Packers and Aaron Rodgers agree on 3 yr 150 mill

[OldSchool101]

I see Judging love the same way I see judging Rodgers as GOAT before he’s even finished his career. That makes zero sense to me. If #12 Won another SB while in Green Bay? his fan ranking would soar. Yet if he can’t get past a Divisional? He’ll just be known as a pure passer who couldn’t lead his team in big games. Only could be Carried by a top Defense. (possibly even a total waste of talent).

Love comes into the NFL extremely raw. He played just 2.5 seasons in College and hit on a Covid season his Rookie year. So he’s basically got 1 season in the NFL (zero games played in 2020, not even 1 preseason contest). Is that his fault? According to several posters it is. So much so they include that season in his performance portfolio. He DIDNT EVEN PLAY!!

As bad as everyone said Love was last year, he didn’t exactly play behind the most stout OL. That same OL made Jones and Dillon look mediocre at best , they should be a top 5 rushing Duo EASY!

If we judged Aaron Rodgers by his first start in 2021? He looks absolutely awful to the point of GRADE F-

I think Love (19/34 190 1TD 1INT) looked better than Aaron in his first start 2021, especially considering what they make in $$$$. Rodgers looked so bad he should’ve refunded 1/17th of his annual
15/28 133? 2INT???

In the the first start plus shared game they played..tell me who’s who. I’d send them both packing for a late Day 3 selection

29/46 271 2TD 2INT

29/51 324 2TD 3INT

 

[Voyageur]

A quick note to people who look at pics and say that Rodgers didn't throw to guys that are open. It's two to four frames earlier, when the decision to where the ball will go is what matters. A QB needs to sense that the guy will be open at a specific point on the field at the time that he throws the ball. If he isn't comfortable that will happen, he'll choose another target, that he knows will be where he should be, and is more confident that it won't lead to a turnover.

This is where the question of confidence in the receiver comes in. Either the QB knows exactly where that guy is going to be when the ball gets there, or he throws it to someone else, or throws it away, if he's smart.

Also, please remember that the QB isn't benefiting from seeing it in a still picture from above. He's seeing what's out in front of him, with various bodies, and actions occurring.

 

[kevans74]

I mean, I think it's just talent with TT...

May he RIP, he had talent for sure. His later years he had some questionable decisions for sure but he was underrepresented for what he did in his earlier years with us. Built a helluva roster

Not even WRs, but how about Nick Collins, Finley(again), TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Morgan Burnett, Mike Daniels, Linsley and Tretter, etc .. lots of good picks in the later rounds....

**Should say "underappreciated" and NOT "underrepresented"

Sorry, damn autocorrect. And yeah I'm super picky about grammar like that

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's all about winning. There are no awards for the best drafter, or the best acquirer in FA. It comes down to building a cohesive team starting each year with 90 different personalities and motivations, honing that to 53, and then maintaining it or improving it for the rest of the season. That's why the job of GM and HC are best separated. It's not that one person shouldn't do both jobs, it's that they can't - or at least not very well.

So if it's all about winning, you have to be pretty happy with MLF and Gute? They have won a lot of games.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A quick note to people who look at pics and say that Rodgers didn't throw to guys that are open. It's two to four frames earlier, when the decision to where the ball will go is what matters. A QB needs to sense that the guy will be open at a specific point on the field at the time that he throws the ball. If he isn't comfortable that will happen, he'll choose another target, that he knows will be where he should be, and is more confident that it won't lead to a turnover.

This is where the question of confidence in the receiver comes in. Either the QB knows exactly where that guy is going to be when the ball gets there, or he throws it to someone else, or throws it away, if he's smart.

Also, please remember that the QB isn't benefiting from seeing it in a still picture from above. He's seeing what's out in front of him, with various bodies, and actions occurring.

Yup, but they still don't listen!

I really wish FOX would put a cam on the side of the QB's helmet. That way all these arm chair QB's could see just what the QB is seeing, at full speed. These Monday morning, frame by frame from an overhead camera analysts drive me nuts.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So if it's all about winning, you have to be pretty happy with MLF and Gute? They have won a lot of games.

