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He is precisely what he is. Unless he adds hands in the off season, we truly have to live with 50% completion percentage.

If he gets better hands he is a cheat code.
 

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Back to his usual tricks, I see. Good TD followed by... You know what.

He's really pushing the limits of tolerance.
I know. That was a horrendous drop. He let the bears back into the game with that botch job. The guy needs to look the ball into his hands. Needs to focus.
 

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Guys he had a 72 yard TD. Sure he dropped a pass, but let's not pretend other receivers have dropped crucial catches. Including Adams. We won and got the number 1 seed. This seems a bit excessive. Geez.
 

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That drop was huge. I thought he turned a corner a few weeks ago. Looking much more confident out there in everything he was doing. Better body control , routes, stronger hands to the ball etc. even jet sweep tonight, planted his foot and got some yards. No tentativeness at all. And then that drop. Damn

still valuable but he could really be special with consistency.
 

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Guys he had a 72 yard TD. Sure he dropped a pass, but let's not pretend other receivers have dropped crucial catches. Including Adams. We won and got the number 1 seed. This seems a bit excessive. Geez.

Stop.. just stop.

We are more than able to criticize MVS for the consistent 50/50 drops on WIDE OPEN targets he gets. It'd be one thing if these are tough contested catches but they are literally right on the 83 number, and it happens consistently for multiple seasons now
 

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Stop.. just stop.

We are more than able to criticize MVS for the consistent 50/50 drops on WIDE OPEN targets he gets. It'd be one thing if these are tough contested catches but they are literally right on the 83 number, and it happens consistently for multiple seasons now
No because what I don't understand for the life of me is that we've CLEARLY established he's not a number 2 or 3 receiver. We KNOW what to expect out of him, and yet people are constantly *****ing about him dropping a pass that ultimately didn't cost us the game. For God's sake he caught a 72 yard TD, but it's like that won't satisfy some of you. The dude did ok. Would it have been nice if he caught it? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna complain after we blew out a team and got the Number 1 seed. He had a decent evening. My expectations isn't through the roof, and Im pretty sure you guys will be feeling silly if he comes up big in the playoffs. Time will tell. I wish you would just let it go. Geez.
 
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No because what I don't understand for the life of me is that we've CLEARLY established he's not a number 2 or 3 receiver. We KNOW what to expect out of him, and yet people are constantly *****ing about him dropping a pass that ultimately didn't cost us the game. For God's sake he caught a 72 yard TD, but it's like that won't satisfy some of you. The dude did ok. Would it have been nice if he caught it? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna complain after we blew out a team and got the Number 1 seed. He had a decent evening. My expectations isn't through the roof, and Im pretty sure you guys will be feeling silly if he comes up big in the playoffs. Time will tell. I wish you would just let it go. Geez.

I expect any WR who is on the field to be able to catch WIDE OPEN balls. If you can't do that, you deserve criticism. You guys keep pointing to his 72 yrd TD.... great you caught an open perfectly placed ball, you should do that EVERY TIME no matter your placement on the depth chart.
 

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He definitely has the curse of Jermichael "paddlehands" Finley...they wear gloves that are sticky to boot which makes it even worse.
 

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I expect any WR who is on the field to be able to catch WIDE OPEN balls. If you can't do that, you deserve criticism. You guys keep pointing to his 72 yrd TD.... great you caught an open perfectly placed ball, you should do that EVERY TIME no matter your placement on the depth chart.
And I expect a QB being touted as the greatest passer ever and a first ballot HOFer being pinpoint on all his passes but we get what we get.
 
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No because what I don't understand for the life of me is that we've CLEARLY established he's not a number 2 or 3 receiver.
He plays a lot more games for a No 4 receiver. So let's no pretend he's one. He should be...but in reality, he is not currently.
 

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And I expect a QB being touted as the greatest passer ever and a first ballot HOFer being pinpoint on all his passes but we get what we get.
Okay this is taking it a step too far :D

Don't EVER put Rodgers and MVS in the same breath as far as mistakes made in a game.
 

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No because what I don't understand for the life of me is that we've CLEARLY established he's not a number 2 or 3 receiver. We KNOW what to expect out of him, and yet people are constantly *****ing about him dropping a pass that ultimately didn't cost us the game. For God's sake he caught a 72 yard TD, but it's like that won't satisfy some of you. The dude did ok. Would it have been nice if he caught it? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna complain after we blew out a team and got the Number 1 seed. He had a decent evening. My expectations isn't through the roof, and Im pretty sure you guys will be feeling silly if he comes up big in the playoffs. Time will tell. I wish you would just let it go. Geez.
The problem is...he's at worst the #3 WR target, sometimes #2 on any given Sunday. So we have to judge him by that criteria. Additionally, it didn't cost the Packers the game today, but it could in the playoffs.

