OFFICIAL GIANTS PACKER TALK

[bubblercheez37]

I was at the NYG game against the Packers -- don't kid yourself, if the NYG defense gets it together (like they seem to have done against the Jets), they're the last team in football GB wants to play in the playoffs. Based on the the NYG game against the Packers, the Packers simply cannot stop the Giants offense.

Sorry man, but don't underestamate the home field advantage. I for one can't stand the Packers playing turf. It seems like all the players are on roller skates whenever the game starts. that being said, I have a hard time seeing Nicks or Cruz busting out the big play.

 

[GiantsFan2012]

Just some trash talking my friend like I said before....I'm just saying just because I talk trash doesn't mean I'm a troll.

Please quit it. As I CLEARLY outlined in my original post I am here to objectively discuss the game, that is why I created THIS thread. If you want to talk trash, fine, but do it some where else. Now you're just hijacking my thread and making this a ***** fest about your feelings. Enough already.

You could learn a few things from your friend here.


Exactly. Since the game will be in the mid teens and have the possibility of snowing, I could see both teams using a heavy dose of running. At least that is what I thought until Matt Flynn threw for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns in the snow. If the Giants can run all over us like the Chiefs did, they will undoubtably win. The addition of Bishop and Hawk for this game will be huge since they have both been injured since the week before the first Giants-Packers game. If the Pack gets some sort of run game going it will mean less pressure on Rodgers to perform and literally less pressure from JPP and Osi. That would mean that the play-action pass would open up for the Packers.

So basically for us to win
we have to throw all over you guys and outscore you.
or
Run a ton and use playaction to get a couple big plays

For you to win you'll need to
Get a turnover or 2 and outscore Rodgers
or
Run heavily all over our defense and finish the drives with touchdowns, not field goals.

Our run game has been much better in the last quarter of the season. At this point I am confident that we'll be able to run the ball, but I don't think they have earned the right to just assume we will. I wouldn't anticipate our offense coming out and playing "ball control offense" unless that is something we make a conscious effort of doing. Since we didn't do that in our first meeting, and we haven't been productive enough in the run game all season to even game plan for that, I would be surprised to see it. But who knows what wrinkle Coughlin will throw in there.

Packer OL is healthy with all their starters again, Giants DL is healthy with all their starters again. Big matchup there. Giants absolutely must get pressure on Rodgers and not just a little. IF they're forced to blitz to pressure Rodgers they are putting themselves at great risk.

Packer front 7 has Pickett and Bishop back, their best 2 run stoppers, Giants running game is back. Another big matchup. If the Giants can run at will and average 5 yards a carry, they could control the clock and keep AR off the field.

Packer secondary is better than the Giants secondary, especially if Ross is out. Better chance for INTs on Packer side.

Packers gave up a lot of big plays to Manning and the Giants' receivers last time. Can't do that this time.

At this point I am as confident as I could be that regardless of whether or not the Packers OL is healthy, our DL will get pressure on Rogers. That is the one unit of our team that I would say has earned the right to be looked at almost as a given (like I'm sure you guys assume Rogers will come out and have an awesome game). I am however worried about Rogers scrambling abilities. That could kill us if we are playing man coverage a lot. Romo is probably the most Rogers-esque QB we have faced recently in his ability to scramble for yards when the play breaks down. We were able to hold Romo in check, but I do worry Rogers will be a different story there.

 

[Giantz4Life]

Please quit it. As I CLEARLY outlined in my original post I am here to objectively discuss the game, that is why I created THIS thread. If you want to talk trash, fine, but do it some where else. Now you're just hijacking my thread and making this a ***** fest about your feelings. Enough already.

Waaawaaawaaaaa he hijacked my thread....who's *****ing now?
I'll let you get back to being a ***.

 

[Bensalama21]

Just some trash talking my friend like I said before....I'm just saying just because I talk trash doesn't mean I'm a troll. I'm from the Giants.com boards, and I've seen my fair share of what I consider trolls. I consider a troll to be an ignorant, uninformed, overly cocky trash talker who never talks X's and O's just talks meaningless trash and who doesn't show up again if their team loses. I like to think of myself as a very intelligent football fan who enjoys the occasional back and fourth trash talk. And if you guys beat us Sunday I will be back here to congratulate you Packer fans for a job well done.

I agree. And I would do the same on your board except I applied to join on your forum 3 months ago and I haven't been accepted by the moderators yet.

