Odell Beckham Jr.

[Pokerbrat2000]

Would Lazard give up his number?

Not sure, maybe OBJ will buy it from him. I doubt that would be a deal breaker for him.

The Packers have a few pluses for OBJ: Rodgers and SB contending team.

The Packers have a few minuses: Very small budget this and next year and more competition for the #1 WR spot than say New England.

I think he signs with either the Packers or Patriots. Patriots may not have a great QB, but it might be a team that he likes and can be the #1 dog. They won't be contending this year, but could in the not so distant future.

 

[tynimiller]

Everyone declaring OBJ is a selfish fool, in past I agree...but can you not pause for just one second and think.

He desires to come to the Packers. The Packers. The team with arguably the BEST WR in Adams presently on the roster. The team with Aaron flipping Jones on it and a SOLID #2 RB in AJ Dillon. Not too mention a veteran in Cobb with massive connection with the QB...who mind you is Aaron F****** Rodgers (not Baker Mayfield). This could be a small hunch, but OBJ is not stupid enough to believe he waltzes in here and is the #1 target, shoot even the #2 most games is out of the question most likely.

That sound like a guy that will be a problem for this year alone? This isn't a long term relationship deal, we cannot afford it to be.

If we add OBJ, this offense just got immensely deadlier and the flexibility of shifting Lazard inside and even inline at times to serve as the "Tonyan option" would increase because OBJ is immediately our second best pure outside WR opposite Adams. MVS role is still immensely important and not diminished much IMO...if anything it lessons his targets a tick but not a ton.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Everyone declaring OBJ is a selfish fool, in past I agree...but can you not pause for just one second and think.

He desires to come to the Packers. The Packers. The team with arguably the BEST WR in Adams presently on the roster. The team with Aaron flipping Jones on it and a SOLID #2 RB in AJ Dillon. Not too mention a veteran in Cobb with massive connection with the QB...who mind you is Aaron F****** Rodgers (not Baker Mayfield). This could be a small hunch, but OBJ is not stupid enough to believe he waltzes in here and is the #1 target, shoot even the #2 most games is out of the question most likely.

That sound like a guy that will be a problem for this year alone? This isn't a long term relationship deal, we cannot afford it to be.

If we add OBJ, this offense just got immensely deadlier and the flexibility of shifting Lazard inside and even inline at times to serve as the "Tonyan option" would increase because OBJ is immediately our second best pure outside WR opposite Lazard. MVS role is still immensely important and not diminished much IMO...if anything it lessons his targets a tick but not a ton.

Agreed. I do like Lazard, but who is a defense going to worry about more, Lazard or OBJ? OBJ or MVS? Get it done Gute.

 

[Mondio]

Is any team going to pay him more than 7-8 million for this year or sign him to a long contract with bigger guaranteed money right now? I'm guessing not, or they would have traded for him.

So, 7-8 million he's owed from the Browns is likely this years cap for him. Now, i'm sure he'll have some suitors, we should probably be one for cheap, as he's not going to make anymore anyway. If we offer 600K and someone else 5 million does it make a difference? The browns still pay the difference up to that 7-8M mark. So, who gives him the best to win a ring and showcase he still has it for a big contract from someone else next year? I'd say we have a shot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I saw a report that the Saints were the only team that inquired into trading for OBJ before the trade deadline. If OBJ is looking for a championship team and a QB better than Baker Mayfield, I don't think Siemian/Hill are going to do it for him.

 

[Pkrjones]

I didn't want to consider OBJ in GB but the more I hear/think about it he would definitely be an asset. WR's: Adams, OBJ, MVS, Cobb with Lazard as TE over the middle & up the slot would be an awful handful for ANY defense to deal with. In 2021 the Packers have attempted 318 passes which is 35/game average. There are enough targets for OBJ to see at least 5/game which should keep him reasonably happy.

I would hope, as it gets colder that the 42% rush/58% pass ratio would get closer to 45%/55% but that would also help open-up the passing game and make it slightly more efficient, also.

 

[gopkrs]

Guys do not overthink this.

OBJ clearly know it would be a half year rental. He is well aware of the cap situation and that Adams is here. He doesnt need to be a #1. All he needs is a QB who can throw accurate passes so OBJ can showcase to the league he deserves a valuable deal come FA. A deep playoff run means more games to display his talent. He would be playing with the best in the game and wouldnt be taking defenses double teams because of Adams and he also doesnt have to worry about the team having anyone else cutting into him being the #2 target because as we know, are WRs are kind of bad outside of Adams.

As much as I dislike all this buying a Super Bowl; everyone does it. So this makes sense. He seems like a receiver made for Rodgers.

 

[Pkrjones]

As much as I dislike all this buying a Super Bowl; everyone does it.

That's the name of the game... manipulating the cap to put the best team on the field, "buying" a Super Bowl when you have enough of the pieces in place. This is the Packers best, last chance (IMHO) to get one with AR & Adams.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As much as I dislike all this buying a Super Bowl; everyone does it. So this makes sense. He seems like a receiver made for Rodgers.

