Mike Pettine's Defence

[Mondio]

I have been a big fan of Packers for more than two decades and I have come to a point to speak up; few things have to be done right away to have any chance of Aaron Rodgers (who I rate more than Brady) winning at least one more ring.

1. Revisit the whole Packers ownership structure, having a majority owner will lead to a better roster and accountability
2. Fire the front office as they have done nothing recently to help Aaron Rodgers
3. Fire most of the defense, who always say we have to go and look at the tape, it is hard to tackle in the open field, etc. after losing the games. Well, how many times we keep saying the same stuff?

If none of the above happens, I wouldn't be surprised to hear/see Aaron Rodgers moving to a different organization and winning at least one more ring, which he deserves!

Yeah, like Dallas...

 

[rmontro]

If none of the above happens, I wouldn't be surprised to hear/see Aaron Rodgers moving to a different organization and winning at least one more ring, which he deserves!

Well, that would give him a one up on Favre.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Hear me out... Tomorrow Gutey calls Clay Matthews and Dontari Poe. Clay plays inside, Poe helps beef up the line to stop the run. We need to stop the bleeding.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have been a big fan of Packers for more than two decades and I have come to a point to speak up; few things have to be done right away to have any chance of Aaron Rodgers (who I rate more than Brady) winning at least one more ring.

1. Revisit the whole Packers ownership structure, having a majority owner will lead to a better roster and accountability
2. Fire the front office as they have done nothing recently to help Aaron Rodgers
3. Fire most of the defense, who always say we have to go and look at the tape, it is hard to tackle in the open field, etc. after losing the games. Well, how many times we keep saying the same stuff?

First, welcome to the Forum.

So make the team a privately owned team, fire everybody and erase what is great tradition in Green Bay and for the most part a winning tradition because the Packers are 5-2 and had a bad game today? Have you watched any of the Cowboys games? Look back at Detroit's history. Cleveland.....

It's really hard to fire "most of the defense", who would play the next 10 games?

I know you didn't mean this stuff literally, but just trying to meet you half way there with some humor.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

HOWEVER, the fault needs to fall at the feet of Gute as well. We've continually threw draft capital at DB's and left glaring holes all throughout the defense and this past year WASTED 3 picks to begin the year on positions that could have added some talent

Gutekunst shouldn't be blamed for Thompson's inability to adequately address the cornerback position before he took over as the team's general manager. It's true that he deserves criticism for using this year's first four picks on backups though.

Oh trust me, I'm ready to kick our awful GM out of here as well. After he blew major picks this last offseason, I shudder to think of what he might do to waste these next years picks. We need a competent outsider to get in here who actually knows what he's doing.

Fire Pettine now, and then Fire Gute at season end.

Gutekunst has done a pretty good job in free agency over his tenure but his drafts seem to have resulted in mediocre talent acquired at best.

There's no reason for fans to call for his firing at this point though.

This. Give me the next great young defensive mind , like the guy in Tampa.

Bowles hasn't been able to field a decent defense before this season for quite some time as well.

Revisit the whole Packers ownership structure, having a majority owner will lead to a better roster and accountability

That's a terrible idea as mist likely the Packers wouldn't stay in Green Bay for an extended period of time after a rich owner took over the team.

Hear me out... Tomorrow Gutey calls Clay Matthews and Dontari Poe. Clay plays inside, Poe helps beef up the line to stop the run. We need to stop the bleeding.

Matthews playing inside wouldn't improve the defense at all.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Gutekunst shouldn't be blamed for Thompson's inability to adequately address the cornerback position before he took over as the team's general manager. It's true that he deserves criticism for using this year's first four picks on backups though.



Gutekunst has done a pretty good job in free agency over his tenure but his drafts seem to have resulted in mediocre talent acquired at best.

There's no reason for fans to call for his firing at this point though.



Bowles hasn't been able to field a decent defense before this season for quite some time as well.

Sick of that ridiculous excuse. Thompson has been gone for 3 years now giving him plenty of time to fill every single damn one of the holes on this team. Aside from Lazard, he's given us complete sh-t at WR, nothing on the DL, and only about average at ILB, OL. And even at CB, yeah he made a terrific pick with Alexander, but seems to have grabbed another Ahmad Caroll with Josh Jackson.