 

[Giantz4Life]

I agree. And I would do the same on your board except I applied to join on your forum 3 months ago and I haven't been accepted by the moderators yet.

Yeah there's been a lot of technical issues with our boards recently. Some longtime members lost their accounts and such...I'll see if I can find out anything for you.

I'll tell you what these boards are awesome. So much more sleek and user friendly than GMB.

 

[FrankRizzo]

From Jeff Chadiha
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7440145/nfc-divisional-round-playoff-preview

3. Do the Packers need to run the ball better to win? Yes. As potent as Green Bay's offense has been all season -- it led the league with 35 points per game -- the Packers know full well how important balance was to their Super Bowl run last year. They got just enough out of James Starks in those playoffs to keep defenses honest and emerge as the champs. This time around, they have far more backfield weapons (including their best runner, Ryan Grant), and, to date, far less interest in running the football. The Packers average only 97.4 yards per game on the ground. That's not going to get it done in January, not when the weather will be dicey in Lambeau Field and the upcoming opponents are the New York Giants. Anybody who has watched the Giants lately can see that their defense is peaking. An improved commitment to the run game could help the Packers deal with that.
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If the Packers' offensive line struggles against the Giants' pass rush, Aaron Rodgers could be in trouble.

4. Will the Giants' pass rush cause problems for Aaron Rodgers? Yes. The Giants only had two sacks in their 24-2 NFC wild-card win over Atlanta, but the potential for disaster hovered over Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan on nearly every pass play. Now that front four faces a Packers offensive line that has been reshuffled for most of the second half of the season, all to compensate for injuries to various players (including tackles Chad Clifton, Bryan Bulaga and Derek Sherrod, a backup now on injured reserve). It's one thing to handle pass-rushers such as Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul and Osi Umenyiora when you're at your best. When you have a line that has been as beat up as Green Bay's, you're asking for trouble. The good news is that Rodgers releases the ball as quickly as any quarterback in the league. The bad news is that if he's a second too late on any pass play, the Packers will regret the consequences.

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7. Will Jermichael Finley be a difference-maker? That depends on how you define making a difference. The Green Bay tight end has put up decent numbers this season, catching 55 passes for 767 yards and eight touchdowns. The problem is that Finley is capable of posting phenomenal numbers when he's at his best. He's got size, speed, agility, leaping ability and … a nagging habit of not living up to his potential. In a season when tight ends such as New England's Rob Gronkowski and New Orleans' Jimmy Graham became breakout stars, Finley hasn't been nearly as dominant, and drops also have plagued him.

In his defense, he isn't the only weapon in the Packers' arsenal. He also hasn't let his status as a third or fourth option on many plays drive him into a funk. That being said, Finley has only 13 receptions in his past four games. He has to be better than that.

8. Has Eli Manning become that dangerous? It's hard to argue with the way he has played all season, especially lately. When the Giants needed to beat Dallas in the season finale to clinch the NFC East title, Manning completed 72.7 percent of his passes and threw three touchdown passes in a 31-14 win. In Sunday's 24-2 wild-card win over Atlanta, Manning threw for three more scores while looking as confident as ever. And can you blame the guy for feeling good right about now? He finally has a decent running game after going a season with one that was hurt by injuries and inconsistency. He's got two big-time playmakers in receivers Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz, both of whom seem to step up their games if the other is controlled (Nicks was that player Sunday, with six receptions for 115 yards and two scores). At this point, there's every reason to think the Giants will be a tough matchup for the Packers in Green Bay. New York lost 38-35 when these two teams played Dec. 4. Manning's brilliance should make for an equally close finish.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

I agree. And I would do the same on your board except I applied to join on your forum 3 months ago and I haven't been accepted by the moderators yet.

i'm a mod there... we had registration closed. we have sicne opened it, you of gotten a notification. signup again

 

[GiantsFan2012]

Waaawaaawaaaaa he hijacked my thread....who's *****ing now?
I'll let you get back to being a ***.

I can't imagine why no one on these boards wants to converse with you.....it's so odd....




Anyway, Packers fans, what's the story with Jennings? After reading his tweet I assume he is ready to go?

 

[armand34]

I have yet to really read a post that is breaking down the X's & O's of a game...I'm excited to read one, so go for it

 

[armand34]

Yea Jennings should be ready to go 100%, I'm really excited about that

 

[Giantz4Life]

I can't imagine why no one on these boards wants to converse with you.....it's so odd....




