Packers and Aaron Rodgers agree on 3 yr 150 mill

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Nice try. You must mean the same clues they had when everybody passed on Aaron Rodgers.
I don't remember exactly where the Packers drafted Jackson other than that it was the second round. And I don't recall any reports that he was considered a first round guy, it seemed most had him pegged for round two. He just didn't pan out. Who knows why?

And if I recall he was a pretty big guy without very flexible hips. He wasn't gonna run a receiver down like a Stokes or Alexander. But at the time he was drafted, there weren't many complaints. Just the opposite.
 

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I don't remember exactly where the Packers drafted Jackson other than that it was the second round. And I don't recall any reports that he was considered a first round guy, it seemed most had him pegged for round two. He just didn't pan out. Who knows why?

And if I recall he was a pretty big guy without very flexible hips. He wasn't gonna run a receiver down like a Stokes or Alexander. But at the time he was drafted, there weren't many complaints. Just the opposite.
Packers picked him with the 45th pick of the draft, so mid 2nd round. He was actually showing up in a lot of mocks as potentially going in the first round.

I have to admit, I thought he was over-rated to be considered a 1st rounder, but figured he might have been a decent pick for the Packers in the 2nd. He wasn't, he struggled and didn't even finish his rookie contract with the Packers. Thus, he was a bust and a bad pick, no better way to describe him. When someone says "he just didn't work out for the Packers", I disagree. He didn't work out for 3 NFL teams, that is a second round bust IMO.
 

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Those are good points. The field was in lousy shape and that affects all players. Given Adams' skill at getting open, he simply may have been the best option for most of the night.
I'm not so sure I buy the explanation, because it at least seemed like Rodgers was throwing to a double covered Adams quite a bit. The infuriating thing is that the 49ers secondary was not highly rated, and we were expected to dominate them. If it's true that the field slowed things down enough that they were able to cover our receivers, then that's another case where the home field advantage apparently hurt us, instead of helped.
 

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I don't care if he didn't work out for 32 teams, I still make a distinction of picking a player that there are clear red flags for and having it blow up on you and a guy where he just doesn't make the transition to the pros despite most thinking he will. Put his stats and tape up every year and scouts for almost ever team will have him rated fairly highly. A highly rated player taken in the mid 2nd round is kind of a no brainer. He didn't have work ethic questions, attitude ?'s immaturity issues, criminal complaints etc. He had 1 knock and that was he was a 1 year starter his junior year, but a heck of a year it was. Everything else seemed to fall in line as showing he was a top part of the draft guy to take.

Picking someone with all world talent, but beats on his ladies in college because he thinks he's the BMOC and can get away with it would qualify as a "bad pick" when he gets to the NFL and starts punching hookers in the hotel on road trips. Picking a guy that has work ethic questions and he gets to the NFL and decides to say "screw it" i made some money is a bad pick to me.
 

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I'm not so sure I buy the explanation, because it at least seemed like Rodgers was throwing to a double covered Adams quite a bit. The infuriating thing is that the 49ers secondary was not highly rated, and we were expected to dominate them. If it's true that the field slowed things down enough that they were able to cover our receivers, then that's another case where the home field advantage apparently hurt us, instead of helped.
There was more going on than the 2ndary and the field. When we could run and pass we moved the ball fairly well. When Dillon went down and Jones was our rusher and leading pass catcher, he's not built for that and we stalled when he went out.

Our Oline couldn't block anything. They didn't honor anything downfield because they knew we didn't have time. They were coming up and crushing everything underneath and just waiting on it. Had Dillon not gone out and we could have kept a pounding run game going or at least the threat of it and blocked just a bit better and hit some bigger passes the game would have gone much differently.

As it stood, it probably wasn't that difficult for the 9ers to play defense in the 2nd half against us. It all started up front, I think that's where it ends for the most part too. next in line would be the loss of dillon.
 

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Packers picked him with the 45th pick of the draft, so mid 2nd round. He was actually showing up in a lot of mocks as potentially going in the first round.

I have to admit, I thought he was over-rated to be considered a 1st rounder, but figured he might have been a decent pick for the Packers in the 2nd. He wasn't, he struggled and didn't even finish his rookie contract with the Packers. Thus, he was a bust and a bad pick, no better way to describe him. When someone says "he just didn't work out for the Packers", I disagree. He didn't work out for 3 NFL teams, that is a second round bust IMO.
Yeah he was a second round bust. He had that big year at Iowa and climbed the boards quickly. 45th is pretty high. It happens, it's just that it happened to the Packers twice with Quentin Rollins. I think he was a round 2 guy as well.
 

