Official week 5 thread: Off the London to "host" NY Giants

[milani]

These London games seem to be weird.

Hope the Packers are focused right away. I also hope LaFleur bakes in some lighter practice loads this week, with travel and all involved.

The fresher team mentally and physically will have a bigger advantage than normal. No reason why the Packers should take care of business, but....

I also hope no one catches anything else on the trip.....Except the football.

 

[tynimiller]

Barnes cannot be eligible to play until week 6 against the Jets.

Yup, completely spaced that to be honest. Feel dumb having done so. There goes that concept LOL

IF healthy I wouldn't be surprised if when he is back we see him out there in run heavy situations.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Barnes cannot be eligible to play until week 6 against the Jets.

Thanks Krabs. I hope he's healed. He can certainly help with run defense.

 

[weeds]

Good idea except I leave for work next Sunday at 1pm. Food production doesn't stop for anything but Christmas and Super Bowl.

Oh I hear you. I don't like to drink when it's light outside. Coming from a long sidelined bar manager, that's saying something.

 

[JKramer64]

Packers are 8 point favorites. I think that's ridiculously high. I think it should be about 3. I fear this will be another close game down the stretch decided by a late TD or FG. Saquon Barkley scares the hell out of me. He's a home run hitter like Aaron Jones. Run defense will decide this game.

 

[OldSchool101]

The Giants possess a Good Defense overall that gives up yards and hold opponents to low point totals. NY will give up Rushing yards, but stymie teams in the Redzone (sound familiar?) However, while the Giants Run the ball very effectively, they have virtually no passing game.

Green Bay is a more balanced Offensive team (16th passing-7th rushing) with the ability to Run or Pass, whereas the Giants are a mostly 1-dimensional running attack (passing 31st-rushing 1st)
We also both played Chicago and Won: GB (27-10) 414 yards-228 yards; Giants (20-12) 333 yards to 304 yards

I see GB as a smidge better in all 3 phases thus far, but the Giants have 3 Wins for a reason also. The Giants strength is the Packers weakness, so it will be interesting to see how Barry game plans this one. It's probably either a Win by 14 or a loss by 3 etc.. I don't think there is anything in between.

GB 23 Giants 17

 

[milani]

The Giants possess a Good Defense overall that gives up yards and hold opponents to low point totals. NY will give up Rushing yards, but stymie teams in the Redzone (sound familiar?) However, while the Giants Run the ball very effectively, they have virtually no passing game.

Green Bay is a more balanced Offensive team with the ability to Run or Pass, whereas the Giants are a mostly 1-dimensional running attack.
We also both played Chicago and Won: GB (27-10) 228 yards-414 yards ; Giants (20-12) 304 yards -333 yards.

I see GB as a smidge better in all 3 phases thus far, but the Giants have 3 Wins for a reason also.

GB 23 Giants 17

Yes. The Giants have managed to stay in games this year. Even the Cowboy game was close until the 4th quarter. Past Giants teams turned the ball over. If we can do that we can get some of those points and force them to keep throwing.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Packers are 8 point favorites. I think that's ridiculously high. I think it should be about 3. I fear this will be another close game down the stretch decided by a late TD or FG. Saquon Barkley scares the hell out of me. He's a home run hitter like Aaron Jones. Run defense will decide this game.

Agree. The Packers can shut down stud RBs when they have a plan. They've done it in the past with far less talented defenses. They should look at film from when they've stopped guys like Elliot and Cook and Henry. Take away Barkley and control the game.

And yeah, 8 points is crazy. It's played at a neutral location. 3 points either way is about right. This is not a gimme. Well this year, there will be no gimmes.

Might as well make a prediction - Packers 24, Giants 20.

 

[Poppa San]

It's probably either a Win by 14 or a loss by 3 etc.. I don't think there is anything in between.

GB 23 Giants 17

After saying it's a 14 point win or close loss, you take the Packers by only 6???