I don't view this as buying a SB at all. I view it as potentially making a smart move at minimal cost/risk and no draft picks invested. Now buying a SB, which is kind of hard to do in NFL due to the cap, might be what some say the Buccaneers did, but even they stayed under the cap.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

No. He is a loser. Period.

 

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Sports Illustrated
@SInow

The Odell Beckham Jr. sweepstakes are down to three teams, per
@diannaESPN
• Packers • Chiefs • Saints

I like the Packers chances, given our current record, Rodgers and the 2 other teams in the hunt.

 

[tynimiller]

No. He is a loser. Period.

try elaborating upon a point. Should Odell be able to be added for under a $1M. Who on this team presently at WR is a clear better weapon than he? I argue solely Adams is.

Now, that doesn't mean his assimilation is immediately, or that he will be the #2 targets each week - I've outlined that ain't happening either. However, OBJ is better than MVS, Cobb, Lazard, Taylor, EQ, Rodgers, Winfree....

Do you feel he is a loser, purely because you don't like his approach or the character of the man you assume he is?

I feel Aaron Rodgers is the most pompous arrogant athlete on a team I have ever rooted for...doesn't change the fact he is good, in his case VERY GOOD.

 

[KiDcUdI]

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Sports Illustrated
@SInow

The Odell Beckham Jr. sweepstakes are down to three teams, per
@diannaESPN
• Packers • Chiefs • Saints

I like the Packers chances, given our current record, Rodgers and the 2 other teams in the hunt.

There's no way he will go to the Saints. No QB there. They have less than $1M in cap space. The Chiefs would make him 3rd in the pecking order for targets and they arent even good. They have $3.2M in cap space for the season.

We have the most cap space, the best QB, and the best odds for him to win.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

try elaborating upon a point. Should Odell be able to be added for under a $1M. Who on this team presently at WR is a clear better weapon than he? I argue solely Adams is.

Now, that doesn't mean his assimilation is immediately, or that he will be the #2 targets each week - I've outlined that ain't happening either. However, OBJ is better than MVS, Cobb, Lazard, Taylor, EQ, Rodgers, Winfree....

Do you feel he is a loser, purely because you don't like his approach or the character of the man you assume he is?

I feel Aaron Rodgers is the most pompous arrogant athlete on a team I have ever rooted for...doesn't change the fact he is good, in his case VERY GOOD.

Well said.

I fully admit that I haven't been an OBJ fan during his career. A big part of that is also probably why many fans hate Rodgers, he is damn good and knows it and he is not on MY TEAM! Had OBJ been a Packer from the start, his drama might have been annoying at times, but his on the field performance would have more than made up for that.

I would hope that we get a guy like what the Bucs got in A. Brown. Once a clown and rather full of himself, but now a veteran seeing his limited career could be winding down to only a few more chances. I also think the Browns have a track record of mishandling players, his time at Cleveland must have felt like a prison sentence at times.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

try elaborating upon a point. Should Odell be able to be added for under a $1M. Who on this team presently at WR is a clear better weapon than he? I argue solely Adams is.

Now, that doesn't mean his assimilation is immediately, or that he will be the #2 targets each week - I've outlined that ain't happening either. However, OBJ is better than MVS, Cobb, Lazard, Taylor, EQ, Rodgers, Winfree....

Do you feel he is a loser, purely because you don't like his approach or the character of the man you assume he is?

I feel Aaron Rodgers is the most pompous arrogant athlete on a team I have ever rooted for...doesn't change the fact he is good, in his case VERY GOOD.

He is not a winning player. You saw it in the week preceding the 2016 playoff game at Lambeau and you saw it in the game itself. I saw it for years watching Giants games in the northeast.

He's a selfish, immature, narcissist that has never won a damn thing in this league. He also drops far too many balls. He doesn't help teams, he dismantles them.

I saw enough of him in NY to know what he is. If you don't believe me, listen to Mike Francesca, who had a beat on him from day one. Some of you may not like Francesca, but he is spot on here.

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I would love to be wrong. While nothing would please me more than to see him come to GB, transform himself, and help us win a super bowl, I think the chances of that are comparable to the chances of Jordan Love ever being a good NFL QB. I'll take my chances with the guys we have.

 

[tynimiller]

Well said.

I fully admit that I haven't been an OBJ fan during his career. A big part of that is also probably why many fans hate Rodgers, he is damn good and knows it and he is not on MY TEAM! Had OBJ been a Packer from the start, his drama might have been annoying at times, but his on the field performance would have more than made up for that.

I would hope that we get a guy like what the Bucs got in A. Brown. Once a clown and rather full of himself, but now a veteran seeing his limited career could be winding down to only a few more chances. I also think the Browns have a track record of mishandling players, his time at Cleveland must have felt like a prison sentence at times.

Numerous players have spoken how the atmosphere of organizations are sometimes so staunchly differently it is nearly palpable and immediate upon entry. It was either Cobb or Jennings I believe spoke on this when they headed elsewhere after Green Bay...if not them I know it was someone recently.