Anyway, Packers fans, what's the story with Jennings? After reading his tweet I assume he is ready to go?

Funny ... I've been conversing plenty in other threads if you would ever step outside of your non confrontational bubble

 

[GiantsFan2012]

with Aaron Ross's injury last week how well Jennings can play will be huge. Prince came in and did a good job in Ross's place but I still have no confidence he can come in and lock up one of your WRs. Webster SHOULD be able to make his presence felt on which ever WR he lines up with more times than not. I wouldnt say Webster is on Revis Island level, but he does have the ability to be a shut down corner. Doesn't mean he will on Sunday though, but the ability is there.

 

[Giantz4Life]

^Nice writeup by that guy.

I really see Rodgers ability to avoid sacks and pressure to be an X factor of these game. Most QBs do not have the ability to get out of the pocket and become MORE dangerous than they are inside.

If we can contain Rodgers inside the pocket we have a good chance of getting to him.

 

[armand34]

with Aaron Ross's injury last week how well Jennings can play will be huge. Prince came in and did a good job in Ross's place but I still have no confidence he can come in and lock up one of your WRs. Webster SHOULD be able to make his presence felt on which ever WR he lines up with more times than not. I wouldnt say Webster is on Revis Island level, but he does have the ability to be a shut down corner. Doesn't mean he will on Sunday though, but the ability is there.

Webster really has been a solid corner since the tail end of the Giants '07 season...however, he's only one guy...Either Jennings or Nelson are gonna be singled up, and if they are both doubled, Jones gets open a lot, but he tends to drop balls in big games

 

[GiantsFan2012]

Yep, that's where our problem will be, the 2nd and nickle CBs.

We get a lot of grief for our LB play but in actuality Boley and our rookie, Jacquian Williams have been awesome lately. You may remember Williams making that "all or nothing" diving attempt on Rogers first pass of what turned out to be your GWing drive against us. He is an aggressive kid but he has a lot of talent. He went to U of South Florida (where JPP went) and has been compared to JPP at the LB position. He is still only rookie though so I am hoping the enormity of the game does not get a hold of him. His quickness and ability to cover obviously means he is not a traditional "run stuffer" but he has been used on blitz's a lot lately and so far has been successful. I would assume that is something the Packers offense will make a note of this week.


I would ask what Rogers #s look like vs a 5 man blitz, but I'm sure they're awesome. He prob doesn't have a bad stat on his card this year.

 

[armand34]

I went to the Giants/Packers game earlier on 12/4...I was amazed how loud that stadium gets and pretty impressed w/ how well the offense played w/ all that noise...The final drive of that game was insane, I really hope I see more Will Blackmon on Jordy Nelson.

 

[PackFanNChiTown]

Man why's everyone being so artificially polite? These fellers didn't come here for no tea and crumpets, they came to throw down a little! Not in a trolling way, but in a rival fan, friendly football smack talk way!

Don't worry boys, the rest of these guys kind of have that "formal rigidity" way to em, but I know what ya want.

So what are we waiting for? Let's get this party started! LOL

From the current vibe I get from the media, the Packers are the worst team in the playoffs, all because of having one bad game against the Chiefs in their house with a banged up O-line and receivers that couldn't catch a ball and our defense that gives up a lot of yards. I see dozens of articles about how "The Packers don't want to play the Giants," or "The Packers should fear the Niners/Saints," etc. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw articles saying how we need to fear the Falcons if they'd have actually won, (though you need to come up with something better than failing to convert 4th and 1 to do that).

What I do not see are articles saying how the Giants need to fear the Packers...and I'm fine with that. Let everyone get nice and overconfident that we're the worst team in the league right now. Go ahead and completely blow off 15-1 and home field advantage. Let your boy guarantee his victory... It's all good... Meanwhile our guys are outside practicing, acclimatizing themselves to the weather, and putting together a most-fearsome game plan for you 9-7 boys.

Got news for ya though, this ain't no weak-*** Cowboys or Jets team you're facing here. No sir. This ain't even no weak-*** 5-11 Redskins team you're facing...(oh wait, you got swept by those guys din't ya...yeah sorry about that...**snicker**).

We be the defending Super Bowl Champs and the team with the best record in the NFL Baby! Y'all think you got what it takes to come into our house and open that can a whoop-***? Ohhhhhh yeah, I like them terms.