 

[milani]

Agree. The Packers can shut down stud RBs when they have a plan. They've done it in the past with far less talented defenses. They should look at film from when they've stopped guys like Elliot and Cook and Henry. Take away Barkley and control the game.

And yeah, 8 points is crazy. It's played at a neutral location. 3 points either way is about right. This is not a gimme. Well this year, there will be no gimmes.

Might as well make a prediction - Packers 24, Giants 20.

Certainly. We held Dalvin Cook in check this time. And the Giants do not have a passing attack with Cousins, Jefferson, Thielin, and Osborne. So if we play run on early downs we can get them in 2nd and 3rd and long. So the Giants may copy NE. Put 6 O-Linemen, and play fake to catch us napping. Make the QB beat us. He cannot.

 

[OldSchool101]

After saying it's a 14 point win or close loss, you take the Packers by only 6???

yes 14W—3L=11 (split the diff)
5.5 is smack dab in between those 2

Technically, you are right
Packers 22.5 Giants 17

Dont you dare try my Polish math

 

[Krabs]

Looks like Daniel Jones is day to day and trending towards playing. One of his very few assets was his running ability. With a bum ankle I think his redzone option plays are at risk. At the very least, won't work as well. I think the Pack have to stack the box and take their chances that Jones will miss on some passes and toss some INTs.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

The Giants possess a Good Defense overall that gives up yards and hold opponents to low point totals. NY will give up Rushing yards, but stymie teams in the Redzone (sound familiar?) However, while the Giants Run the ball very effectively, they have virtually no passing game.

Green Bay is a more balanced Offensive team (16th passing-7th rushing) with the ability to Run or Pass, whereas the Giants are a mostly 1-dimensional running attack (passing 31st-rushing 1st)
We also both played Chicago and Won: GB (27-10) 414 yards-228 yards; Giants (20-12) 333 yards to 304 yards

I see GB as a smidge better in all 3 phases thus far, but the Giants have 3 Wins for a reason also. The Giants strength is the Packers weakness, so it will be interesting to see how Barry game plans this one. It's probably either a Win by 14 or a loss by 3 etc.. I don't think there is anything in between.

GB 23 Giants 17

I thought you just said it's either a win by 14 or loss by 3 with nothing in between and then you pick the Pack winning by 6.

 

[OldSchool101]

I thought you just said it's either a win by 14 or loss by 3 with nothing in between and then you pick the Pack winning by 6.

I did! That’s life isn’t it?
Totally unexpected!

I once dropped a dime in a stinky toilet and debated going in after it. It just wasn’t worth my while for a measly 10 cent!
So I threw a couple bucks in change in with it and boy did it make it worth my time and energy

 

[Krabs]

So I threw a couple bucks in change in with it and boy did it make it worth my time and energy

We used to throw change in the uranyl to see if people would take it out. We actually started with a dollar. That was always taken. We lowered it and lowered it until is was like $.35. Believe it or not, people would still take it. I now know the strategy people used to justify it.

 

[Poppa San]

This may be a good game to keep all the DL active plus bring up Slayton and Heflin. Leaves you with 2 RBs though. A lot of big bodies available to stay fresh.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Looks like Daniel Jones is day to day and trending towards playing. One of his very few assets was his running ability. With a bum ankle I think his redzone option plays are at risk. At the very least, won't work as well. I think the Pack have to stack the box and take their chances that Jones will miss on some passes and toss some INTs.

Yup and their #2, Tyrod Taylor is still in concussion protocol. Could the Packers be lucky enough to have to face a teams #3 QB 2 games in a row?

I think Jones ends up playing, but that ankle may keep him in the pocket and if that is the case, the Packer defense should contain the Giants offense.

 

[OldSchool101]

I just have this feeling they’ll hold Amos out with an abundance of caution after this weeks focus on concussions. I’m not opposed either.
The trade off is Alexander cleared. That gives us another reason to keep 8 in the box regular.
I like Poppa’s idea about elevating an extra DL and keeping a fresh rotation.