 

[tynimiller]

I would love to be wrong. While nothing would please me more than to see him come to GB, transform himself, and help us win a super bowl, I think the chances of that are comparable to the chances of Jordan Love ever being a good NFL QB. I'll take my chances with the guys we have.

LOL to live a life so incredibly committed to the concept that change is not possible, progress is not possible, redemption is not possible must be incredibly frustrating.

I don't disagree OBJ has been a leech that sucks organizations clean of good team atmosphere...so was Antonio Brown - who no longer is. He is INSANELY cheap for what he can bring, and is always easily jettisoned if he stays a child.

I said it earlier and will again:

He desires to come to the Packers. The Packers. The team with arguably the BEST WR in Adams presently on the roster. The team with Aaron flipping Jones on it and a SOLID #2 RB in AJ Dillon. Not too mention a veteran in Cobb with massive connection with the QB...who mind you is Aaron F****** Rodgers (not Baker Mayfield). This could be a small hunch, but OBJ is not stupid enough to believe he waltzes in here and is the #1 target, shoot even the #2 most games is out of the question most likely.

That sound like a guy that will be a problem for this year alone? This isn't a long term relationship deal, we cannot afford it to be.

 

[pacmaniac]

I've seen reports his first choice was Green Bay, but that he's only had conversations with the Saints, Chiefs, and Pats. No reports that he's actually talked to the Packers.

 

[Spanky]

He is not a winning player. You saw it in the week preceding the 2016 playoff game at Lambeau and you saw it in the game itself. I saw it for years watching Giants games in the northeast.

He's a selfish, immature, narcissist that has never won a damn thing in this league. He also drops far too many balls. He doesn't help teams, he dismantles them.

I saw enough of him in NY to know what he is. If you don't believe me, listen to Mike Francesca, who had a beat on him from day one. Some of you may not like Francesca, but he is spot on here.

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I would love to be wrong. While nothing would please me more than to see him come to GB, transform himself, and help us win a super bowl, I think the chances of that are comparable to the chances of Jordan Love ever being a good NFL QB. I'll take my chances with the guys we have.

Mike Francessa makes Stephen A. Smith seem calm and reasoned in comparison. If there's a bigger blowhard in sports media I don't know who it is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've seen reports his first choice was Green Bay, but that he's only had conversations with the Saints, Chiefs, and Pats. No reports that he's actually talked to the Packers.

It wouldn't shock me if Gute and MLF have decided that they don't want to pursue him. However, it would surprise me a bit, especially given what has transpired with Rodgers complaints about the FO. Now if Rodgers came to them and said "look, I know OBJ wants to come here, but just between you, me and the goalpost, I think its a bad idea because of......"

Ultimately, the Packers will make a decision that is best for them and OBJ will make a decision, based on his options and what is best for him.

The little I know, I think OBJ improves them at low cost and low risk. Maybe the Packers don't see it that way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Numerous players have spoken how the atmosphere of organizations are sometimes so staunchly differently it is nearly palpable and immediate upon entry. It was either Cobb or Jennings I believe spoke on this when they headed elsewhere after Green Bay...if not them I know it was someone recently.

I think that was Cobb and he said it when he came back to Green Bay.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

LOL to live a life so incredibly committed to the concept that change is not possible, progress is not possible, redemption is not possible must be incredibly frustrating.

I don't disagree OBJ has been a leech that sucks organizations clean of good team atmosphere...so was Antonio Brown - who no longer is. He is INSANELY cheap for what he can bring, and is always easily jettisoned if he stays a child.

I said it earlier and will again:

He desires to come to the Packers. The Packers. The team with arguably the BEST WR in Adams presently on the roster. The team with Aaron flipping Jones on it and a SOLID #2 RB in AJ Dillon. Not too mention a veteran in Cobb with massive connection with the QB...who mind you is Aaron F****** Rodgers (not Baker Mayfield). This could be a small hunch, but OBJ is not stupid enough to believe he waltzes in here and is the #1 target, shoot even the #2 most games is out of the question most likely.

That sound like a guy that will be a problem for this year alone? This isn't a long term relationship deal, we cannot afford it to be.

Mike Francessa makes Stephen A. Smith seem calm and reasoned in comparison. If there's a bigger blowhard in sports media I don't know who it is.

I am not basing my opinion off of Francesca, merely pointing out what he has said, which I happen to agree with. My opinion of the player is my own, and will not change without new information or evidence, which has been abundant thus far.

You each have your own perception of the player and I have mine, which I've made very clear. I'm not here to change minds, simply to express my stance. Isn't that the point of a forum? Or would you rather we all conform to the same opinions on every player and every move? If so, what's the point?

This is my stance on the player.

 

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[mongoosev]

saints need a receiver and do we need a #2 receiver? is having a mental case on the team worth it? if the guy was a team player he would have been on a team right now. packers need to be very careful to sign this guy. I don't think it's going to make any difference here than any other team that had to let him go because he was just too much trouble.

reminds me of the woman in an abusive relationship that keeps telling herself that the person is going to change. now don't get me wrong, people, i'm not saying he is an abusive person but just he has mental issues.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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Hey at least they are interested. That is the first report I have seen that shows their interest.