This is the kind of stuff I've been talking about. I've been beating my head against the keyboard (figuratively), trying to explain to some who like to be apologists for everything that this could be a big issue in big games.

It isn't just tonight. It's a season's worth of sample size of dropping bunnies and fumbling the football in crucial moments. It's fine to judge a player for "what they are", but ultimately, "what they are" could bite the team square in the hind end when it matters most.

I tried not to be too ******* MVS tonight, but it's hard not to point out the obvious.

He's extremely valuable as a deep threat that opens up the field, and as a run blocker, but if he can't catch routine balls like the one he dropped tonight, all of that other "good stuff" gets thrown out the window fast.
 

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The problem is...he's at worst the #3 WR target, sometimes #2 on any given Sunday. So we have to judge him by that criteria. Additionally, it didn't cost the Packers the game today, but it could in the playoffs.

This is the kind of stuff I've been talking about. I've been beating my head against the keyboard (figuratively), trying to explain to some who like to be apologists for everything that this could be a big issue in big games.

It isn't just tonight. It's a season's worth of sample size of dropping bunnies and fumbling the football in crucial moments. It's fine to judge a player for "what they are", but ultimately, "what they are" could bite the team square in the hind end when it matters most.

I tried not to be too ******* MVS tonight, but it's hard not to point out the obvious.

He's extremely valuable as a deep threat that opens up the field, and as a run blocker, but if he can't catch routine balls like the one he dropped tonight, all of that other "good stuff" gets thrown out the window fast.
I get that but at the same time, he caught a 72 yard TD. That's pretty good for a number 3 receiver is it not? He had a pretty decent game, but people are flipping their **** simply b/c he missed an open pass. It's unfortunate, but it didn't cost us ultimately. If he missed both deep balls you'd have me and I can understand why some people would go in ******* him. But he had a decent day, for what I expect of him. If anyone expected more, then they Idk what to tell them.
 

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I mean in all reality we should have cut Jordy and Jones after those drops in the SB. It was a huge game and they almost lost it for us. Should have cut them and never looked back.:rolleyes:
 

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I get that but at the same time, he caught a 72 yard TD. That's pretty good for a number 3 receiver is it not? He had a pretty decent game, but people are flipping their **** simply b/c he missed an open pass. It's unfortunate, but it didn't cost us ultimately. If he missed both deep balls you'd have me and I can understand why some people would go in ******* him. But he had a decent day, for what I expect of him. If anyone expected more, then they Idk what to tell them.
Again, this is about the season as a whole, not just today. How would you assess his season?

Did his fumble in overtime at Indy not potentially cost the Packers the game?
 

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No because what I don't understand for the life of me is that we've CLEARLY established he's not a number 2 or 3 receiver. We KNOW what to expect out of him, and yet people are constantly *****ing about him dropping a pass that ultimately didn't cost us the game. For God's sake he caught a 72 yard TD, but it's like that won't satisfy some of you. The dude did ok. Would it have been nice if he caught it? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna complain after we blew out a team and got the Number 1 seed. He had a decent evening. My expectations isn't through the roof, and Im pretty sure you guys will be feeling silly if he comes up big in the playoffs. Time will tell. I wish you would just let it go. Geez.

That kind of missed opportunity will cost us the game eventually. That was a very important drive that would’ve really set the tone for the rest of the game. We’ve all heard every week how important the first drive of the half can be. That ball was dropped into the perfect spot and he blew it. He lacks concentration and that’s inexcusable. The Packers face Breese or Brady or Wilson and miss opportunities like that and they will watch the SB from home again. Those plays MUST be made. The same can be said for the dropped interceptions as well. King cost us 3 on that one, too. Are they human? Yes, but they are also professionals and those plays are why they get payed.
 

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I get that but at the same time, he caught a 72 yard TD. That's pretty good for a number 3 receiver is it not? He had a pretty decent game, but people are flipping their **** simply b/c he missed an open pass. It's unfortunate, but it didn't cost us ultimately. If he missed both deep balls you'd have me and I can understand why some people would go in ******* him. But he had a decent day, for what I expect of him. If anyone expected more, then they Idk what to tell them.
This is the NFL... he caught a perfectly thrown pass that literally would have been difficult to drop. He showed in the second one that he can and will drop them. We are not his parents and you don’t get participation trophies in the NFL. He needs to catch most of those if he wants to stay in the NFL. A lot of deep balls can be difficult to catch due to the defender and the placement of the ball and the adjustments needed to get to it. This was not that... the ball dropped right into place for him... and he alligator armed it. Just saying that it’s ok because he’s not a number 2 or 3 receiver is silly. Actually that is exactly what he is on this team. What some of us are saying is that he shouldn’t be.
 