Absolutely. The playoffs have been a disappointment, and the biggest area to improve.

I think any fan base would be pretty happy with 39 wins in 3 years. Week to week, it's reasonable to expect the Packers to win.

Are they gonna win another 13 this year? I don't know. They have to find some quality receivers, for starters.

 

[longtimefan]

I see Judging love the same way I see judging Rodgers as GOAT before he’s even finished his career. That makes zero sense to me. If #12 Won another SB while in Green Bay? his fan ranking would soar. Yet if he can’t get past a Divisional? He’ll just be known as a pure passer who couldn’t lead his team in big games. Only could be Carried by a top Defense. (possibly even a total waste of talent).

Love comes into the NFL extremely raw. He played just 2.5 seasons in College and hit on a Covid season his Rookie year. So he’s basically got 1 season in the NFL (zero games played in 2020, not even 1 preseason contest). Is that his fault? According to several posters it is. So much so they include that season in his performance portfolio. He DIDNT EVEN PLAY!!

As bad as everyone said Love was last year, he didn’t exactly play behind the most stout OL. That same OL made Jones and Dillon look mediocre at best , they should be a top 5 rushing Duo EASY!

If we judged Aaron Rodgers by his first start in 2021? He looks absolutely awful to the point of GRADE F-

I think Love (19/34 190 1TD 1INT) looked better than Aaron in his first start 2021, especially considering what they make in $$$$. Rodgers looked so bad he should’ve refunded 1/17th of his annual
15/28 133? 2INT???

In the the first start plus shared game they played..tell me who’s who. I’d send them both packing for a late Day 3 selection

29/46 271 2TD 2INT

29/51 324 2TD 3INT

Stop with the logic

jezzzzz

 

[Voyageur]

Yup, but they still don't listen!

I really wish FOX would put a cam on the side of the QB's helmet. That way all these arm chair QB's could see just what the QB is seeing, at full speed. These Monday morning, frame by frame from an overhead camera analysts drive me nuts.

They don't listen because they're fans, who've never played the position, or understand the game at a level other than watching it. Even those who have played the game, but have never ran routes, nor played QB, don't understand it.

Rodgers is the least intercepted QB in history for good reason. He sees the field as good, if not better, than anyone else ever has. If you see a random play here and there where he "screwed up," it's a far cry from the mistakes so many others make more often. He doesn't throw the ball into danger, hoping for the best, unless it's a total necessity.

I'm not a Rodgers fan. I think he's a jerk. But I also know that my opinion of him as a person should never taint what I see of him as a talent on the field. If people can't separate the two in their minds, and want to nit pick his game based on his off field persona, their opinion means nothing. They aren't realistic.

Rodgers, at a 1.3% INT ratio is the best in the history of the league. Mahomes is #2, and 1.6. Brady is at 1.8, in a tie for 5th.

Rest assured, if you take still pics of either of their games, you'll find "missed opportunities" as well. They're always going to be highly visible in still photos, but are considered a tool for coaches and QBs to improve their "reads" so they can see where they can use that same situation better if and when it happens again.

 

[sschind]

A quick note to people who look at pics and say that Rodgers didn't throw to guys that are open. It's two to four frames earlier, when the decision to where the ball will go is what matters. A QB needs to sense that the guy will be open at a specific point on the field at the time that he throws the ball. If he isn't comfortable that will happen, he'll choose another target, that he knows will be where he should be, and is more confident that it won't lead to a turnover.

This is where the question of confidence in the receiver comes in. Either the QB knows exactly where that guy is going to be when the ball gets there, or he throws it to someone else, or throws it away, if he's smart.

Also, please remember that the QB isn't benefiting from seeing it in a still picture from above. He's seeing what's out in front of him, with various bodies, and actions occurring.

Not only that but a lot of these stills show the wide open guy 2 or 3 frames after the ball is released so that's 5 or 6 or more frames after the decision on where to throw is made.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not only that but a lot of these stills show the wide open guy 2 or 3 frames after the ball is released so that's 5 or 6 or more frames after the decision on where to throw is made.

