Official GB vs Rams studs n duds

[Deleted member 6794]

FYI Aaron Jones has faced a loaded box on only 9.09% of his attempts, a number that ranks 49th out of 52 running backs with at least 40 attempts. Don't fool yourself, while he's definitely a good running back the defense mostly being concerned about the Packers passing offense is part of his success.

It's not his fault he fumbled the ball when the defense or other team is doing all they can to knock it out of his arm.

Montgomery wouldn't have been able to fumble the ball if he didn't bring it out of the end zone, as instructed by the coaching staff.

 

[PackerDNA]

Gurley's play at the end of the game was just plain smart football! Have to wonder if any of the Packer players have been coached well enough to do that?

Remember a couple of years ago on a kickoff to the Packers? The ball rolled dead near the sideline inside the 5-yard line. The return guy went out of bounds lay down and pull the ball to him out of bounds. It made it a Touchback instead of inside the five. Brilliant play that he's the guy was lauded for as it seemed to no one else on the field knew the rule. That guy? Ty Montgomery. Ironic huh?

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

When he did that it actually became a penalty on the kicking team and we got the ball at the 40 yard line. If I remember right, we scored on that series too.

 

[easyk83]

FYI Aaron Jones has faced a loaded box on only 9.09% of his attempts, a number that ranks 49th out of 52 running backs with at least 40 attempts. Don't fool yourself, while he's definitely a good running back the defense mostly being concerned about the Packers passing offense is part of his success.



Montgomery wouldn't have been able to fumble the ball if he didn't bring it out of the end zone, as instructed by the coaching staff.

This is true, and all the reason why he should receive more carries. Defenses are focusing on the Packers passing game if we dont have the receiving talent to overwhelm them strength on strength then lets run the ball more and force them to take a more balanced approach.

 

[adambr2]

Remember a couple of years ago on a kickoff to the Packers? The ball rolled dead near the sideline inside the 5-yard line. The return guy went out of bounds lay down and pull the ball to him out of bounds. It made it a Touchback instead of inside the five. Brilliant play that he's the guy was lauded for as it seemed to no one else on the field knew the rule. That guy? Ty Montgomery. Ironic huh?

It's a smart play, but I really hope everyone on the Packer side knew that rule or the special teams coach is not doing his job. I've seen that play pulled off by numerous players on numerous teams for years. Randall Cobb did it once as well.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

It's not his fault he fumbled the ball when the defense or other team is doing all they can to knock it out of his arm.

I'd have to disagree with you on that statement about his fault on the fumble. I've never played the game but surely protecting the ball must be drummed into all players from a very early age. I'm in agreement that running him out of town is a bit extreme but he has to accept responsibility for what he did.

 

[Mondio]

This is true, and all the reason why he should receive more carries. Defenses are focusing on the Packers passing game if we don't have the receiving talent to overwhelm them strength on strength then lets run the ball more and force them to take a more balanced approach.

Even against a more normal type front many of the line up and run plays don't work very well for us. Teams don't even have to load up against it. When they do, it's a negative play. Our best runs with Jones are out of pass look, delayed, get defenders down field, let dline get up field or pick a direction and push them, let Jones find a crease and go. That's not a look you use to open up the pass. It's created by the threat of the pass. If you give Jones the more normal quick hitting runs, against a normal front or run front, I think he's going to lose more than he wins. our oline doesn't block that way and if the crease isn't there and linebackers don't have their backs turned to the line, he goes nowhere.

anyway, in the "dry spell" on offense against the Rams, it's been pointed out we ran almost exactly as many times as we passed. If we ever become a run first team with Rodgers as QB, we're set up for failure.

 

[Poppa San]

anyway, in the "dry spell" on offense against the Rams, it's been pointed out we ran almost exactly as many times as we passed. If we ever become a run first team with Rodgers as QB, we're set up for failure.

HUH? I'll assume the dry spell you refer to as the second and third quarters after the FG on the second play of the 2nd quarter.

