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how would that even be possible? he's a free agent and whatever team he signs with will be by his choice. is he saying he will choose the wrong team?
that was when he was put on waivers. Also that is what "was reported"....I think also implied through back channels. Tampering is a real thing, but unless it is blatant or a team/agent/player is dumb enough to openly admit it, it goes on all the time.
 

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OBJ would get maybe 1 target a game maybe 2. Rodgers has a whole slew that can stretch the field except at TE. Defense wins championships. Always been the case. How many lineman will take a pounding by next January? Rams, Ravens, Browns? Bucs? Stop the run. Get in Brady's crosshairs.
I think he'd get more targets than that lol. I can see him hauling *** crossfield, being open and Rodgers leading him. Don't care much about the one handed catches. But if he can catch the ball... btw only two targets/catches but MVS is looking like he has learned to use his hands.
 

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how would that even be possible? he's a free agent and whatever team he signs with will be by his choice. is he saying he will choose the wrong team?
I wonder If he is still holding teams to that threat.?LOL that is funny as h*ll!
 

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I think he'd get more targets than that lol. I can see him hauling *** crossfield, being open and Rodgers leading him. Don't care much about the one handed catches. But if he can catch the ball... btw only two targets/catches but MVS is looking like he has learned to use his hands.
So who do you take out? Cobb? Lazard? Adams? MVS? EQ? Where are they going to play ? ST gunners?
 

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OBJ would get maybe 1 target a game maybe 2. Rodgers has a whole slew that can stretch the field except at TE. Defense wins championships. Always been the case. How many lineman will take a pounding by next January? Rams, Ravens, Browns? Bucs? Stop the run. Get in Brady's crosshairs.
Then what FA at DL are you thinking will impact this team that we should go after? Most, if not all FAs available now, are league minimum. We can sign as many as we want, they don't affect our cap. Signing OBJ does not prevent us from signing any FA DL.
 

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We can sign as many as we want, they don't affect our cap.
Actually, yes any money we spend on Free agents right now affects our cap. It also reduces possibly how much we can carry over to 2022. I am sure that Gute and Ball are keeping a close eye on this, because there still could be the need to make other moves due to injuries.
 

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Actually, yes any money we spend on Free agents right now affects our cap. It also reduces possibly how much we can carry over to 2022. I am sure that Gute and Ball are keeping a close eye on this, because there still could be the need to make other moves due to injuries.
I believe if a player is at the league minimum, it is not counted towards the cap. Additionally, we would be cutting someone who either make the same or more. That has got to help.
 

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Then what FA at DL are you thinking will impact this team that we should go after? Most, if not all FAs available now, are league minimum. We can sign as many as we want, they don't affect our cap. Signing OBJ does not prevent us from signing any FA DL.
Fletcher Cox would have helped just to get through the season. There WERE about 5 before the deadline. Tim Settle with WF. Ryan Kerrigan with KC. Nick Williams in Detroit. No we are not going to get Ahkeem Hicks ever.
 

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I wonder If he is still holding teams to that threat.?LOL that is funny as h*ll!
It is quite common for well established veterans to want to have say where they are playing next. You don't think Aaron Rodgers had that talk with Gute? You don't think agents are up front with teams and say "my guy really doesn't want to play here."

Thinking anything else is naïve and calling a guy a sociopath and using this as one of the reasons....ripe.
 

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I believe if a player is at the league minimum, it is not counted towards the cap. Additionally, we would be cutting someone who either make the same or more. That has got to help.
I don't think so, I could be wrong. But think about it, if they cut Malick Taylor, his contract is for $780,000. If he isn't paid by another team this year, he is owed that money by the Packers and thus I believe counts towards the cap. For instance, Mercilus I think was signed for vet minimum and he carries a cap hit of $566,664. If the Packers released him, they still have to pay him (if nobody else does).
 

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OBJ would get maybe 1 target a game maybe 2. Rodgers has a whole slew that can stretch the field except at TE. Defense wins championships. Always been the case. How many lineman will take a pounding by next January? Rams, Ravens, Browns? Bucs? Stop the run. Get in Brady's crosshairs.

Um EQ and Amari get that some games, sorry you are wrong
 

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Fletcher Cox would have helped just to get through the season. There WERE about 5 before the deadline. Tim Settle with WF. Ryan Kerrigan with KC. Nick Williams in Detroit. No we are not going to get Ahkeem Hicks ever.
Um they’re not available right now nor getting cut. If they were I bet we would be interested.
 

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there are reports that odel is already threatening teams that there will be "issues" if he lands on the wrong team. are teams supposed to take that with a grain of salt and just giggle or take it serious this guy has MENTAL ISSUES!
Ummm… you write this in present tense… Odell doesn’t need to threaten anyone… he cleared waivers and can sign with any team he chooses… Therefore either you are reading outdated material and mistaken applying it to the present….. or it’s complete b.s.
 