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Again, this is about the season as a whole, not just today. How would you assess his season?

Did his fumble in overtime at Indy not potentially cost the Packers the game?
Alright b/c you're referring to his overall performance this season. I'll address it in that manner.

Alright going into the season, the season prior to this one really shook my faith in regards to MVS. Nevertheless I choose not to abandon him and pretend like he was a lost cause. But my expectation for him was very low. This season he got around nearly 700 yards and had 6 TDs. Not amazing, but definitely around where I expected him to be, maybe have double amount of TDs perhaps. However, upon realizing he's simply a deep threat and nothing more as the seasons went my expectations lowered as it was clear he wasn't a number 2, let alone 3.

As for the game against Indy, I feel everyone was a bit too ******* him personally. We do forget that he was the one that made that clutch catch that got us down field, and had Rodgers not focused his attention to Adams and looked at Tonyan, we would be praising the dude as a hero. Then he made that costly fumble, which I find the fumble done by Sheppard to be more unforgiveable. Hell people were so pissed at him b/c of that one mistake people in our fandom (Packer Nation) were sending him death threats!

Ultimately I feel MVS is easily the butt monkey of the group. When he plays well he never gets his just due because the expectation for him is so high when it shouldn't be. But when he plays bad we harp on him. When he has a decent day like today, people STILL harp on the bad rather than acknowledge that he had a decent day by reasonable standards.

That's my thoughts.
 

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This is the NFL... he caught a perfectly thrown pass that literally would have been difficult to drop. He showed in the second one that he can and will drop them. We are not his parents and you don’t get participation trophies in the NFL. He needs to catch most of those if he wants to stay in the NFL. A lot of deep balls can be difficult to catch due to the defender and the placement of the ball and the adjustments needed to get to it. This was not that... the ball dropped right into place for him... and he alligator armed it. Just saying that it’s ok because he’s not a number 2 or 3 receiver is silly. Actually that is exactly what he is on this team. What some of us are saying is that he shouldn’t be.
And yet some of us had the temerity to suggest upgrades should have been made to the position group, and that relying solely on internal improvement might not be good enough to contend for a championship.
 

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This is the NFL... he caught a perfectly thrown pass that literally would have been difficult to drop. He showed in the second one that he can and will drop them. We are not his parents and you don’t get participation trophies in the NFL. He needs to catch most of those if he wants to stay in the NFL. A lot of deep balls can be difficult to catch due to the defender and the placement of the ball and the adjustments needed to get to it. This was not that... the ball dropped right into place for him... and he alligator armed it. Just saying that it’s ok because he’s not a number 2 or 3 receiver is silly. Actually that is exactly what he is on this team. What some of us are saying is that he shouldn’t be.
I get that but again what was the expectations? If you didn't see the games or the highlights and saw his stats for the game, you would think he had a pretty decent game for someone as inconsistent as him would you not? Please understand I don't like that he dropped an easy pass, but had he DID catch that and scored, then he would've easily surpassed everyone's expectation for today's game right?

All I'm saying is that his performance today didn't cost us a win, so let's be grateful. If he has a huge performance in the playoffs I'm sure this will be a thing of the past. My expectations are low, but I am hoping for the best.
 

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Alright b/c you're referring to his overall performance this season. I'll address it in that manner.

Alright going into the season, the season prior to this one really shook my faith in regards to MVS. Nevertheless I choose not to abandon him and pretend like he was a lost cause. But my expectation for him was very low. This season he got around nearly 700 yards and had 6 TDs. Not amazing, but definitely around where I expected him to be, maybe have double amount of TDs perhaps. However, upon realizing he's simply a deep threat and nothing more as the seasons went my expectations lowered as it was clear he wasn't a number 2, let alone 3.

As for the game against Indy, I feel everyone was a bit too ******* him personally. We do forget that he was the one that made that clutch catch that got us down field, and had Rodgers not focused his attention to Adams and looked at Tonyan, we would be praising the dude as a hero. Then he made that costly fumble, which I find the fumble done by Sheppard to be more unforgiveable. Hell people were so pissed at him b/c of that one mistake people in our fandom (Packer Nation) were sending him death threats!

Ultimately I feel MVS is easily the butt monkey of the group. When he plays well he never gets his just due because the expectation for him is so high when it shouldn't be. But when he plays bad we harp on him. When he has a decent day like today, people STILL harp on the bad rather than acknowledge that he had a decent day by reasonable standards.

That's my thoughts.
It seems you spend a lot of time identifying with a player. My perspective is what would be best for the team. Your entire post above is talking about fairness to MVS... This is professional football.
 