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I'm not so sure I buy the explanation, because it at least seemed like Rodgers was throwing to a double covered Adams quite a bit. The infuriating thing is that the 49ers secondary was not highly rated, and we were expected to dominate them. If it's true that the field slowed things down enough that they were able to cover our receivers, then that's another case where the home field advantage apparently hurt us, instead of helped.
Yeah but if anything I'd expect a sloppy field to be a slight advantage for the offense in that they know where they're going. It's just harder for a CB to recover on a sloppy field. And the Niners secondary was suspect. Just a bad loss all around. And so much for that "Lambeau in January" advantage.
There was more going on than the 2ndary and the field. When we could run and pass we moved the ball fairly well. When Dillon went down and Jones was our rusher and leading pass catcher, he's not built for that and we stalled when he went out.

Our Oline couldn't block anything. They didn't honor anything downfield because they knew we didn't have time. They were coming up and crushing everything underneath and just waiting on it. Had Dillon not gone out and we could have kept a pounding run game going or at least the threat of it and blocked just a bit better and hit some bigger passes the game would have gone much differently.

As it stood, it probably wasn't that difficult for the 9ers to play defense in the 2nd half against us. It all started up front, I think that's where it ends for the most part too. next in line would be the loss of dillon.
Good point, I forgot about Dillon. He broke a rib(s) didn't he? He was much better built for those conditions than Jones.
 

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The NFC North is terrible. Rodgers can get on the same page with rookies during the regular season and the packers should still win the division easily. The coaches have shown they don’t want to play Rodgers in PS and I’m fine with that.
 

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There was more going on than the 2ndary and the field. When we could run and pass we moved the ball fairly well. When Dillon went down and Jones was our rusher and leading pass catcher, he's not built for that and we stalled when he went out.
Yeah, maybe we win that game if Dillon didn't get hurt. And/or if the OL was healthy. Bad luck all around.
 
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Yeah, maybe we win that game if Dillon didn't get hurt. And/or if the OL was healthy. Bad luck all around.
Our OL was near decimated last year.
Now Ok. We did an good job considering. But I mean considering.

The last 2 playoff exits were good examples of how impactful the OL is as a cohesive unit. I’ll never forget that happening to Matt Ryan a few years ago and Atlanta just spiraled out of control with an OL that was decimated.

OL succumbs to serious injuries nearly every season. You almost need to pre-plan for that early by being OL heavy in talent. That’s true even more as you get an older QB and especially sure as you invest league high $$ in that QB.
 

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He didn't pan out for the Packers, Giants or Chiefs and is still a Free Agent. I wouldn't say he didn't pan out, he was a very bad pick in the second round.

What part of the Love situation was foreseeable? Both players were drafted high in the draft, with the hope that someday they would start. Love is still on the team and from what I know, the Packers haven't closed the window on him yet. Which is why I said "At this point" Jackson was a bigger drafting mistake than Love.

We‘ve been over this … do you really want to do it again? The Packers had a Hall of fame QB playing for them.. I’m not going to entertain the nonsense that he was on tne decline. You know the reality. So … they decided that after going to the NFCCG that that was a good time to trade up in the first round and draft a QB. Many of us choked when that happened… and predicted that what has transpired would. That’s what I call foreseeable. Josh Jackson was a miss… but at the time everyone thought he was a steal where he was drafted….. not forseeable.
 

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Packers picked him with the 45th pick of the draft, so mid 2nd round. He was actually showing up in a lot of mocks as potentially going in the first round.

I have to admit, I thought he was over-rated to be considered a 1st rounder, but figured he might have been a decent pick for the Packers in the 2nd. He wasn't, he struggled and didn't even finish his rookie contract with the Packers. Thus, he was a bust and a bad pick, no better way to describe him. When someone says "he just didn't work out for the Packers", I disagree. He didn't work out for 3 NFL teams, that is a second round bust IMO.
nobody is saying he wasn’t a bust… he clearly was… but when I think of a bad pick… I am judging the pick itself not the result. At the time nobody was questioning the wisdom of that pick… that can’t be said for Love.
 
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Those are good points. The field was in lousy shape and that affects all players. Given Adams' skill at getting open, he simply may have been the best option for most of the night.

Adams was by far the best option for Rodgers to throw to all season. It's not surprising he targeted him more often than anybody else. In addition a lot of fans act as if it didn't work vs. the Niners when in reality Rodgers had only two incompletion when throwing to Adams all game long. It's true he should have targeted someone else on the team's last offensive play but it happens that even the best quarterback in the league misses open receivers.

Interesting point about Jones. And as Sunshine pointed out, maybe Adams (and Jones now) were the only guys getting open. And credit has to go to the Niners'
D, especially their D Line. Those guys can stop the run and get after the QB, even in lousy conditions. And unfortunately, the Packers'OL was playing without Bakh and without Jenkins. I don't remember if Myers played but the OL was nowhere near full strength. And that would have limited Rodgers' options.