Oh come on, stop using more facts to support the claim that even the great Aaron Rodgers doesn't have birds eye, slow motion vision, while knowing what will happen seconds into the future!

 

[Heyjoe4]

I see Judging love the same way I see judging Rodgers as GOAT before he’s even finished his career. That makes zero sense to me. If #12 Won another SB while in Green Bay? his fan ranking would soar. Yet if he can’t get past a Divisional? He’ll just be known as a pure passer who couldn’t lead his team in big games. Only could be Carried by a top Defense. (possibly even a total waste of talent).

Love comes into the NFL extremely raw. He played just 2.5 seasons in College and hit on a Covid season his Rookie year. So he’s basically got 1 season in the NFL (zero games played in 2020, not even 1 preseason contest). Is that his fault? According to several posters it is. So much so they include that season in his performance portfolio. He DIDNT EVEN PLAY!!

As bad as everyone said Love was last year, he didn’t exactly play behind the most stout OL. That same OL made Jones and Dillon look mediocre at best , they should be a top 5 rushing Duo EASY!

If we judged Aaron Rodgers by his first start in 2021? He looks absolutely awful to the point of GRADE F-

I think Love (19/34 190 1TD 1INT) looked better than Aaron in his first start 2021, especially considering what they make in $$$$. Rodgers looked so bad he should’ve refunded 1/17th of his annual
15/28 133? 2INT???

In the the first start plus shared game they played..tell me who’s who. I’d send them both packing for a late Day 3 selection

29/46 271 2TD 2INT

29/51 324 2TD 3INT

I get the logic behind your argument. And didn't Rodgers break a foot in a very early pre-season game, and we instantly labeled him injury-prone? And his first year was kinda underwhelming. I first knew he was the real thing in that playoff shootout loss to the Cardinals. He put up 50 plus points (and yes lost the game by fumbling), but the future looked bright.

And yes, Jones and Dillon would have had better years last year if the OL could have consistently opened lanes or held the edge, Good point. That has to get fixed this year.

With the Love pick, Gluten sent the message that he thought Rodgers was in decline. Rodgers answered with two MVPs. So Love unfairly bears the brunt of Gluten's misfire, and in a year loaded with WR talent, the fans are mad.

I'm willing to give Love a chance, I'm just not sure he gets one in GB. I think Rodgers can easily play another three years. If that is the case, then I think in fairness, they have to send Love somewhere where he can compete to start. If he were a late round pick, it would be different. But he's a first round pick. He'll deserve more than to hold a clipboard. And if Rodgers calls it quits after this year, then Love gets his chance in GB.

And talk about not rushing to judgement, Davante Adams was a below average WR his first two years. He spent more time arguing with officials than playing. We know how that worked out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Oh come on, stop using more facts to support the claim that even the great Aaron Rodgers doesn't have birds eye, slow motion vision, while knowing what will happen seconds into the future!

It's fun to watch crossing routes from the camera behind the QB. There are so many things that go into a completion (or a decision not to throw) - the speed of the receiver, field conditions including wind, where QB/WR have knowledge of each others' tendencies (that's why rookie WRs get fewer targets).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I know that you and a few other fans seem to really want that to be the case. While that is a distinct possibility, it hasn't fully played out yet.

You're completely wrong about me wanting Love to fail. While I hated the pick, I have been rooting for him to develop into the next HOF quarterback for the Packers since he joined the team.

Gutekunst extending Rodgers through the 2026 season and Love struggling up until now makes me believe that won't happen though.

Actually it's that bad that he most likely won't play any meaningful snaps before leaving for another team.

If it ends up that way there's no doubt that was Gutekunst's biggest mistake.

Messing up round 1 happens (I keep thinking of Tony Mandarich or Ryan Leaf) but it is rare.

There are actually a lot of first rounders not performing up to draft position and expectations. One of them not playing any meaningful snaps at all is a whole different story though.

Like I said, Love very well COULD end up being Gute's worst pick, but do we really know that yet? Those of you speculating that Love is basically a bust, really need to convince me that you know that for sure and how you know it.

