MM and AR Rift

[PackerfaninCarolina]

It's only irrelevant because you don't like what the stat indicates.

Philly found success with Foles last year and even won the SB with him, the Minnesota didn't miss a beat when Bradford went down and Keenum took over. I guess these coaches must be amazing to overcome the loss of their QB's.

Ok, first off Foles is not a "backup" QB, how many times do we gotta say that? Just quit calling him a backup cuz that's just bullsh*t.

And how many times do we gotta say that Bradford is garbage fire? He is a big time garbage fire who has had no winning seasons and can't even hang onto his job in Arizona now. Do not EVER EVER call him a good QB.

And also, Pats were rolling with Garropolo not Brissett idiot.

 

[Mavster]

I was about to start listing the countless other teams that don’t support your argument...but I’m going to save myself the aggravation and stop arguing with someone that doesn’t understand the difference between statistics and anecdotal “evidence”.

I'm not even arguing anything other than the fact that MM's teams have looked incompetent when a HOF QB isn't leading the offense.

But please, I'd love to see your list of 'countless' teams here

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yeah, it's called the button on the pen he used to design a play based on studying the Vike's defense and knowing their tendencies based on the offensive formation.

Ridiculous and it doesn't refute Captain's statement one bit.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'm not even arguing anything other than the fact that MM's teams have looked incompetent when a HOF QB isn't leading the offense.

But please, I'd love to see your list of 'countless' teams here

Well other than when Matt Flynn had some monster games against high caliber teams, but hey don't let that fact mess up your narrative.

 

[swhitset]

Well other than when Matt Flynn had some monster games against high caliber teams, but hey don't let that fact mess up your narrative.

Remember, the quality of the QB has nothing to do with this narrative. Aren’t you paying attention?

 

[Mavster]

Ok, first off Foles is not a "backup" QB, how many times do we gotta say that? Just quit calling him a backup cuz that's just bullsh*t.

And how many times do we gotta say that Bradford is garbage fire? He is a big time garbage fire who has had no winning seasons and can't even hang onto his job in Arizona now. Do not EVER EVER call him a good QB.

And also, Pats were rolling with Garropolo not Brissett idiot.

Was Foles not the backup quarterback for Philly? And is he not the backup QB now? Not sure what else he needs to do to qualify as a backup in your eyes.

I'm not really sure what Bradford you watched. He tossed 20Td and only 5 ints with Minny the season prior to him going down. That's hardly a garbage fire

Brissett played 3 games for the Pats back in 2016. Maybe you didn't watch football then. It's even more impressive as Brissett was a 3rd stringer who stepped in and performed adequately for NE.

 

[Mavster]

Well other than when Matt Flynn had some monster games against high caliber teams, but hey don't let that fact mess up your narrative.

Games that happened nearly a decade ago?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Was Foles not the backup quarterback for Philly? And is he not the backup QB now? Not sure what else he needs to do to qualify as a backup in your eyes.

I'm not really sure what Bradford you watched. He tossed 20Td and only 5 ints with Minny the season prior to him going down. That's hardly a garbage fire

Brissett played 3 games for the Pats back in 2016. Maybe you didn't watch football then. It's even more impressive as Brissett was a 3rd stringer who stepped in and performed adequately for NE.

Of course you would make up all this kerfuffle, that's what you MM haters do. You put out fictional statements to support your views.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Games that happened nearly a decade ago?

You were talking about McCarthy's whole tenure, and it was about 5 years ago moron. Hardly long ago.

 

[Mavster]

You were talking about McCarthy's whole tenure, and it was about 5 years ago moron. Hardly long ago.

Another personal attack from this guy? Why so angry? Plus Flynn was last a Packer in 2011. It's 2018.

 

[Mavster]

Of course you would make up all this kerfuffle, that's what you MM haters do. You put out fictional statements to support your views.

What is fictional here? I don't hate MM. I just think he's a slightly worse version of Andy Reid. We need a new OC with fresh ideas.

 

[PackAttack12]

Another personal attack from this guy? Why so angry? Plus Flynn was last a Packer in 2011. It's 2018.

Not taking sides, but Flynn was a Packer in 2013. He filled in for the last 5 games Rodgers sat out when he broke his collarbone.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

What is fictional here? I don't hate MM. I just think he's a slightly worse version of Andy Reid. We need a new OC with fresh ideas.

Wait, Andy Reid running the Kansas City undefeated team has no new ideas?

 

[sschind]

Do you understand that no matter the offensive scheme a linebacker ending up covering a receiver was a result of a mistake on defense???

I think that may be where we are making our mistakes. We are putting our WRs up against their defensive backs when we should be putting them up against their linebackers.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Ridiculous and it doesn't refute Captain's statement one bit.

Wait a second. You honestly thought I needed a cogent, logical argument to refute a statement that McVay has a magic button in his playbook? I thought we were being a little tongue-in-cheek on that one but if you insist. Players aren't controlled by magic buttons in their coaches' playbooks. Everyone knows the Illuminati controls everything.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Nope, if you actually look through the play design that the Rams used against the Vikes, that matchup was not a mistake, it was the scheme that forced the linebacker to cover the receiver.