This is Lambeau Field, place where even our backup QB can score six touchdowns against playoff teams, even without the top receiver on the field.

Sorry though, it ain't gonna be no backup you're facing Sunday. Nope. You're gonna be facing Aaron Rodgers...best d**n quarterback on the face of the planet...period. Forget about all that Breeze talk, he ain't nuttin but a runner up wanna be. Oh yeah. Aaron Rodgers is the MVP Baby, no contest. And he's gonna be the MVP of the Super Bowl too, second time.

This is the time for Lombardi squared, where that Lombardi trophy just gonna go and clone itself. Five times the flavor, five times the fun.

Y'all just don't know the kind of pain your boys are in for.... MMMM-HMMM. But you bout to!

So I see yo Billy Bad *** defensive end went an issued himself a challenge where he guarantees victory?!

Three words...

"I'm your Huckleberry...."

That's JUST our game.

So come on in.

Stay a while.

Y'all gonna be hurtin on that plane trip home, and whoever wins the Niners/Saints game gonna be watchin the replay sayin "we gotta go play them??????"

(Okay how'd I do, lay it on too thick?) LOL

 

[Greenbayphil]

Jones gets open a lot, but he tends to drop balls in big games

Not this year, Jones has been brilliant, he made a point last year that he was going to eliminate the drops and he has proven that so far.

 

[Greenbayphil]

I would ask what Rogers #s look like vs a 5 man blitz, but I'm sure they're awesome. He prob doesn't have a bad stat on his card this year.

Dont know specifically 5 man blitz but I do know Rodgers had a 131 passer rating this year against the blitz.

 

[E-rutherford]

The biggest X factor to me is the fact that the Packers have been on fire all season. The consistency is right on.
The Giants on the other hand have been a roller coaster ride all season. Lately they have been more consistent but
you just dont know. All things being equal and both teams playing their best game it will probably come down to who controls the clock.

 

[bubblercheez37]

Scary thing is....the Giants kind of remind me of us last year....there peaking at the right time. Hope we don't turn out to be Atlanta this year

 

[E-rutherford]

Scary thing is....the Giants kind of remind me of us last year....there peaking at the right time. Hope we don't turn out to be Atlanta this year

Yeah but GB has been "peaking" all season save the Chiefs game. No reason they should be coming out flat.
Should be a great game all around. I see some crazy stuff happening from both defenses.

 

[ThorMatthews]

I don't really agree with much about that article.
He's talking about us shuffling our O-Line but our O-Line is healthy now, so I don't understand how that's an issue anymore.
The Giants sacked Matt Ryan twice, both of those times I believe he was just sitting in the pocket.
Mind you the Giants sacked Aaron twice in the previous game this year with our, shuffled O-Line.
Aaron can extend the play and has a passer rating of ~134.5 when under pressure. I'm not so sure I'm afraid of that front four.

The last time we played each other the Giants only had 100 total rushing yards, while we had both Bishop and Hawk out of the game.

As far as the Finley thing goes I don't think he necessarily needs a HUGE day, what he needs to be doing is assuring first downs and just keeping drives alive.

I'm also not very afraid of Eli.

 

[Farvetowebster]

I don't really agree with much about that article.
He's talking about us shuffling our O-Line but our O-Line is healthy now, so I don't understand how that's an issue anymore.
The Giants sacked Matt Ryan twice, both of those times I believe he was just sitting in the pocket.
Mind you the Giants sacked Aaron twice in the previous game this year with our, shuffled O-Line.
Aaron can extend the play and has a passer rating of ~134.5 when under pressure. I'm not so sure I'm afraid of that front four.

The last time we played each other the Giants only had 100 total rushing yards, while we had both Bishop and Hawk out of the game.

As far as the Finley thing goes I don't think he necessarily needs a HUGE day, what he needs to be doing is assuring first downs and just keeping drives alive.

I'm also not very afraid of Eli.

its not just sacks that matter its the pressure applied..thats something the giants did against atlanta..and the packers were not the only ones who had injuries the first time around...we were missing guys on defense and on our o-line as well....waka waka nuckle head.

 

[Farvetowebster]

Scary thing is....the Giants kind of remind me of us last year....there peaking at the right time. Hope we don't turn out to be Atlanta this year

i doubt that....i wouldnt compare the defending champs who are battle tested to a dome team who has never done anything in a big spot.