MM and AR Rift

[HardRightEdge]

Aside from people being mad, I was wondering if QBs calling the plays is common? Has this been a successful approach in the past for other teams? Maybe Aaron Rodgers does get to call lots of plays already?

It is uncommon, and when it is done there are limitations. You're not going to see the QB pointing out the players on the sidelines he wants in the game. There isn't time for that. Once upon a time it was possible (and common) for the QB to call the plays, but it's a more sophisticated sub package / matchup game now.

The playbook ranges from 5 wide / empty backfield to 3 TEs. Any audible is limited by the personnel sent on the field.

The exception might be the no huddle / no sub series, the offense's fixed 11 against the defense's fixed 11. In that case the QB may have control but he's operating under a limited playbook based on that fixed personnel. Even then, a clock-stopping play would give control back to the coaches; the defense would have the opportunity to sub and the offensive coach the opportunity to counter.

 

[gopkrs]

Well it may not be THE point, but it is an important one. Of course I am talking about pass patterns. Another point is to try and free a receiver to a wide open space.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yes it is and we’re 1 month in. Think the season is done? I know you hope it is, you hope for it every week like so many others just so you can be “right”. Lol

Blowing loads all over the Bears after shredding one of the worst defenses in the league that has been getting by on sheer craziness. That same offense that couldn’t do **** against a mediocre Packer defense for more than a a quarter and a half lol.

It truely is a week to week league, especially when it comes to fans saying who we should be more like. Lol

Except MM has been underwhelming for years. Which has been constantly pointed out but conveniently forgotten by some defenders.

 

[Mondio]

Except MM has been underwhelming for years. Which has been constantly pointed out but conveniently forgotten by some defenders.

History does not show that

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Do you understand that no matter the offensive scheme a linebacker ending up covering a receiver was a result of a mistake on defense???



The Bills have a pretty solid defense. So you're blaming McCarthy for not coming up with a game plan making up for Rodgers missing throws and receivers dropping balls while the run blocking was average at best??? That's insane.



Once again, aside of Rodgers and Bakhtiari the Packers don't have any great players on offense.

Nope, if you actually look through the play design that the Rams used against the Vikes, that matchup was not a mistake, it was the scheme that forced the linebacker to cover the receiver.

Again, MM apparently can't be held responsible. No other great offense in the NFL apparently drops balls or misses throws. The elite offenses are perfect.

The Packers have a VERY good oline. The Packers have a great WR in Adams. The Packers appear to have a very good receiver in Allison as well. Though it can be hard to tell when the coach doesn't do much but tell his guy to win their battles.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

History does not show that

Yeah, because he has Rodgers making GREAT throws through tight windows. Seriously, MM won the NFL lottery. He was a very good coach blessed with a QB who would develop into the best in NFL history and a great defense in 2010. He then got to sit back and slowly watch his offense erode while Rodgers covered up his flaws. To this there are some that blame everyone else BUT McCarthy for any issues on this team. Which is weird because he's the head coach.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Careful Rodgers is the Godhead of a religious cult, he cannot be faulted for anything.

If left completely to his own devices he'd run this offense like he was playing 500. No running plays and nothing but deep routes, he'd also get sacked on half of his dropbacks. He's a brilliantly talented quarterback but he doesn't lack for hubris and he has a habit of checking out of run plays even when the run game is the only part of the offense that's working. See the first half of the game against Washington. He's competitive, he wants the ball and he's rarely willing to just lean on the run game even when its working and his passing is off.

Pretty sure you could replace every instance of Rodgers with McCarthy in that statement and both would still be correct.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

History does not show that

History shows that Ty Lue is an amazing coach with one of the best players in the history of the NBA. You people act as if there is no correlation between our success and having an amazing player at the most important position in all of sports. He's succeeded despite missing various members on offense, but they've had absolutely no success without him. The facts are there, they just go ignored.

 

[Mondio]

Yeah, because he has Rodgers making GREAT throws through tight windows. Seriously, MM won the NFL lottery. He was a very good coach blessed with a QB who would develop into the best in NFL history and a great defense in 2010. He then got to sit back and slowly watch his offense erode while Rodgers covered up his flaws. To this there are some that blame everyone else BUT McCarthy for any issues on this team. Which is weird because he's the head coach.

whatever man. the only QB i saw threading needles in week 4 of the NFL was Goff. Rodgers had a lot of open receivers. Check out the TD to graham. Tight window LOL Adams over the middle, nobody within 10 yards, tight window? the pass to Monty, tight window? LOL

 

[GleefulGary]

Nope, if you actually look through the play design that the Rams used against the Vikes, that matchup was not a mistake, it was the scheme that forced the linebacker to cover the receiver.

Again, MM apparently can't be held responsible. No other great offense in the NFL apparently drops balls or misses throws. The elite offenses are perfect.

The Packers have a VERY good oline. The Packers have a great WR in Adams. The Packers appear to have a very good receiver in Allison as well. Though it can be hard to tell when the coach doesn't do much but tell his guy to win their battles.

Allison is a very good WR?!

I like Allison, but he’s an average WR.

I’ve seen WR’s run free and open this season. Sometimes they get the ball, sometimes they don’t. The slant to Adams was a beautiful design for example. The wheel route caused Adams to get open and have room to run.

I’m no MM apologist, but you’re overstating his ineptitude. The plays are there. The execution isn’t.

 

[GleefulGary]

History shows that Ty Lue is an amazing coach with one of the best players in the history of the NBA. You people act as if there is no correlation between our success and having an amazing player at the most important position in all of sports. He's succeeded despite missing various members on offense, but they've had absolutely no success without him. The facts are there, they just go ignored.