Just beyond stupid to even suggest such a thing.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Just beyond stupid to even suggest such a thing.

Seriously, you're contending that it's impossible for offensive playcallers to use scheme to create mismatches?!

 

[Mavster]

Wait, Andy Reid running the Kansas City undefeated team has no new ideas?

Andy Reid is pretty well known for his lack of post season success and SBs. His teams just can't quite ever get over the hump. 9+ wins every year as the Chiefs HC. Good coach who doesn't grab the headlines a lot. I feel like we're in a similar situation right now with MM. the Chiefs are obviously humming on offense right now despite starting a brand new rookie QB. And we're floundering with a 2 time MVP at QB. Hence why I said MM was a slightly worse version. Andy Reid is a bit heftier though so he loses that battle.

I guess I'll have to clarify my cristicms a little better. I didn't intend to come off as saying MM is garbage by any means lol.

 

[Poppa San]

despite starting a brand new rookie QB

2nd year not rookie. Helps your arguments if you get the basic facts reasonably accurate and the easy to cite ones totally accurate.

July 21, 2017: Kansas City Chiefs signed QB Patrick Mahomes II to a four-year, $16.4 million contract.

 

[ARPackFan]

Well other than when Matt Flynn had some monster games against high caliber teams, but hey don't let that fact mess up your narrative.

Didn't Aaron Rodgers call the offense in that game?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-flynn-calls-plays-during-backup-qbs-big-day

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Nope, if you actually look through the play design that the Rams used against the Vikes, that matchup was not a mistake, it was the scheme that forced the linebacker to cover the receiver.

It's impossible to force an opponent to cover a receiver with a linebacker.

Yeah, because he has Rodgers making GREAT throws through tight windows. Seriously, MM won the NFL lottery. He was a very good coach blessed with a QB who would develop into the best in NFL history and a great defense in 2010.

Once again, McCarthy deserves a ton of credit for Rodgers developing into an elite quarterback though.

He's succeeded despite missing various members on offense, but they've had absolutely no success without him. The facts are there, they just go ignored.

It's a fact the Packers averaged 28.7 points with Flynn starting six games. Of course you continue to ignore it.

Some offenses have WRs wide open EVERY play.

That's the most ridiculous statement I've read on this forum in a while. Maybe you should watch entire games of other teams instead of solely the highlights.

It's only irrelevant because you don't like what the stat indicates.

Philly found success with Foles last year and even won the SB with him, the Pats stayed alive (went 3-1?) with Jacoby Brissett at QB while Brady was suspended.

While Foles was a backup last season with the Eagles you have to consider that he was a starter in the league before, even leading the league in paser rating once in 2013 while throwing 27 touchdowns with only two interceptions.

The Patriots went 1-1 with Brissett starting.

Seriously, you're contending that it's impossible for offensive playcallers to use scheme to create mismatches?!

It's definitely possible for a play caller to create mismatches but a linebacker ending up covering a receiver one-on-one is a mistake by the defense.

 

[Packer96]

I think the packers showed us what they think by who got the longer term contract. If MM is considered so wonderful why is his contract set up so he can be dumped after this year? Who uses innovative to describe our offense? No one. Old, stale, run downfield 10 yards, get open, that's our offense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think the packers showed us what they think by who got the longer term contract. If MM is considered so wonderful why is his contract set up so he can be dumped after this year? Who uses innovative to describe our offense? No one. Old, stale, run downfield 10 yards, get open, that's our offense.

The Packers would have fired McCarthy instead of signing him to a one-year extension if the front office thought he wasn't up to the task anymore.

As a side note, I hate it when receivers get open 10 yards down the field as well

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's impossible to force an opponent to cover a receiver with a linebacker.


It's a fact the Packers averaged 28.7 points with Flynn starting six games. Of course you continue to ignore it.


It's definitely possible for a play caller to create mismatches but a linebacker ending up covering a receiver one-on-one is a mistake by the defense.

Creating mismatches forces the defense to do something on-the-fly that they weren't expecting to, that's how the offensive playcaller can force (or vastly increase the likelihood) of the defense making a mistake. Motion, unexpected formations, etc. can force the defense to adjust and then defenders are thinking and outside their comfort zones and that's where guys suddenly aren't covered or are covered by someone in a blatant mismatch.

I haven't forgotten what MM did with Flynn. I'm just not focused on seven years ago as my defense of MM.

 

[Mondio]

I remember one of those games with Brisset, agains the texans. I think they had 2-3 good runs by the running back and he completed maybe 1 pass worth noting and that was all they had to do to win.

Creating mismatches forces the defense to do something on-the-fly that they weren't expecting to, that's how the offensive playcaller can force (or vastly increase the likelihood) of the defense making a mistake. Motion, unexpected formations, etc. can force the defense to adjust and then defenders are thinking and outside their comfort zones and that's where guys suddenly aren't covered or are covered by someone in a blatant mismatch.

I haven't forgotten what MM did with Flynn. I'm just not focused on seven years ago as my defense of MM.

anyway, What specifically, did the Rams do I those 2 plays you have a ***** about? You can start with just giving the alignment they were in