I don't know for sure but Rodgers currently being under contract for another five years strongly indicates Love will end up as a bust for the Packers.

I guess that's why you don't judge a pick for several years but even then can you really blame a GM for not seeing that a highly touted player will be a bust. No one has a crystal ball.

There was no need for a crystal ball to figure out trading Love was a terrible idea though.

If Love never takes a meaningful snap for the Packers it won't really affect my grade of Gute if the Packers can win another SB or two in the next few years.

What if the Packers don't win another Super Bowl with Rodgers though???

That's why the job of GM and HC are best separated. It's not that one person shouldn't do both jobs, it's that they can't - or at least not very well.

Bill Belichick might disagree with that point of view.

Love comes into the NFL extremely raw. He played just 2.5 seasons in College and hit on a Covid season his Rookie year. So he’s basically got 1 season in the NFL (zero games played in 2020, not even 1 preseason contest). Is that his fault? According to several posters it is. So much so they include that season in his performance portfolio. He DIDNT EVEN PLAY!!

Tyler Hundley, who went undrafted, proved it's possible for a backup quarterback that turned pro in 2020 to look ready to start in the NFL by now.

As bad as everyone said Love was last year, he didn’t exactly play behind the most stout OL. That same OL made Jones and Dillon look mediocre at best , they should be a top 5 rushing Duo EASY!

Rodgers made that offensive line like an elite unit though.

So if it's all about winning, you have to be pretty happy with MLF and Gute? They have won a lot of games.

True, unfortunately not the most important ones though.

I'm willing to give Love a chance, I'm just not sure he gets one in GB. I think Rodgers can easily play another three years. If that is the case, then I think in fairness, they have to send Love somewhere where he can compete to start. If he were a late round pick, it would be different. But he's a first round pick. He'll deserve more than to hold a clipboard. And if Rodgers calls it quits after this year, then Love gets his chance in GB.

The Packers don't owe Love the chance to compete for a starting job with another team. If they consider him the best option to backup Rodgers in 2023 they should hold on to him. He will get a chance to decide on his future in '24.

And talk about not rushing to judgement, Davante Adams was a below average WR his first two years. He spent more time arguing with officials than playing. We know how that worked out.

Adams still had an impact as a rookie, being a huge part of wins against the Patriots and the playoff game against the Cowboys.

 

[sschind]

There was no need for a crystal ball to figure out trading Love was a terrible idea though.

Trading Love? he hasn't been traded yet. Trading up for Love? No one knew he wasn't going to progress as some thought he might and no one knew Rodgers was going to shake of his "decline" and win back to back MVPs. That would have taken a crystal ball. It was a personal opinion at the time that trading up was a terrible idea. It still is although the past two seasons are making it look more and more likely.

What if the Packers don't win another Super Bowl with Rodgers though???

That depends. If they are in the running for the SB the next few years its not going to affect my grade much at all. A GMs job is to build a team that competes for the SB every year. Gute has done that, or, like I said, he has at least maintained one. One draft pick even if it turns out to be a bad one isn't going to affect the way I grade the GM as long as his team is still competitive. If they drop into oblivion for the next 5 years until he is fired and it can be traced back to picking Jordan Love I'll be a bit more critical of the pick.

 

[OldSchool101]

Tyler Hundley, who went undrafted, proved it's possible for a backup quarterback that turned pro in 2020 to look ready to start in the NFL by now.

Tyler Hundley is successful in the NFL?
Isn’t that the guy that went
1 Win 3 Losses
in 4 starts had 3 TD and 4 INT?

For a guy who harps on INT ratio being such an important facet of a young players game, he would’ve been the last QB comparison I expected.

1 start and Love is being written off as the worst selection ever in the history of football.
I’m in agreement it was a premature move there, but it is what it is. We can root for him to succeed? Or root for him to fail. I might not like the position selection, but if he has a 5% chance of turning on the juice I’m totally on board. I’d love for our #2 QB to rip up preseason with some top college Wideouts. That’d actually be fun to watch. I hope we get a burner WR whereas he can show off his arm.