We also signed Eric Wilson and he’s a very experienced LB who had a breakout season in 2020 in MN. He’s really an upgrade to a solid player in Barnes. He also has significant ST experience. It’ll be interesting if he is pushed into play some this game because he’s a very fast, instinctive LB

 

[Voyageur]

I would love to be in London right now. I'd be off for fish and chips. After that, maybe take in the club scene.

 

[tynimiller]

I just have this feeling they’ll hold Amos out with an abundance of caution after this weeks focus on concussions. I’m not opposed either.
The trade off is Alexander cleared. That gives us another reason to keep 8 in the box regular.
I like Poppa’s idea about elevating an extra DL and keeping a fresh rotation.

We also signed Eric Wilson and he’s a very experienced LB who had a breakout season in 2020 in MN. He’s really an upgrade to a solid player in Barnes. He also has significant ST experience. It’ll be interesting if he is pushed into play some this game because he’s a very fast, instinctive LB

Wyatt is questionable...so I too look for an extra DL to be elevated personally.

 

[PackerDNA]

I just have this feeling they’ll hold Amos out with an abundance of caution after this weeks focus on concussions. I’m not opposed either.
The trade off is Alexander cleared. That gives us another reason to keep 8 in the box regular.
I like Poppa’s idea about elevating an extra DL and keeping a fresh rotation.

We also signed Eric Wilson and he’s a very experienced LB who had a breakout season in 2020 in MN. He’s really an upgrade to a solid player in Barnes. He also has significant ST experience. It’ll be interesting if he is pushed into play some this game because he’s a very fast, instinctive LB

I'm actually a bit excited about the Wilson signing. Could be one of those under the radar signings that pay big dividends, like Campbell and Douglas last year.

 

[milani]

I just have this feeling they’ll hold Amos out with an abundance of caution after this weeks focus on concussions. I’m not opposed either.
The trade off is Alexander cleared. That gives us another reason to keep 8 in the box regular.
I like Poppa’s idea about elevating an extra DL and keeping a fresh rotation.

We also signed Eric Wilson and he’s a very experienced LB who had a breakout season in 2020 in MN. He’s really an upgrade to a solid player in Barnes. He also has significant ST experience. It’ll be interesting if he is pushed into play some this game because he’s a very fast, instinctive LB

And Ford can get more PT. Against another team that is not likely to beat you in the passing he will not get tested that way. But he may get some shots at Barkley.

 

[Voyageur]

I'm not all that enthused as of yet, about Ford being out there at safety. But, so far, he's done a decent job.

If he ends up doing a great job until Amos gets back, it's a feather in the cap of those who decided to grab him, because he's also pretty good with special teams.

I can't make any judgement on Eric Wilson. I just haven't seen anything he's done. But, I'll be happy if he does make the grade.

 

[OldSchool101]

And Ford can get more PT. Against another team that is not likely to beat you in the passing he will not get tested that way. But he may get some shots at Barkley.

Sounds about right. Ford led Auburn several seasons in Tackles, so we know it’s absolutely a strength of his. He boasts an incredible 4.34 time (Pro-Day), so keeping up with Saquons impressive 4.4 isn’t a concern.
It takes a village to raise a child and It’s going to take a village to slow down Barkley

 

[OldSchool101]

While the Giants have a stellar Rushing average of 5.8 (#2 behind the Lions)
The average Run D ranking of those 4 teams is #24.75

A story that’s being missed is the Packers Offense is tied for #8 in yards per carry at 5.0
The average Run Defense of those
4 teams is #22.50

So While the Giants Run the ball a ton and are highly successful, the Packers aren’t far behind in success per Rush.

The Packers Run D per attempt is a poor #24 ranked
The Giants Run D per attempt is a lousy #29 ranked

While Everyone’s talking about the Giants Run vs Packers D, very little is being talked about as far GB pounding it across Giants court on our Serve.

The Packers entire Offense is predicated on establishing a successful Running attack and the reason we struggled with Tampa Bay is because they held us to 25/67 (2.7) yards rushing. I fully expect us to Rush for 5+ and do what Dallas did to them or worse