Myers played all snaps vs. the Niners but there's no doubt the offensive line was severely banged up in that game.

I'm not so sure I buy the explanation, because it at least seemed like Rodgers was throwing to a double covered Adams quite a bit. The infuriating thing is that the 49ers secondary was not highly rated, and we were expected to dominate them.

Once again, Rodgers was 18-of-21 for 219 yards when targeting Adams and Jones in the playoff game vs. the Niners while 2-of-6 for six yards throwing to someone else. In addition Lewis lost a fumble on one of those two completions. So please tell me how much better would the offense have fared if he spread the ball around more often???
 

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nobody is saying he wasn’t a bust… he clearly was… but when I think of a bad pick… I am judging the pick itself not the result. At the time nobody was questioning the wisdom of that pick… that can’t be said for Love.
I guess I look at what the final results of a pick are, since I have no idea what the full logic behind that pick was, before I fully grade it. Criticizing someone's logic, when you don't actually fully know what it was, is just a guessing game, as well as a battle of opinions. We can say "Man, I don't understand that pick". However to say "that was a bad pick", before the players has even stepped foot in Green Bay, seems like you are jumping to conclusions way too early.

Many pretend to know why Love or any player for that matter, was picked or shouldn't have been picked. Why was Gary picked? We had just signed 2 expensive free agents at his position. Why was Rodgers picked? We had Favre. After a draft, we will see people that don't like a particular pick, begin to list all the reasons they feel it was a bad pick. Many did that with Love and they continue to do so today, despite the fact that he has played very little. Sighting that we lost out on improving the team, by picking him, is guessing. That assumes the player picked would have helped the team. It also assumes that Love couldn't help the team during his time in Green Bay. Who did we miss out on when Gary or Rodgers were drafted? Would they have improved the team more than Gary or Rodgers did?

We now have 2 years of information on Love, but the process of grading the pick is still ongoing for me. In retrospect, is it trending towards a busted pick? Maybe, since Rodgers didn't retire, force a trade and is still playing well. However, I am still going to wait and see how it all plays out, before I declare Love a bad pick.
 

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And never saw a glimpse of the ball after. Was that some sort of payback?
He's lucky if he saw a pass a game all year, i'd say it was the norm. I'm surprised it took him this long to fumble though. We all love it when the big old TE makes a catch and breaks some tackles, but all year long he was hold that ball out and windmilling around with it when running and it finally caught up to him at the worst moment.
 

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He isnt going to work outs

how will new WR get on same page?

ISNT
 
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He is it going to attend mini camp

how will new WR get on same page?
Are you asking that rhetorically longtime, or do you believe Rodgers will be at minicamp? I agree the more time he gets with the new WRs, the better. But Rodgers isn't inclined to go with the flow........

He'll be there at TC and will get work with the WRs then, at a minimum. I doubt if he'll take any PS snaps.
 

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He isnit going to work outs

how will new WR get on same page?
It doesn't concern me that much. These WR's have so much on their plate when they first arrive. Where everything is, how to move around the building, the process etc. and right next to that is learn the playbook. They aren't going to know anything enough to start working with Rodgers where it's going to do any good. I have zero problems letting them get their feet under them and I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference if Rodgers is there for an OTA or not.
 

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Did someone hear that he wasn't reporting reporting to the OTA's in May? Except for last year, when he was contemplating his future, I don't think he has ever missed them. So curious why people are saying he will be a no show this year?
 

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I thought I heard already that he didn't plan on being here for OTA's, but it doesn't bother me if he isn't and it's cool if he is so I never really bothered to check on the validity when I heard it.
 

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The Packers will kick off their 2022 offseason program on April 18, and when they do, they'll likely be without star quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The reigning MVP is expected to skip the voluntary meetings and workouts ahead of June's mandatory minicamp, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.5 hours ago
 

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It doesn't concern me that much. These WR's have so much on their plate when they first arrive. Where everything is, how to move around the building, the process etc. and right next to that is learn the playbook. They aren't going to know anything enough to start working with Rodgers where it's going to do any good. I have zero problems letting them get their feet under them and I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference if Rodgers is there for an OTA or not.
This is the best explanation I've seen for why work with Rodgers and the rookie WRs isn't that important early on. They're entering a whole new world. And these are still just young college guys. They have to grow up fast and I'm sure in GB they have protocols to make sure that happens with a minimum of trouble.
 

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And never saw a glimpse of the ball after. Was that some sort of payback?
Rodgers decided he couldn't trust him any more.

He isnit going to work outs

how will new WR get on same page?

The good news is that as soon as Rodgers does show up he will trust the new guys right away because they will be high round picks.
 
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