" 1-10-GB 18 (12:14) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to T.Montgomery to GB 20 for 2 yards (C.Littleton).
2-8-GB 20 (11:27) T.Montgomery up the middle to GB 21 for 1 yard (S.Ebukam, A.Donald).
3-7-GB 21 (10:42) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to J.Graham (J.Johnson) [A.Donald].
4-7-GB 21 (10:36) J.Scott punts 43 yards to LA 36,

1-10-GB 4 (7:16) A.Rodgers pass short left to M.Valdes-Scantling to GB 9 for 5 yards (M.Peters).
2-5-GB 9 (6:39) A.Rodgers pass short middle to R.Cobb to GB 27 for 18 yards (T.Hill). P8
1-10-GB 27 (5:57) J.Williams up the middle to GB 25 for -2 yards (M.Brockers). Timeout #1 by GB at 05:08.
2-12-GB 25 (5:08) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Valdes-Scantling.
3-12-GB 25 (5:03) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams [A.Donald].
4-12-GB 25 (4:58) J.Scott punts 55 yards to LA 20

Green Bay Packers at 2:54 1-10-GB 1 (2:54) A.Jones up the middle tackled in End Zone for -1 yards, SAFETY (M.Barron)."

3rd quarter
Green Bay Packers at 13:57
1-10-GB 27 (13:57) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to D.Adams to GB 36 for 9 yards (M.Peters).
2-1-GB 36 (13:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Jones up the middle to GB 40 for 4 yards (M.Brockers, J.Johnson).
1-10-GB 40 (13:03) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb to GB 48 for 8 yards (M.Barron).
2-2-GB 48 (12:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to R.Cobb to LA 48 for 4 yards (C.Littleton).
1-10-LA 48 (11:46) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Allison to LA 34 for 14 yards (N.Robey).
1-10-LA 34 (11:10) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to E.St. Brown pushed ob at LA 26 for 8 yards (M.Peters).
2-2-LA 26 (10:33) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to M.Valdes-Scantling [M.Longacre]. 3-2-LA 26 (10:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at LA 35 for -9 yards (A.Donald).
4-11-LA 35 (9:43) M.Crosby 53 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-H.Bradley, Holder-J.Scott.

1-10-GB 21 (7:12) J.Williams right guard to GB 26 for 5 yards (J.Johnson, M.Barron).
2-5-GB 26 (6:31) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Valdes-Scantling [N.Suh].
3-5-GB 26 (6:25) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams.
4-5-GB 26 (6:19) J.Scott punts 40 yards to LA 34, Center-H.Bradley, downed by GB-J.Crawford

1-10-GB 25 (1:50) (Shotgun) A.Jones up the middle to GB 26 for 1 yard (C.Littleton).
2-9-GB 26 (1:09) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Graham (T.Hill). Timeout #1 by LA at 01:04.
3-9-GB 26 (1:04) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep middle to D.Adams to LA 33 for 41 yards (M.Peters).
1-10-LA 33 00 :25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to R.Cobb.
2-10-LA 33 00 :21) (Shotgun) A.Jones up the middle for 33 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
M.Crosby extra point is GOOD, Center-H.Bradley, Holder-J.Scott

 

[Mondio]

Just something I heard on the radio yesterday. They said it was like 16 run and 16 pass or something. Must not be the right sequence of plays

 

[rmontro]

This is the Patriots to a tee. Kill them with kindness, then kill them on the scoreboard.

I always thought that when we beat the Pats in Green Bay that year, and Belichick was so gushing in his praise of McCarthy and the Packers afterwards, that he knew he might be facing Green Bay in the Super Bowl that year. And was kind of setting us up, by giving us the opposite of bulletin board material.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I always thought that when we beat the Pats in Green Bay that year, and Belichick was so gushing in his praise of McCarthy and the Packers afterwards, that he knew he might be facing Green Bay in the Super Bowl that year. And was kind of setting us up, by giving us the opposite of bulletin board material.

you saying Belichick was "giving him the business"?

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[OldSchool101]

Pettine’s defense forced 5 punts to open the game and the offense could only come up with 10 points. Something is just off with this offense. Given the personnel, scoring should not be so laborious. I will continue rooting for wins and success, but I am totally ready to move on from Mike McCarthy.

This is what happens when a team invests only a couple of high Offensive draft picks going back 5 consecutive years. Since 2014 just 3 players picked in the draft before round 4 have been on a Offense. While 12 have been on Defense. Not even one Offensive draft pick was a first round pick..

