Mike Pettine's Defence

[rmontro]

Yes. I don’t think McCarthy is a moron. I just think his offense is kind of stale and doesn’t add a lot of value relative to other offensive coaches.

McCarthy is clearly not a idiot, we won a Super Bowl with him. Defenses caught up with him, and he had a talent drain. The bad thing about McCarthy is he seems to have some blind spots.

 

[gopkrs]

Pettine had at least one 3 man rush and gave up 9 yards with zero pressure. I just cannot feel good about him when he wants to keep trying it. He should just shelve that awful call. But dinosaurs get set in their ways. Really no way Houston should have been able to have any semblance of a comeback attempt.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Pettine had at least one 3 man rush and gave up 9 yards with zero pressure. I just cannot feel good about him when he wants to keep trying it. He should just shelve that awful call. But dinosaurs get set in their ways. Really no way Houston should have been able to have any semblance of a comeback attempt.

To be fair though, he kept them out of the end zone though when the offense and special teams put him on a short field and got the big 4th down stop to setup the final dagger score.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm not suddenly giving Pettine the keys to the kingdom. But I can give him and the defense a little credit where due.

Now Shawn Menenga on the other hand, big time fail.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

McCarthy is clearly not a idiot, we won a Super Bowl with him. Defenses caught up with him, and he had a talent drain. The bad thing about McCarthy is he seems to have some blind spots.

He's also now had two QBs go down with Dak injured and then Dalton getting concussed today. Ugly.


I think Cowherds analysis of the team right now is accurate. He was talking about what MM is working with and it's not good.

 

[thisisnate]

Wonder if Dallas would draft a QB if they end up picking in the top 5 or 10?

 

[Dantés]

McCarthy is clearly not a idiot, we won a Super Bowl with him. Defenses caught up with him, and he had a talent drain. The bad thing about McCarthy is he seems to have some blind spots.

While he may be a good leader and talent developer, I don't really think McCarthy adds value on a schematic level. His offense is basically predicated on being really, really good at QB, OL, and WR and having your guys win their one-on-one matchups. When he has the pieces, the offense certainly works. But obviously it isn't remarkable, relative to other NFL coaches, to be successful with great personnel.

So in short, I don't really believe his system lends itself to working around deficiencies, elevating talent, or masking weaknesses. And I think this is why McCarthy has no coaching tree having success around the league despite many years of success in Green Bay.

 

[Dantés]

SO GLAD that Mike Pettine remembered all that stuff about coaching that he forgot last week.

He must have read the forum.

 

[rmontro]

His offense is basically predicated on being really, really good at QB, OL, and WR and having your guys win their one-on-one matchups. When he has the pieces, the offense certainly works. But obviously it isn't remarkable, relative to other NFL coaches, to be successful with great personnel.

So in short, I don't really believe his system lends itself to working around deficiencies, elevating talent, or masking weaknesses.

I agree it appears McCarthy's schemes only seem to work if he has the right talent in place to run them. But I guess that's better than not working when he has the right people in place lol.

 

[Dantés]

I agree it appears McCarthy's schemes only seem to work if he has the right talent in place to run them. But I guess that's better than not working when he has the right people in place lol.

That's right. And we all know that there are NFL coaches who, even when they have the pieces, can't make it work. So that's not nothing. But one thing that separates great coaches in my opinion is the ability to add value schematically. I think LaFleur has been doing that this season.

 

[PackerDNA]

I think LaFleur is well on his way to being a great coach in this league.

 

[GleefulGary]

Capers took the blame for TT's abysmal ability to pick defensive players. Gute has better players but it's been shown that how many weak spots a team has matters more than how many strengths. Packer's defense is weak at corner #2-4, ILB, DE, and safety. Savage has been terrible this year, King has been mediocre and injured, and ILB is unchanged.

Savage has not been terrible, and King has been above average when healthy.

 

[rmontro]

That's right. And we all know that there are NFL coaches who, even when they have the pieces, can't make it work. So that's not nothing.

I'll say this for McCarthy. Despite all their problems, Dallas' offense leads the league in yards (10th in points). And Dak Prescott leads all QBs in yards, despite not even playing today.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But one thing that separates great coaches in my opinion is the ability to add value schematically. I think LaFleur has been doing that this season.