 

[Schultz]

There are other teams in the NFL besides the Packers. I am absolutely positive he was referring to Tyler Huntley from the Baltimore Ravens.

 

[OldSchool101]

There are other teams in the NFL besides the Packers. I am absolutely positive he was referring to Tyler Huntley from the Baltimore Ravens.

Of course he was. Who did you think we were talking about Brett ?

 

[rmontro]

Trading Love? he hasn't been traded yet. Trading up for Love? No one knew he wasn't going to progress as some thought he might and no one knew Rodgers was going to shake of his "decline" and win back to back MVPs.

i don't support the pick myself. But looking at intangibles, maybe the Love pick was the motivation Rodgers needed to shake off his "decline" and win back to back MVPs. Maybe without the Love pick that doesn't happen.

 

[OldSchool101]

i don't support the pick myself. But looking at intangibles, maybe the Love pick was the motivation Rodgers needed to shake off his "decline" and win back to back MVPs. Maybe without the Love pick that doesn't happen.

I’ve said that all along. Rodgers is just the type to be motivated by Love. There’s no question in my mind it elevated his game some. Also I find it curious that as soon as MM is out and MLF is in? He soars.

This is just my opinion. But I believe #12 is motivated by his ultra competitive ego. Anything that threatens that?
Big time motivation.

We just need to harness that ego
I’d spend a 7th Rounder on a Psych Major who can really dig under his skin and get to the root cause of his pain Use info that to get his very best play

 

[kevans74]

I’ve said that all along. Rodgers is just the type to be motivated by Love. There’s no question in my mind it elevated his game some. Also I find it curious that as soon as MM is out and MLF is in? He soars.

This is just my opinion. But I believe #12 is motivated by his ultra competitive ego. Anything that threatens that?
Big time motivation.

We just need to harness that ego
I’d spend a 7th Rounder on a Psych Major who can really dig under his skin and get to the root cause of his pain Use info that to get his very best play

To be 100% fair on AR, it's the SAME thing with us and our professions/jobs/lives/etc, is it not?

You gain experience, relationships, etc to lead a division of a company for your own ego....

You start, co found or lead a young start up or upstart company to accomplish something, beat your old company, make more money/get acquired or whatever for your own ego ...

You meet the younger, more attractive female to date/see/sleep with or whatever for your own ego.... Aaron has done this too already with Danica and Shailene

So why not just "stay put" at what you were at? Had AR, never had a 2020 or 2021 season, he would already be a first ballot Hall of Famer anyway....

I think everyone has an ego, "reasoning" and needs a "fire" to give that extra push anyway

 

[rmontro]

This is just my opinion. But I believe #12 is motivated by his ultra competitive ego. Anything that threatens that?
Big time motivation.

We just need to harness that ego

Maybe we should have spent a few weeks chanting "Rodgers can't beat the 49ers" this season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Trading Love? he hasn't been traded yet. Trading up for Love?

You should know me well enough by now that I'm aware the Packers haven't traded Love and figured out it was obviously a typo and that I meant to write drafted.

No one knew he wasn't going to progress as some thought he might and no one knew Rodgers was going to shake of his "decline" and win back to back MVPs. That would have taken a crystal ball. It was a personal opinion at the time that trading up was a terrible idea. It still is although the past two seasons are making it look more and more likely.

In my opinion Gutekunst trading up in the first round to select a quarterback after the team made it to the NFCCG the previous season should have been considered a terrible idea from the get-go. The team had much more pressing needs to address at that point.

That depends. If they are in the running for the SB the next few years its not going to affect my grade much at all. A GMs job is to build a team that competes for the SB every year. Gute has done that, or, like I said, he has at least maintained one. One draft pick even if it turns out to be a bad one isn't going to affect the way I grade the GM as long as his team is still competitive. If they drop into oblivion for the next 5 years until he is fired and it can be traced back to picking Jordan Love I'll be a bit more critical of the pick.