These are the 3 players on Offense before the 4th round in the last 5 drafts.
2014 Pick 53 Davante Adams
2015 Pick 94 Ty Montgomery
2016 Pick 48 Jason Spriggs

There hasn’t been an Offensive player picked in round 1 since Derrick Sherrod back in 2011 and Sherrod was 1 pick away from the 2nd round at #32 overall.

IMO we have emphasized too heavily in the draft on the D and we have become content with #12 overcoming that with his abilities. If Aaron Rodgers had 7 more first rounder offensive players since 2011 and 12 of 15 first and second day picks there’s no telling how explosive this Offense would be by now.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

This is true, and all the reason why he should receive more carries. Defenses are focusing on the Packers passing game if we dont have the receiving talent to overwhelm them strength on strength then lets run the ball more and force them to take a more balanced approach.

I agree that Jones should receive more carries against light boxes but there's no reason to run the ball with him once the defense decides to committ more players to defend it.

In those cases, which might happen a lot for all we know, I prefer Rodgers to audible to a passing play.

IMO we have emphasized too heavily in the draft on the D and we have become content with #12 overcoming that with his abilities. If Aaron Rodgers had 7 more first rounder offensive players since 2011 and 12 of 15 first and second day picks there’s no telling how explosive this Offense would be by now.

Unfortunately it seems the Packers will have to use their early round picks on defense next year once again.

 

[swhitset]

I agree that Jones should receive more carries against light boxes but there's no reason to run the ball with him once the defense decides to committ more players to defend it.

In those cases, which might happen a lot for all we know, I prefer Rodgers to audible to a passing play.



Unfortunately it seems the Packers will have to use their early round picks on defense next year once again.

I’m hoping they might mix it up a bit. It seems a lot of people would like to see those 2 first round picks combined to gain a higher pick. I would rather see 2 guys come out of the first round... one a pass rusher... and the other a solid offensive tackle (that might end up playing guard) . Get a safety in the second round. ... or really any of those in any order with those 3 picks. The all or nothing approach has left the offense a little light.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m hoping they might mix it up a bit. It seems a lot of people would like to see those 2 first round picks combined to gain a higher pick. I would rather see 2 guys come out of the first round... one a pass rusher... and the other a solid offensive tackle (that might end up playing guard) . Get a safety in the second round. ... or really any of those in any order with those 3 picks. The all or nothing approach has left the offense a little light.

Obviously, depending on who you really want to target in the first round, I am in total agreement with you. Keep the 2 picks and target 2 players. The 5th year option on first rounders can be a valuable commodity to have and it seems like once you get past that top 5 group, the next 20 or so all have their pluses and minuses and are a crap shoot anyway.

Depending on what Gute can do in Free agency, the Packers could need an OLB, S and OT. Spreading those 2 first rounders and a second rounder on all 3 positions seems more favorable to me.

 

[shockerx]

If you can get a chance to check out Ben Fennell twitter, go do it he shows the blocking on tys kickoff return....he states the pack is the only team with 300 lbs linemen blocking on returns....due to new kickoff rules. watch what happens...bad. packers special teams is always 2 steps behind on everything.

 

[shockerx]

off season goes like this. landice collins..bad spelling!....takes clays money and more. first round best DL pass rusher and best OL avilable. second round repeat...first round DL or OL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you can get a chance to check out Ben Fennell twitter, go do it he shows the blocking on tys kickoff return....he states the pack is the only team with 300 lbs linemen blocking on returns....due to new kickoff rules. watch what happens...bad. packers special teams is always 2 steps behind on everything.

That was #62 Patrick Lucas back there.

I'm not ready to question the blocking on Ty's return, I would give them all a free pass, since I imagine they all were like "Wait, WTF.....why is he taking it out of the endzone?" Now if there is an issue on normal kickoff blocking, I would hope that would be something Zook and his staff looks at and corrects. One other note, by the end of a game, you just never know who could be showing up on special teams, since injuries during the course of the game can wreak havoc with who is available.