MLF didn't achieve that against the only good defense the Packers have faced so far against the Bucs either.

 

[Dantés]

I'll say this for McCarthy. Despite all their problems, Dallas' offense leads the league in yards (10th in points). And Dak Prescott leads all QBs in yards, despite not even playing today.

Yes-- give him the pieces and the offense will work.

 

[Dantés]

MLF didn't achieve that against the only good defense the Packers have faced so far against the Bucs either.

His offense was working until Rodgers made a bad decision, and Adams let one go off his hands. That took them out of the gameplan. If anything, the Tampa game illustrates how important it is for the team to stay on schedule so that they can stay within the system.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wonder if Dallas would draft a QB if they end up picking in the top 5 or 10?

Sounds like they still think that Dak is the future of the franchise, so unless there is a hiccup in his predicted recovery or contract negotiations, which can't take place until after the season is over I believe, I doubt they use a top pick on a QB.

Guessing Dak probably wishes he would have signed the reported 5 year deal that would have averaged around $35 million a year with slightly more than $110 million guaranteed.

 

[thisisnate]

Guessing Dak probably wishes he would have signed the reported 5 year deal that would have averaged around $35 million a year with slightly more than $110 million guaranteed.

Yeah... sad. He bet on himself and lost in a big way through no fault of his own.

 

[swhitset]

Yeah... sad. He bet on himself and lost in a big way through no fault of his own.

I understand what you meant... but it is his fault that he didn’t sign that contract ... As you said he “bet” on himself when the sure thing was right there to take. I’d say it certainly was his fault for making that decision.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think Dak will probably have to settle for that original offer or close to it. The Cowboys are kind of stuck too, since they probably won't have the ability to trade him. Let's say they get the #1 pick and are eye balling Trevor Lawrence in the draft, they would have to trade Dak to justify the pick. But in order to trade him, they have to get him under some kind of contract first and if that contract isn't favorable to his new team, who wants to trade for him? The Cowboys, Dak and his new team would have to figure out an agreed upon contract and then pull the trigger. I would think that the contract guarantees would have to be written to kick in after the trade was made, otherwise the Cowboys would be on the hook for any upfront signing money.

 

[Mondio]

If i'm Dallas and I have the #1 pick it's not even a question in my mind. Take the QB you think it going to be your franchise player. From the looks of prescotts injury there is more than a fleeting thought he may never be the same again after. It could be a multiple year recovery or none at all. Or he could not miss a beat, but i'm not spending 20-30 million a year to find out. I'd rather gamble on my #1 draft pick at a much lower rate and let someone else worry about signing Dak.

 

[swhitset]

If i'm Dallas and I have the #1 pick it's not even a question in my mind. Take the QB you think it going to be your franchise player. From the looks of prescotts injury there is more than a fleeting thought he may never be the same again after. It could be a multiple year recovery or none at all. Or he could not miss a beat, but i'm not spending 20-30 million a year to find out. I'd rather gamble on my #1 draft pick at a much lower rate and let someone else worry about signing Dak.

That is certainly possible... but my feeling is that Jerry tries to sign Dak.

 

[gbgary]

was better yesterday even with the absent players. there was a little more pressure and a little more tight coverage.


dak should bolt from dallas lol. the team and management sucks. they've pretty much quit on mccarthy and company. lol

 

[gbgary]

If i'm Dallas and I have the #1 pick it's not even a question in my mind.

yup. they've screwed themselves by breaking the bank for so many players that, once they got their money, have regressed.
as for them getting the #1 pick...it's a bad year to be bad. there are several teams tanking.

 

[rmontro]

dak should bolt from dallas lol. the team and management sucks. they've pretty much quit on mccarthy and company. lol

They must be weak minded, it took the Packers years to quit on McCarthy.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Savage has not been terrible, and King has been above average when healthy.

Savage has been pretty bad, he's certainly taken a large step back this year; part of that might be injuries but he's not the player he was last year. King has been adequate at times but he's also not playing as well as he did last season (not to mention he's not currently playing at all). King, as he has for most of his career, is playing like a good third corner, not a good second corner.