Apples and oranges my man. Football and basketball have very limited comparisons, and you’re not making one of those.

 

[Mondio]

Apples and oranges my man. Football and basketball have very limited comparisons, and you’re not making one of those.

is somebody really trying to compare basketball with football?

 

[MadCat]

Or maybe he's imploring them to do better like a "Come on guys!! Let's get this thing going" kind of thing because they're slacking off at the moment. I mean, is it really that hard for some people to figure out?

Now that is an innovative plan. If you can't fire up your players in the locker room before the games, just bash them in the press afterwards. I really hope it works because if the players can somehow find a way to become as highly successful as he is, I see great things in the future for this team!

 

[Mavster]

No, you're the one who doesn't understand that coaches don't operate players on video game controllers.

What are you even trying to say here? I said the coach controls who plays during the preseason. Do you disagree with that?

 

[Mavster]

is somebody really trying to compare basketball with football?

Can you tell us what MMs record is in games Rodgers does not start?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Do you understand that no matter the offensive scheme a linebacker ending up covering a receiver was a result of a mistake on defense???

Captain, don't you know? Sean McVay's play book has a little button in it that when he pushes moves Anthony Barr over and puts him in coverage against Cooper Kupp

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Allison is a very good WR?!

I like Allison, but he’s an average WR.

I’ve seen WR’s run free and open this season. Sometimes they get the ball, sometimes they don’t. The slant to Adams was a beautiful design for example. The wheel route caused Adams to get open and have room to run.

I’m no MM apologist, but you’re overstating his ineptitude. The plays are there. The execution isn’t.

Allison is on pace for 76 catches, almost 1,200 yards, and 8 TDs. That's pretty good. What, does every receiver need to be JuJu to be considered very good?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Captain, don't you know? Sean McVay's play book has a little button in it that when he pushes moves Anthony Barr over and puts him in coverage against Cooper Kupp

Yeah, it's called the button on the pen he used to design a play based on studying the Vike's defense and knowing their tendencies based on the offensive formation.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

whatever man. the only QB i saw threading needles in week 4 of the NFL was Goff. Rodgers had a lot of open receivers. Check out the TD to graham. Tight window LOL Adams over the middle, nobody within 10 yards, tight window? the pass to Monty, tight window? LOL

People reference 2 or 3 plays per game to make a point as if it is common. Some offenses have WRs wide open EVERY play. And the QB can get in a rhythm because they are confident in the play calling and design. You are blinded by your allegiance to the team. The play design could be so much better. There is no reason that Tennessee should have put up a ton of yardage against the former champs with their passing attack, but they did because of excellent play design and an OC who can actually do a good job of situational play calling.

 

[easyk83]

Allison is a very good WR?!

I like Allison, but he’s an average WR.

I’ve seen WR’s run free and open this season. Sometimes they get the ball, sometimes they don’t. The slant to Adams was a beautiful design for example. The wheel route caused Adams to get open and have room to run.

I’m no MM apologist, but you’re overstating his ineptitude. The plays are there. The execution isn’t.

Allison has a great skillset to pair with Rodgers provided that Aaron can get back to form. He runs a fluid route and has great short area quickness and explosion though he lacks overall speed. Aaron likes guys that are where they're supposed to be and who can separate out of their breaks.

 

[swhitset]

Except MM has been underwhelming for years. Which has been constantly pointed out but conveniently forgotten by some defenders.

if by “forgotten” you mean not agreeing with you then ...ok.

 

[swhitset]

Can you tell us what MMs record is in games Rodgers does not start?

Such a tired and irrelevant stat. The record of any pass oriented NFL team where the starter is injured is not good. This is McCarthy’s only NFL head coaching job. The only way your argument would make any sense is if you had an example of him coaching a team built around a lesser QB.

 

[swhitset]

People reference 2 or 3 plays per game to make a point as if it is common. Some offenses have WRs wide open EVERY play. And the QB can get in a rhythm because they are confident in the play calling and design. You are blinded by your allegiance to the team. The play design could be so much better. There is no reason that Tennessee should have put up a ton of yardage against the former champs with their passing attack, but they did because of excellent play design and an OC who can actually do a good job of situational play calling.

Your second sentence is so ridiculous I don’t even know what else to say. Every Play? lmao... Super bowl bound for sure... what teams are these? certainly not even the Patriots so...

 

[Mavster]

Such a tired and irrelevant stat. The record of any pass oriented NFL team where the starter is injured is not good. This is McCarthy’s only NFL head coaching job. The only way your argument would make any sense is if you had an example of him coaching a team built around a lesser QB.

It's only irrelevant because you don't like what the stat indicates.

Philly found success with Foles last year and even won the SB with him, the Pats stayed alive (went 3-1?) with Jacoby Brissett at QB while Brady was suspended. Minnesota didn't miss a beat when Bradford went down and Keenum took over. I guess these coaches must be amazing to overcome the loss of their QB's.

 

[swhitset]

It's only irrelevant because you don't like what the stat indicates.

Philly found success with Foles last year and even won the SB with him, the Pats stayed alive (went 3-1?) with Jacoby Brissett at QB while Brady was suspended. Minnesota didn't miss a beat when Bradford went down and Keenum took over. I guess these coaches must be amazing to overcome the loss of their QB's.

I was about to start listing the countless other teams that don’t support your argument...but I’m going to save myself the aggravation and stop arguing with someone that doesn’t understand the difference between statistics and anecdotal “evidence”.