MM and AR Rift

[PackAttack12]

I haven't forgotten what MM did with Flynn. I'm just not focused on seven years ago as my defense of MM.

What is so difficult to understand about the fact that Flynn played in several games for the Packers in 2013 when Rodgers injured his collarbone??? If you're going to dig in to your position, at least have all of your facts in order.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Creating mismatches forces the defense to do something on-the-fly that they weren't expecting to, that's how the offensive playcaller can force (or vastly increase the likelihood) of the defense making a mistake. Motion, unexpected formations, etc. can force the defense to adjust and then defenders are thinking and outside their comfort zones and that's where guys suddenly aren't covered or are covered by someone in a blatant mismatch.

I haven't forgotten what MM did with Flynn. I'm just not focused on seven years ago as my defense of MM.

Once again, that doesn't change the fact that a linebacker ending up covering a receiver is a mistake by the defense. But you will be glad to hear that McCarthy was able "to force" the Bills to do it twice on Sunday.

Flynn is the only decent backup quarterback MM has been given to work with, therefore the team's performance with him starting five years ago should be considered when evaluating his play calling without Rodgers.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Didn't Aaron Rodgers call the offense in that game?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-flynn-calls-plays-during-backup-qbs-big-day

Why would that matter? A backup QB either gets it or he doesn't, and obviously Flynn did and Hundley did not.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I think this entire story has been completely misrepresented. I believe Aaron was saying the entire offense, himself included, has to be better. I do not believe he was attempting to throw anyone under the bus in any way, shape, or form. He knows the level of offensive play that has come to be expected around here, and he is stating a fact: He and those around him simply have not been good enough. Period. He is as at fault as anyone, and he knows it. He was just trying to give himself and the offense some accountability by stating what everyone knows. They must be better. HE must be better. He knows this. He wants and expects more of himself and everyone around him. This was not a diversion of blame, but a shouldering of it as the leader of an under-performing unit. They will have the necessary conversations, make the necessary adjustments, and be fine.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Once again, that doesn't change the fact that a linebacker ending up covering a receiver is a mistake by the defense. But you will be glad to hear that McCarthy was able "to force" the Bills to do it twice on Sunday.

Flynn is the only decent backup quarterback MM has been given to work with,.

Rodgers is a MM disciple as well.

 

[Poppa San]

What specifically, did the Rams do I those 2 plays you have a ***** about? You can start with just giving the alignment they were in

I'm going to guess it was 1:05 and 5:10 here. First one appears the Rams went three wide but the Vikings didn't go nickel? Looked like a crossing route that Kupp turned upfield. Gurley was DT'd? FS drifted to the far side of the field leaving Barr alone. In the 2nd one Woods split the seam in what looks like zone coverage. Neither play had a FS over the top for an assist.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

What is so difficult to understand about the fact that Flynn played in several games for the Packers in 2013 when Rodgers injured his collarbone??? If you're going to dig in to your position, at least have all of your facts in order.

Wait a second. The offense was not good in 2013 when he was QB. I thought we were focusing on when the offense was good with him here. How does pointing to a mediocre offense prove MM's worth? Also, 5 years ago isn't much better than 8 years ago...

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Once again, that doesn't change the fact that a linebacker ending up covering a receiver is a mistake by the defense. But you will be glad to hear that McCarthy was able "to force" the Bills to do it twice on Sunday.

Flynn is the only decent backup quarterback MM has been given to work with, therefore the team's performance with him starting five years ago should be considered when evaluating his play calling without Rodgers.

Yes, MM can't be fairly evaluated for the offensive genius that he truly is because defenses don't make as many mistakes against the Packers' offense AND because he hasn't been given a good enough backup QB. Never mind that WITH his starting QB he's underwhelmed and that forcing defenses into mistakes is something that great offensive coordinators have a hand in.

 

[Mondio]

A starting QB that didn’t practice yet again today and has had what? 2 limited practices since not playing in the preseason. ^^^^this guy thinks that’s not significant LOL

How about this, when Goff is playing injured, their offensive line changes every week, they don’t have a starting RB or WR in the lineup, let’s see how they do?

I suppose you think no Cobb again, Rodgers sitting out again and no Allison and Adams limited won’t affect anything either

And I’m still waiting for just how what the Rams did on your two ***** plays that is different from anything GB has done. I could save you the trouble and let you know the answer is nothing different, but you’ll still think there is. So, you tell us, start with the formation, we’ll see how it’s schemed so differently

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Wait a second. The offense was not good in 2013 when he was QB. I thought we were focusing on when the offense was good with him here. How does pointing to a mediocre offense prove MM's worth? Also, 5 years ago isn't much better than 8 years ago...

The Packers offense averaged 25.2 points with Flynn playing in five games during the 2013 season. If you expect better results with a backup quarterback who was signed 12 days before appearing in his first game you're completely delusional.

