Odell Beckham Jr.

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Good opportunity for Gute to get Aaron involved. "Ok Aaron, you want him? If you do.. who you want to cut because someone needs to go." Time to put those big boy pants on and tell us who to get rid of.

Dam Straight........Rodgers wants to get involved more with signing players, here's his chance
to play general manager and screw up.
Maybe then he'll see how different the front office operates when their starting QB acts like a @ss.

 

[Pkrjones]

saints need a receiver and do we need a #2 receiver? is having a mental case on the team worth it? if the guy was a team player he would have been on a team right now. packers need to be very careful to sign this guy. I don't think it's going to make any difference here than any other team that had to let him go because he was just too much trouble.

reminds me of the woman in an abusive relationship that keeps telling herself that the person is going to change. now don't get me wrong, people, i'm not saying he is an abusive person but just he has mental issues.

I believe Tyni & Poker have already addressed these concerns... if Beckham WANTS to be in GB he already knows he's NOT the top dog #1 WR and that he's walking into a situation where there are at least 5 other options and weapons competing for targets (Adams, MVS, A. Jones, Dillon, Lazard, Cobb). Also, Poker pointed out that IF AR thinks his personality would or wouldn't mesh with the existing offense and talent he'd make his opinion known.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

People are talking about OBJ's personality issues and I am not denying any of them. However people change and maybe OBJ has softened a bit on his ego. A year ago if you asked me who I would rather have of OBJ, Antonio Brown or Josh Gordon, I would have said none of the above.

9 games into a season that has the Packers at 7-2, with a very good defense and an offense that sputters a lot, especially in the red zone, I'm grabbing OBJ. Why? The upside right now, today is far greater than the downside IMO.

If what Silverstein is saying is true and the Packers did offer him a salary, that tells me they have made the decision that they are fine with him being a Packer. That is enough news for me (if true), go get him Gute!

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Packers offering vet minimum... Classic Packers.

Chiefs and Saints making a push.

Source: all over twitter.

 

[tynimiller]

I am not basing my opinion off of Francesca, merely pointing out what he has said, which I happen to agree with. My opinion of the player is my own, and will not change without new information or evidence, which has been abundant thus far.

You each have your own perception of the player and I have mine, which I've made very clear. I'm not here to change minds, simply to express my stance. Isn't that the point of a forum? Or would you rather we all conform to the same opinions on every player and every move? If so, what's the point?

This is my stance on the player.

OBJ is a diva manchild and arrogant. He also is a very talented WR - hence why I'm adding him for cheap if he wants to come play with one of the GOAT QBs of all time with other weapons and push for super bowl. I'm not letting him destroy the locker room, nor would any of my established veterans - if he missteps he is gone IMO. Easy peasy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers offering vet minimum... Classic Packers.

Chiefs and Saints making a push.

Source: all over twitter.

If one of those teams is willing to give him a new contract that allows him to make more than what the Browns will owe him, he may go where the money is. But correct me if I am wrong, the Browns are on the hook for any difference between what his new team pays him (if less) and what they owe him.

I suppose that his new team could add all sorts of incentives, that might add money that wasn't there already?

 

[Mondio]

Packers offering vet minimum... Classic Packers.

Chiefs and Saints making a push.

Source: all over twitter.

Why would offer more?

 

[griffin]

Packers offering vet minimum... Classic Packers.

Chiefs and Saints making a push.

Source: all over twitter.

The guy is a freak of nature, but to me, it wouldn't be worth the headache of everything else.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

OBJ is a diva manchild and arrogant. He also is a very talented WR - hence why I'm adding him for cheap if he wants to come play with one of the GOAT QBs of all time with other weapons and push for super bowl. I'm not letting him destroy the locker room, nor would any of my established veterans - if he missteps he is gone IMO. Easy peasy.

Reasonable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Anyone think the Raiders have a chance at OBJ?

What a dumpster fire in Vegas! First Gruden, then Ruggs and now Arnette. Do they have anyone from their 2020 draft that is actually producing, both first round picks gone?

I guess all 3 are shining examples of what they mean when a team says "we are building a team with good character." Not to be confused with "building a team of characters".

 

[sschind]

Is any team going to pay him more than 7-8 million for this year or sign him to a long contract with bigger guaranteed money right now? I'm guessing not, or they would have traded for him.

So, 7-8 million he's owed from the Browns is likely this years cap for him. Now, i'm sure he'll have some suitors, we should probably be one for cheap, as he's not going to make anymore anyway. If we offer 600K and someone else 5 million does it make a difference? The browns still pay the difference up to that 7-8M mark. So, who gives him the best to win a ring and showcase he still has it for a big contract from someone else next year? I'd say we have a shot.

He's only due 4.5 million now. That's what they negotiated it to.

 

[mongoosev]

I believe Tyni & Poker have already addressed these concerns... if Beckham WANTS to be in GB he already knows he's NOT the top dog #1 WR and that he's walking into a situation where there are at least 5 other options and weapons competing for targets (Adams, MVS, A. Jones, Dillon, Lazard, Cobb). Also, Poker pointed out that IF AR thinks his personality would or wouldn't mesh with the existing offense and talent he'd make his opinion known.

well since ty and poker addressed those concerns lets close the thread. seriously, i get they voiced THEIR concerns but was giving my own 2cents. he seems to be sociopath, and i'm sure rod has that on the back of his mind. so i guess i think he would be better in new orleans. I wouldn't take a gamble on this one. again MY 2 cents.