At some point a general manager needs to put together a team that wins a Super Bowl while having the best quarterback in the league. In addition Gutekunst shouldn't be evaluated until he hasn't had the benefit of a HOF QB starting but the one he picked to be Rodgers' successor.

Tyler Hundley is successful in the NFL?
Isn’t that the guy that went
1 Win 3 Losses
in 4 starts had 3 TD and 4 INT?

For a guy who harps on INT ratio being such an important facet of a young players game, he would’ve been the last QB comparison I expected.

Did you watch Huntley play last season??? He looked significantly better than Love.

1 start and Love is being written off as the worst selection ever in the history of football.
I’m in agreement it was a premature move there, but it is what it is. We can root for him to succeed? Or root for him to fail. I might not like the position selection, but if he has a 5% chance of turning on the juice I’m totally on board.

Nobody has suggested anything like that but that he was the worst selection of Gutekunst's tenure as the team's general manager. With that being said I'm rooting for Love to develop into the team's next Hall of Famer at the position. The early returns aren't promising though.

i don't support the pick myself. But looking at intangibles, maybe the Love pick was the motivation Rodgers needed to shake off his "decline" and win back to back MVPs. Maybe without the Love pick that doesn't happen.

I think that's utter BS.

I’ve said that all along. Rodgers is just the type to be motivated by Love. There’s no question in my mind it elevated his game some. Also I find it curious that as soon as MM is out and MLF is in? He soars.

Rodgers didn't perform up to potential in his first season in MLF's scheme. It took him until the second one to play at an MVP level.

 

[longtimefan]

I’ve said that all along. Rodgers is just the type to be motivated by Love. There’s no question in my mind it elevated his game some. Also I find it curious that as soon as MM is out and MLF is in? He soars.

This is just my opinion. But I believe #12 is motivated by his ultra competitive ego. Anything that threatens that?
Big time motivation.

We just need to harness that ego
I’d spend a 7th Rounder on a Psych Major who can really dig under his skin and get to the root cause of his pain Use info that to get his very best play

A lot of people are in that boat

Subconsciously it had to be there

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A lot of people are in that boat

Subconsciously it had to be there

Right, but it does not fit the narrative of "Love was a horrible pick", so some will not acknowledge that it is even a possibility. Given Rodgers ultra competitive personality, I can't see how it didn't motivate him. There is just nothing to verify it either way, unless Rodgers some day acknowledges it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

You should know me well enough by now that I'm aware the Packers haven't traded Love and figured out it was obviously a typo and that I meant to write drafted.



In my opinion Gutekunst trading up in the first round to select a quarterback after the team made it to the NFCCG the previous season should have been considered a terrible idea from the get-go. The team had much more pressing needs to address at that point.



At some point a general manager needs to put together a team that wins a Super Bowl while having the best quarterback in the league. In addition Gutekunst shouldn't be evaluated until he hasn't had the benefit of a HOF QB starting but the one he picked to be Rodgers' successor.



Did you watch Huntley play last season??? He looked significantly better than Love.



Nobody has suggested anything like that but that he was the worst selection of Gutekunst's tenure as the team's general manager. With that being said I'm rooting for Love to develop into the team's next Hall of Famer at the position. The early returns aren't promising though.



I think that's utter BS.



Rodgers didn't perform up to potential in his first season in MLF's scheme. It took him until the second one to play at an MVP level.

The idea that the Love pick motivated Rodgers to two consecutive MVPs is nuts. Getting rid of MM, taking advantage of Rodgers wealth of knowledge about the game, adding two stud RBs, and making great in-season adjustments is what got them to the #1 seed. Oh and that guy named Davante helped a bit......... OK he helped a lot but we knew that. And Gluten really did disrespect Rodgers. Rodgers overreacted, but I get his point and now that is in the past.

So fix the receiver room, or get it to 75% of where it needs to be, and I think the kids will be all right. Rodgers will have to be more patient - he can't afford to get frustrated. I think MLF will help.

As for Love, I'm sick of hearing about him. Barring a miracle, he'll be gone in two years. For now, he is the best backup GB has - well, as long as they don't actually need him in a game..........