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It seems you spend a lot of time identifying with a player. My perspective is what would be best for the team. Your entire post above is talking about fairness to MVS... This is professional football.
That's a fair point. I won't try to argue otherwise, but in regards to the football team he has contributed to our victories...*sigh* As well as a loss unfortunately.
 

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Alright b/c you're referring to his overall performance this season. I'll address it in that manner.

Alright going into the season, the season prior to this one really shook my faith in regards to MVS. Nevertheless I choose not to abandon him and pretend like he was a lost cause. But my expectation for him was very low. This season he got around nearly 700 yards and had 6 TDs. Not amazing, but definitely around where I expected him to be, maybe have double amount of TDs perhaps.
If you ever expected him to have 12 touchdowns then you had too high of expectations.

However, upon realizing he's simply a deep threat and nothing more as the seasons went my expectations lowered as it was clear he wasn't a number 2, let alone 3.
Again, you say he's not even a #3, yet he's arguably the #2 wide receiver option on this team. Kind of tough to square that peg.

As for the game against Indy, I feel everyone was a bit too ******* him personally. We do forget that he was the one that made that clutch catch that got us down field, and had Rodgers not focused his attention to Adams and looked at Tonyan, we would be praising the dude as a hero. Then he made that costly fumble, which I find the fumble done by Sheppard to be more unforgiveable. Hell people were so pissed at him b/c of that one mistake people in our fandom (Packer Nation) were sending him death threats!
I never engaged in the death threats and thought that portion of the criticism was disgusting. Anyone that participated in that trash need to re-evaluate what's most important in their life and not take a game so seriously.

That being said, Darrius Shepard got cut because of his mistakes. The fact that we have him and MVS in the same sentence is a little concerning to me.

Ultimately I feel MVS is easily the butt monkey of the group. When he plays well he never gets his just due because the expectation for him is so high when it shouldn't be. But when he plays bad we harp on him. When he has a decent day like today, people STILL harp on the bad rather than acknowledge that he had a decent day by reasonable standards.

That's my thoughts.
I give MVS plenty of due. Many may not, but I certainly do. His catch early on in this game was phenomenal. But the drop on the second encounter was seriously as elementary as it gets. An absolute bunny. No distraction, no hands to break the pass up, no one cutting his path off, nothing. He had a solid couple of steps on his defender, Rodgers placed the ball in the bread basket, and he flat dropped it.

I'm never going to expect 100% conversion rate, but point blank balls have to be caught.

All and all, he's dropped a lot of very easy balls this year that have killed drives. Balls like tonight kill momentum. And fumbles like in the Indy game kill games. And that's the type of thing that can more than easily help to bite a team in the *** in the playoffs.
 

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If you ever expected him to have 12 touchdowns then you had too high of expectations.


Again, you say he's not even a #3, yet he's arguably the #2 wide receiver option on this team. Kind of tough to square that peg.


I never engaged in the death threats and thought that portion of the criticism was disgusting. Anyone that participated in that trash need to re-evaluate what's most important in their life and not take a game so seriously.

That being said, Darrius Shepard got cut because of his mistakes. The fact that we have him and MVS in the same sentence is a little concerning to me.


I give MVS plenty of due. Many may not, but I certainly do. His catch early on in this game was phenomenal. But the drop on the second encounter was seriously as elementary as it gets. An absolute bunny. No distraction, no hands to break the pass up, no one cutting his path off, nothing. He had a solid couple of steps on his defender, Rodgers placed the ball in the bread basket, and he flat dropped it.

I'm never going to expect 100% conversion rate, but point blank balls have to be caught.

All and all, he's dropped a lot of very easy balls this year that have killed drives. Balls like tonight kill momentum. And fumbles like in the Indy game kill games. And that's the type of thing that can more than easily help to bite a team in the *** in the playoffs.
All great points. I know with you PackAttack12 your assessments are fair and whatnot, but maybe it's because I've seen plenty of people drag his name in the dirt and act like he's a bonafide scrub, is probably why I'm the way I am with him.

Again my hopes for MVS the previous season was that he was going to be our number 2 receiver, so again I did say that my expectations were low upon realizing he wasn't going to be a number 2 going into this season. I probably should've worded that better my bad. But MVS did where I expected him to do. And while he plays the number 2 or number 3 we all know that he's actually a number 4 in disguise if that makes sense. Unfortunately he's playing a position where there are high expectations of him. So I do understand where you and the others are coming from.

As for the Sheppard/MVS comparison, I don't see how you can compare the two as aside from that fumble MVS has proven to be more of an asset to this team unlike Sheppard. Hell he even lead the team in receiving one game if I'm not mistaken.

I know you are objective with your assessment in regards to MVS, but not everyone necessarily has. Not just here but in general.
 
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