 

[Poppa San]

Can he play slot? nope....can he block? nope...can he take horse dewormer and claim he is immunized???...I think I can hear him whining already about not getting the ball...

Early in his career he had a few punt returns. If he agrees to that, he immediately puts Amari on the gameday inactive list. His reputation alone is a better option than Malik or EQ. After bye week he is our #3 WR, taking coverage from DA17. Who do you double OBJ, DA17? Leave Cobb or MVS or AJ33 singled up? OL better be able to handle the defenses only option, don't give AR12 time to go to his 2nd, 3rd option.

 

[mongoosev]

OBJ is a diva manchild and arrogant. He also is a very talented WR - hence why I'm adding him for cheap if he wants to come play with one of the GOAT QBs of all time with other weapons and push for super bowl. I'm not letting him destroy the locker room, nor would any of my established veterans - if he missteps he is gone IMO. Easy peasy.

yup...well said, agree but i think the term you might be looking for is sociopath. but i'm sure that is what the other teams said that they will not allow OB one to destroy their locker room(maybe physically too) until they couldn't control him.

 

[tynimiller]

yup...well said, agree but i think the term you might be looking for is sociopath. but i'm sure that is what the other teams said until they couldn't control him.

LOL I can live with that amendment if you wish. Many cases have shown with time and change of scenery they can be beneficial to a team. First sign that isn't the case with him he is jettisoned. I don't care if it is mid-game, mid-flight lol

 

[Mondio]

He's only due 4.5 million now. That's what they negotiated it to.

I was not aware of that, but I still don’t see someone coming in at 5 million for half a season. And without that, he’s going to make 4.5 for the remainder whether we give him that or 600k of that

 

[tynimiller]

I was not aware of that, but I still don’t see someone coming in at 5 million for half a season. And without that, he’s going to make 4.5 for the remainder whether we give him that or 600k of that

Exactly, so the only way a team "outbids" us and it effects his figures is offering more than that amount for his services. I personally don't see that happening.

 

[Schultz]

Yeah vet minimum and some petty cash for an extra kicking net and a few more gatorade coolers should be in their budget.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I do believe that a team could still offer him incentives in a new deal and could be offered in such a way that they don't impact this years cap. Someone posted that both the Saints and Chiefs are in worse cap shape than we are, but do either of those teams have options to clear more cap space and/or are sitting better in 2022 than the Packers and thus able to offer him more and push it out?

All I know is that I wouldn't get into a bidding war for him, that is for sure. If they have to give him some incentives and they aren't too binding on the cap, do it.

Ultimately if OBJ only goes where the money is, he probably isn't going to come to GB. Which is fine by me, since I think that might raise a few eyebrows from teammates that have been told how little money the Packers have to spend.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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Evan Massey

@massey_evan

Update: #Packers do have a one-year offer on the table that Odell Beckham Jr. is seriously considering. He wants to play in Green Bay, but does have at least one other offer that's worth more money. Tough decision looming.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sounds like the Patriots have jumped in as well.
@massey_evan

Now,
@ProFootballTalk
is reporting that the #Patriots are "in" on signing Odell Beckham Jr. and that many believe the Saints will sign him. OBJ's camp weighing all best offers right now.

 

[KiDcUdI]

If we are just offering the minimum we have no chance. We have the most cap space of all the teams making an offer on OBJ.

This is honeslty going to end up as just another travesty in a long line of Packer GM failures to get a difference maker. This team is constantly in a state of being a top 5 team and never taking the step to become a top 2.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Really interesting article about the NFL's new "Termination Pay Waiver" clause and how it was used with OBJ. It is new and was added to the most recent CBA.

The OBJ termination pay waiver could open "Pandora's box" - ProFootballTalk

As of Saturday, the Browns and receiver Odell Beckham Jr. agreed to reduce the team’s eventual liability for termination pay from $7.25 million to $4.25 million by shifting $3 million of his remaining pay into a roster bonus, due this week. The two sides then pivoted to another path that got to...

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Pkrjones]

The Saints are significantly more screwed & in cap-hell for '22 than the Packers are, so I highly doubt they're contract offer pushes money into '22. The Saints need to cut at least 6 high-priced vets as post-June 1 just to get into positive cap position... and probably 8-10 to give them any room to sign draft picks and/or low-level FA's. New England could push money into '22 if they wanted to but they're playoff future is cloudy with a chance at best.

If I'm reading the above link properly the $3Mil roster bonus is paid by the new team IF he's signed this week... which means GB won't be signing him this week unless they intend to pony-up $3.6Mil which I HIGHLY doubt they'll do. Go to New England and watch week 2 of playoffs from home, OBJ.

 

[Mondio]

Again, why would you offer more than the minimum? To make it easier on the browns?

With all the guys we’re going to have to let go, I have zero interest in OBJ beyond this year so any contract that takes away money from core guys next year is a definite no from me