Drafting mediocre talent in and of itself is a fireable offense, and his approach so far to early round picks is garbage. ENOUGH OF THIS!!!!

 

[906Fan]

Wade Phillips is currently unemployed.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If there is such a thing as a "predictable defense", I am going to say Pettine's has become just that. Vikings seemed to know exactly what the defense was doing yesterday and whether Cousins was audibling to the play that best attacked it or they just plain knew what Pettine was calling when they sent the play in, something has to change. Cook is a really good running back, but the Packer defense just had no answers to something they went into the game as their #1 priority to stop.

 

[tynimiller]

It's true that he deserves criticism for using this year's first four picks on backups though.

Not nit-picking, but in fairness you point out when others are wrong. Our first two picks were clear back ups, and not even the #1 back-up at their positions but the 2nd. Deguara was the "starter" at the H-Back out the gate, but I concede not a starter in the terms we all discuss.

Our 4th pick, Kamal, was by all accounts slated to be a starter until his injury, and now back is illustrating why. So really just our first 3 picks, one may argue 2.5 picks were for back ups.

*Edited, wait, I gotcha - you're including our 4th round draft selection we traded away in the four. If that is the case, I'm back on board and understand - apologies for the confusion.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

If there is such a thing as a "predictable defense", I am going to say Pettine's has become just that. Vikings seemed to know exactly what the defense was doing yesterday and whether Cousins was audibling to the play that best attacked it or they just plain knew what Pettine was calling when they sent the play in, something has to change. Cook is a really good running back, but the Packer defense just had no answers to something they went into the game as their #1 priority to stop.

Truer words were never spoken. I just have to wonder exactly how many plays Pettine knows because seems like there's just about never any new looks or strategies being tested. Just none.

NOW, to the posters who talk about player execution and all, yeah I agree we do got some players with bad instincts on blitzes and gap assignments, or in many cases bad tackling technique. But if coaches don't change their approach and do something differently, opposing offenses will figure out how to get around even great players.

I'm on board with firing Pettine mid season because at this point, someone on our staff would surely simplify and draw something up differently.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gutekunst has done a pretty good job in free agency over his tenure but his drafts seem to have resulted in mediocre talent acquired at best.

There's no reason for fans to call for his firing at this point though.

Totally agree with this assessment. While it is still a bit premature to grade out Gutes 3 drafts, their seems to be a pattern....and it isn't that good of one.

2018:

• Solid to great: J. Alexander (1st rd.)
• Good players: Scott (5) Bradley (7)
• Busted already: J. Moore (4th) Madison (5th) Looney and Donnerson (7th)
• Trending Down: Jackson (2) Burks (3) MVS (5) EQ (6)

2019:

• Solid to great: Jenkins (2)
• Average for round picked: Savage (1)
• Nothing great yet: Gary (1)
• Not enough Info: Sternberger (3) Keke (5) Hollman (6) Summers (7)
• Trending Down: Dexter Williams (6)

2020:

• Not one player has yet to jump out and impress me. Martin is so far the best surprise, given that he was a 5th round pick.

 

[PackerDNA]

Yep. It's said that the draft is the lifeblood of any team. In which case, we need a transfusion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But if coaches don't change their approach and do something differently, opposing offenses will figure out how to get around even great players.

Yup and some of the posts about the game made me think about this very statement. There were several posts showing and talking about Preston Smith lining up very wide and criticizing Pettine for it. First, Smith was covering Viking TE Rudolph. Have seen him do that before, he has been asked to cover TE's and RB's in Pettine's defense. But should Pettine be having him jump way out there if the need arises? Vikings liked it, they had a run play called, they wanted to clear Smith out, knowing he is a much better run stopper than Z. Dog. Smart film study and call on the Vikings part having Rudolph virtually remove Preston from the play.

 

[gopkrs]

Wade Phillips is currently unemployed.