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I don't think so, I could be wrong. But think about it, if they cut Malick Taylor, his contract is for $780,000. If he isn't paid by another team this year, he is owed that money by the Packers and thus I believe counts towards the cap. For instance, Mercilus I think was signed for vet minimum and he carries a cap hit of $566,664. If the Packers released him, they still have to pay him (if nobody else does).
Not correct. Vested vets (4 years of accrued service) on the roster week 1 get paid in full. Less than 4 years or mid-season signings are owed ONLY for the games they are rostered. Jaylon Smith only got paid for 2 weeks. Malik Taylor, if cut, is off the books as he's only a 2 years of service guy.
 

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Ummm… you write this in present tense… Odell doesn’t need to threaten anyone… he cleared waivers and can sign with any team he chooses… Therefore either you are reading outdated material and mistaken applying it to the present….. or it’s complete b.s.
Thus my meme about throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks. I know this poster feels that both you, I and a few others are unfairly picking on him, but its been nonstop fact checking with his posts and the facts just never seem to line up. Opinions are one thing, but check your facts.
 

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Not correct. Vested vets (4 years of accrued service) on the roster week 1 get paid in full. Less than 4 years or mid-season signings are owed ONLY for the games they are rostered. Jaylon Smith only got paid for 2 weeks. Malik Taylor, if cut, is off the books as he's only a 2 years of service guy.
Right and thank you on correcting me on vested vs unvested vets. However, the amount that they earn....get paid, still goes against the cap correct? In other words, if OBJ takes the Packers offer for Vet minimum and is with the Packers through the season, that amount counts against the cap.
 

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Thus my meme about throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks. I know this poster feels that both you, I and a few others are unfairly picking on him, but its been nonstop fact checking with his posts and the facts just never seem to line up. Opinions are one thing, but check your facts.
Actually I’ve been trying to ignore most of his posts …. but … i fail occasionally lol.
 

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For example IF Taylor is the one to get cut his $$ is "saved" on the cap and OBJ's vet min. is on the books so without looking up exact $$ is kind of a wash.
 

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For example IF Taylor is the one to get cut his $$ is "saved" on the cap and OBJ's vet min. is on the books so without looking up exact $$ is kind of a wash.
Good way and easier way to look at it, thanks. I never claimed to be a cap guru, but it didn't seem correct that if the Packers have to write a check to a player (to vested or non-vested) that amount goes against the cap.

Given your information, Malick and Winfree have to be keeping a close eye on this.
 

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I believe if a player is at the league minimum, it is not counted towards the cap. Additionally, we would be cutting someone who either make the same or more. That has got to help.

Close, but not quite.

There is a benefit that if a veteran (might have to be vested vet) gets signed to the league minimum for his years of service, his cap hit is only that of a 1st year player.

Easy, made up, round numbers:

If you sign a 7 year vet, let's say the minimum for him is $1MM per year. An UDFA rookie is $500k. You sign him to $1MM for 1 year (and even can give him a paltry signing bonus...it was $70k last I checked) and he only counts for $500k against the cap.

The intent is obvious: Make it so vet fringe players don't get put out to pasture too early. And coaches don't pull their hair out when the 22 year old kids can't play punt coverage.

In OBJ's case, I don't know how this would apply due to his offset contract. I suspect it would not. Assuming we signed him, he'd get 1/17th (or 18th, I forget how the bye factors in) of the vet minimum for each game he's on our roster.
 

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Ummm… you write this in present tense… Odell doesn’t need to threaten anyone… he cleared waivers and can sign with any team he chooses… Therefore either you are reading outdated material and mistaken applying it to the present….. or it’s complete b.s.
past present he is already causing problems. welcome back, buddy!
 

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Actually I’ve been trying to ignore most of his posts …. but … i fail occasionally lol.
you're still angry about the vaccine thing too like pokerbrat? LOL were feelings hurt that much? holy cow!
 

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Given your information, Malick and Winfree have to be keeping a close eye on this.
Winfree is on the Practice Squad & was called up a few times but then placed back onto PS so he's "safe". Taylor is on the active roster & #7 WR so more than likely would get the ax. After waivers can be signed to anyone's PS, but he may prefer to come back/stay with GB due to the favorable opportunity for a roster spot next year.
 

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Close, but not quite.

There is a benefit that if a veteran (might have to be vested vet) gets signed to the league minimum for his years of service, his cap hit is only that of a 1st year player.

Easy, made up, round numbers:

If you sign a 7 year vet, let's say the minimum for him is $1MM per year. An UDFA rookie is $500k. You sign him to $1MM for 1 year (and even can give him a paltry signing bonus...it was $70k last I checked) and he only counts for $500k against the cap.

The intent is obvious: Make it so vet fringe players don't get put out to pasture too early. And coaches don't pull their hair out when the 22 year old kids can't play punt coverage.

In OBJ's case, I don't know how this would apply due to his offset contract. I suspect it would not. Assuming we signed him, he'd get 1/17th (or 18th, I forget how the bye factors in) of the vet minimum for each game he's on our roster.
Thank you! That was the missing piece! Learned a few things today!
 
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