 

[Mondio]

This is what happens when a team invests only a couple of high Offensive draft picks going back 5 consecutive years. Since 2014 just 3 players picked in the draft before round 4 have been on a Offense. While 12 have been on Defense. Not even one Offensive draft pick was a first round pick..

These are the 3 players on Offense before the 4th round in the last 5 drafts.
2014 Pick 53 Davante Adams
2015 Pick 94 Ty Montgomery
2016 Pick 48 Jason Spriggs

There hasn’t been an Offensive player picked in round 1 since Derrick Sherrod back in 2011 and Sherrod was 1 pick away from the 2nd round at #32 overall.

IMO we have emphasized too heavily in the draft on the D and we have become content with #12 overcoming that with his abilities. If Aaron Rodgers had 7 more first rounder offensive players since 2011 and 12 of 15 first and second day picks there’s no telling how explosive this Offense would be by now.

It is true we haven't used many high round picks on offense, it hasn't really been necessary either. We never used many high round picks before either.

I man you can go back to Ron Wolf, how many 1's or 2's did we use on offense? a couple offensive linemen maybe and bubba Franks? who else? A lot of defense in the 1st round then too. Edwards, Holiday, Newsome, Reynolds, George Ice Teague, etc. Lots of defense and we had Favre.

The past few drafts didn't leave us a lot of long term talent. i'd say we had some guys, but we don't have them anymore and overall the drafts are not helping us. But this offense hasn't really been void of people to run it with either. Our Oline has been pretty good most times. Our RB's have been up and down for everything from injury to weight to just nobody to put out there. Have had Plenty of WR's. I still say we have plenty of WR's and this is the weakest we've been there in a long long time. Te's haven't always been great, but we've never lacked passing targets.

It's easy to say we haven't used enough picks for offense, but then going back to when I was still in high school, we've always gone defense more than offense early.

 

[shockerx]

That was #62 Patrick Lucas back there.

I'm not ready to question the blocking on Ty's return, I would give them all a free pass, since I imagine they all were like "Wait, WTF.....why is he taking it out of the endzone?" Now if there is an issue on normal kickoff blocking, I would hope that would be something Zook and his staff looks at and corrects. One other note, by the end of a game, you just never know who could be showing up on special teams, since injuries during the course of the game can wreak havoc with who is available.

Boy, 62 sure was lined up deep in the kickoff coverage...and got beat horribly! Ill be watching this week how we line up. Coverage just runs right around 62. good ponit on injury possiblity.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't know why most folks here find this so hard to do but if you hit the "Disagree" button on someone, back it up with why you did it.

Personally, in many cases, I'd prefer the red X and then leave it at that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I’m hoping they might mix it up a bit. It seems a lot of people would like to see those 2 first round picks combined to gain a higher pick. I would rather see 2 guys come out of the first round... one a pass rusher... and the other a solid offensive tackle (that might end up playing guard) . Get a safety in the second round. ... or really any of those in any order with those 3 picks. The all or nothing approach has left the offense a little light.

I would be fine with the Packers keeping both first round picks as well but depending on which players are available would prefer Gutekunst to package them to trade up to select a player capable of having an immediate impact.

If you can get a chance to check out Ben Fennell twitter, go do it he shows the blocking on tys kickoff return....he states the pack is the only team with 300 lbs linemen blocking on returns....due to new kickoff rules. watch what happens...bad. packers special teams is always 2 steps behind on everything.

That's an interesting observation. Lucas Patrick leads all offensive linemen in snaps on kickoff returns with a total of 26. The next closest is Raiders guard Jon Feliciano with nine.

 

[shockerx]

nice info WIMM, also coming from the left side is 64, he gets beat bad too, cant understand why you would have two slow guards directly in front of kick returner. they are not athletic enough to find and hit the gunners. wounldnt TE type athlete be more suited for that. they are playing in space....and need quick feet. and there not allowed to form a wedge...new rule.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

nice info WIMM, also coming from the left side is 64, he gets beat bad too, cant understand why you would have two slow guards directly in front of kick returner.

McCray was definitely not on the field for that kickoff as he was inactive vs. the Rams.

 

[shockerx]

McCray was definitely not on the field for that kickoff as he was inactive vs. the Rams.

yes your correct.....i super zoomed in on the play 54 missed his block big time.