I don't want older guys. I would like someone that keeps up with what is happening. That understands new offenses and that can adjust during the game. And someone who has relegated the 3 man rush to the trash bin.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Boy this isn't a good plug for Pettine

"“That’s what embarrasses the hell out of me to be honest with you,” Ryan said Monday morning on the show ‘Get Up.’ “My defenses never played like that. And I know, hey I get it, all the cheese in Wisconsin. But that’s Swiss cheese. It stinks and it’s got tons of holes in it."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robrei...ive-coordinator-mike-pettine/?sh=2851050e57ae

 

[gatorpack]

Boy this isn't a good plug for Pettine

"“That’s what embarrasses the hell out of me to be honest with you,” Ryan said Monday morning on the show ‘Get Up.’ “My defenses never played like that. And I know, hey I get it, all the cheese in Wisconsin. But that’s Swiss cheese. It stinks and it’s got tons of holes in it."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robrei...ive-coordinator-mike-pettine/?sh=2851050e57ae

I want to see more of this. This defense is pathetic when it counts.

 

[PackerDNA]

Oddly enough, the best help for the defense might be in getting a wide receiver. The chiefs couldn't stop the run last year either, but with their offense it didn't matter. A consistently powerful offense to keep the defense off the field and take teams out of the running game is the best bet at this point. There is too much wrong with this defense to be able to fix now.

 

[Mondio]

I wouldn't necessarily say he was calling out Pettine as much as he was the players for not putting up any resistance when getting punched in the face and maybe some of the coordinators that Mike has assembled to implement his plans. When he says, "come on mike, go coach them yourself" I think it's saying he knows pettine is a better defensive coach than the product on the field.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oddly enough, the best help for the defense might be in getting a wide receiver. The chiefs couldn't stop the run last year either, but with their offense it didn't matter. A consistently powerful offense to keep the defense off the field and take teams out of the running game is the best bet at this point. There is too much wrong with this defense to be able to fix now.

I gave you an agree, but even a decent addition at WR might not be enough. I'm starting to think we are a few players short on both sides of the ball. So just a WR, it would all depend on how long it would take said WR to get in sync with Rodgers and the offense and then of course, injuries, but all teams deal with that. I still hope that the defense can improve, but a really good offense is going to just shred that sh*t up if it stays like it is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wouldn't necessarily say he was calling out Pettine as much as he was the players for not putting up any resistance when getting punched in the face and maybe some of the coordinators that Mike has assembled to implement his plans. When he says, "come on mike, go coach them yourself" I think it's saying he knows pettine is a better defensive coach than the product on the field.

“My defenses never played like that... It’s the mentality of it man. It’s horrible the way the linebackers are keying. “But you guys stink when it counts. I don’t know who’s coaching the inside ‘backers (Kirk Olivadotti), but my God! Mike Pettine you better go coach ‘em yourself."

If you see that as mainly calling out the players read it again. If my former Boss said those things, I would take that as a direct criticism of me and the guys that....I....hired and helped to coordinate the way they coach.

A motivational attempt by a former boss? Maybe, but I see him calling out Pettine and his product, more than the players.

 

[Mondio]

so why tell him to go coach them himself if he doesn't think he can do it?

 

[PackerDNA]

I gave you an agree, but even a decent addition at WR might not be enough. I'm starting to think we are a few players short on both sides of the ball. So just a WR, it would all depend on how long it would take said WR to get in sync with Rodgers and the offense and then of course, injuries, but all teams deal with that. I still hope that the defense can improve, but a really good offense is going to just shred that sh*t up if it stays like it is.

I agree with you expanding on the point. I think we're probably a total of four or five difference Maker type players away.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

so why tell him to go coach them himself if he doesn't think he can do it?

A nice way of saying "you are a smart guy, but aren't doing so well getting your coaches to coach". A DC's job is not necessarily to individually instruct players as much as it is to individually instruct his coaches. When DB's don't look good, you go to the DB coaches, when the DL is struggling, you look to those coaches. When the whole defense is struggling, you go to who?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree with you expanding on the point. I think we're probably a total of four or five difference Maker type players away.

Agree and if you look carefully at our last 6 or so drafts and years of free agent signings, its pretty obvious why we are in that position. Too many busts or lack of adequately addressing a few positions.

 

[gopkrs]

I hope LaFleur has some constructive ideas about all of this.