Never mind that WITH his starting QB he's underwhelmed and that forcing defenses into mistakes is something that great offensive coordinators have a hand in.

WTF are you talking about??? Once again, the Packers rank third in points scored in the league since Rodgers became the starter. It's ridiculous to consider solely a four game stretch at the start of this season with the quarterback being injured.

 

[PackAttack12]

Damn captain beat me to it.

25.2 points per game would have ranked 12th in the National Football League for the entire year. To captain's point, you can't ask for much more than that with a backup QB.

 

[PackAttack12]

WTF are you talking about??? Once again, the Packers rank third in points scored in the league since Rodgers became the starter. It's ridiculous to consider solely a four game stretch at the start of this season with the quarterback being injured.

Reminds me of the people in early on in 2016 calling for Rodgers to be benched or traded.

Lunacy.

 

[gopkrs]

Just wanted to say that I always liked Flynn. He could be clutch. He even won the big one in college when the starter was out. Don't know why people were kind of down on him.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yes, MM can't be fairly evaluated for the offensive genius that he truly is because defenses don't make as many mistakes against the Packers' offense AND because he hasn't been given a good enough backup QB. Never mind that WITH his starting QB he's underwhelmed and that forcing defenses into mistakes is something that great offensive coordinators have a hand in.

Absolutely no coherency to any of your posts and nothing but omission of facts to boot.

People defend McCarthy because his critics are nothing but lyin high school dropouts with low IQs.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

25.2 points per game would have ranked 12th in the National Football League for the entire year. To captain's point, you can't ask for much more than that with a backup QB.

To add to my point the Eagles averaged 24.5 points with Foles starting six games for them winning the Super Bowl last season. Yet some want us to believe that the Packers offense struggled mightily with a competent backup in Flynn during the 2013 season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Just wanted to say that I always liked Flynn. He could be clutch. He even won the big one in college when the starter was out. Don't know why people were kind of down on him.

I guess the reason being that Flynn didn't succeed with any other team in the NFL outside of Green Bay.

 

[swhitset]

I guess the reason being that Flynn didn't succeed with any other team in the NFL outside of Green Bay.

You must be joking... If he could average over 25 points a game with that unimaginative McCarthy ... surely he should have been good for at least 40 with a good coach. Those other teams sure missed the boat

 

[gopkrs]

I guess the reason being that Flynn didn't succeed with any other team in the NFL outside of Green Bay.

I think we got something for him when he went to Seattle? And I think that they went with Wilson as a rookie. And despite what you may think; Wilson is a very good QB and those throws he makes that looks like they are up for grabs are actually very accurate. No, Flynn did not have an exemplary career. I'm just saying I liked him and thought he was a good backup.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I think we got something for him when he went to Seattle? And I think that they went with Wilson as a rookie. And despite what you may think; Wilson is a very good QB and those throws he makes that looks like they are up for grabs are actually very accurate. No, Flynn did not have an exemplary career. I'm just saying I liked him and thought he was a good backup.

Don't think anyone's ever argued those points.

What happens is Mike McCarthy's critics ignore Matt Flynn's games because they want to use Brett Hundley's failure as a foil to put dirt on him.

They just simply are too dumb to understand that some QBs can grasp the playbook while others cannot.

Case in point was Flynn developing alongside Brian Brohm. Both QBs were trying to learn the same offense and both had the same coaches developing them. But one caught on while the other didn't.

Coaches are just merely teachers and QBs students. Sure, teachers need to be able to teach effectively, but it's still on the student to get the grade. Some have passed MM's school with flying colors while others have flunked.

 

[Mondio]

and as also needs to be noted, MM is no longer to hold school either. That was closed due to the latest CBA. Now you have to take snaps away from starters to try and teach someone

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Absolutely no coherency to any of your posts and nothing but omission of facts to boot.

People defend McCarthy because his critics are nothing but lyin high school dropouts with low IQs.

Wow. Solid argument. Personal attacks. My arguments lack coherency but your rebuttals are shining examples of open and honest dialogue. Seems about right for today's social environment actually.

 

[PackAttack12]

People defend McCarthy because his critics are nothing but lyin high school dropouts with low IQs.

They just simply are too dumb to understand that some QBs can grasp the playbook while others cannot.

Really? That's the level we're stooping to?

 

[GleefulGary]

and as also needs to be noted, MM is no longer to hold school either. That was closed due to the latest CBA. Now you have to take snaps away from starters to try and teach someone

This has been a huge, huge factor for MM.

 

[Poppa San]

Really? That's the level we're stooping to?

[moderating]
We better not be heading in that direction any further. [/moderating]
and I know you weren't the instigator for this one.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

This has been a huge, huge factor for MM.

I fully agree that MM relied on his QB school and it helped the team. However, unless the CBA is altered to allow that back in, MM needs to find a way to compensate for its loss.