Joe Barry is our new DC

[PackAttack12]

It would be nice if there were something glowing about his resume other than, "well their players weren't very good, so what did you expect?"

This is still my favorite sentence in this whole thread.

 

[Team Ronny]

Eh, last year the defense was average over the entire season with a spectacular breakdown by Kevin King in the final game of the year. I'm not going to claim Gute was amazing, or even good, but I do question how a team with major holes at corner, ILB, and DE has more than enough to consistently field a good defense. Packers currently field good safeties, one elite CB, elite OLBs, and an elite DT; defenses are made or broken based on the number of holes they have and the Packers defense currently has many.

That's the point I was making. They traded up for a qb..when they could have drafted Queen..who would have filled a huge hole..and had a solid rookie season. The trade also cost them a 4th rd pick which could have been used on a cb or dt..2 other positions of need. I mean if he wasn't willing to give Pettine more talent..what makes us think Barry will get more talent? Maybe he can communicate a little better or bring better assistant coaches who can get these guys to play better.

 

[PikeBadger]

That's the point I was making. They traded up for a qb..when they could have drafted Queen..who would have filled a huge hole..and had a solid rookie season. The trade also cost them a 4th rd pick which could have been used on a cb or dt..2 other positions of need. I mean if he wasn't willing to give Pettine more talent..what makes us think Barry will get more talent? Maybe he can communicate a little better or bring better assistant coaches who can get these guys to play better.

Gutekunst has 10 picks in the upcoming draft. Do you think all 10 are going to be offensive players?

 

[rdawsoniii]

Calling for his head for giving up a first down? What planet did you drop in from?

I never said that. Stop lying.

 

[Team Ronny]

Gutekunst has 10 picks in the upcoming draft. Do you think all 10 are going to be offensive players?

I never said they would be. They should have gone all in for 20 season..but didn't..how do we know they will this time?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gutekunst has 10 picks in the upcoming draft. Do you think all 10 are going to be offensive players?

Stop teasing me!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Would you care to elaborate who is the potentially decent corner currently under contract for next season?

Stanford Samuels was a 3-year starter at FSU, has great size, appears to have played well in a zone scheme, and is only 21; I'm not willing to say he's going to be terrible just yet. Hence, "potentially".

 

[PackinMSP]

I never said they would be. They should have gone all in for 20 season..but didn't..how do we know they will this time?

I, and many others 100% agree here.... BUT....

Rodgers looked "old" in 2019... he just did, I mean lots of missed passes, bad throws, etc

I don't think any could have foreseen the "return" of Aaron Rodgers so sharply in 2020. I mean, some did obviously lol, but I mean how would the FO and management know?

I mean for the most part, he looked like 2011-2014 Aaron Rodgers again in 2020... in 2019, not so much....lol

Now if we can add a WR, Aaron might throw for 50 touchdowns next year.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

idk why everyone thinks that Preston smith will be a cap casualty cut. If they got rid of him and they and Gary started and either him or z got hurt they don’t have have much behind him and Preston smith was covering a lot if anyone rmbrs the Vikings game at home he was playing corner like wtf lmao but I still like smith and think he is worth the 7-8 mil for sure

Smith might be worth it but cutting Smith and being able to spend that money on a position of greater need (ahem, CORNERBACK!) would appear to be the better move. Having 3 OLBs isn't as valuable as having 2 CBs.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Gutekunst has 10 picks in the upcoming draft. Do you think all 10 are going to be offensive players?

I get that it's more impactful to say "10 picks" but let's be honest, pretending to expect near-term help from guys selected in the 4th round or later is not a good strategy; sure, those guys sometimes turn out great but that should be viewed as a pleasant surprise, not an expectation. If the Packers are looking for immediate help in the draft, I would expect that would need to come in the first 2 rounds since the places the Packers needs help the most happen to be the two most important positions on defense (corner and dline).

 

[PackinMSP]

Smith might be worth it but cutting Smith and being able to spend that money on a position of greater need (ahem, CORNERBACK!) would appear to be the better move. Having 3 OLBs isn't as valuable as having 2 CBs.

I think they try to draft another CB honestly though.... so the CB won't be super expensive.. You can draft a stud young/rookie CB and he can do fine (look at J'aire his rookie year)

Especially if we run some Tampa 2 hybrid where he has some help

I think the money needs to be spent on DL help to pair with Clark

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think they try to draft another CB honestly though.... so the CB won't be super expensive.. You can draft a stud young/rookie CB and he can do fine (look at J'aire his rookie year)

Especially if we run some Tampa 2 hybrid where he has some help

I think the money needs to be spent on DL help to pair with Clark

Then you're starting a rookie at corner and your third corner is a complete unknown that probably won't be very good. The Packers need to be trying to add another starter through free-agency while also drafting a corner with the hope he can become the starter during the season. Dline is also important but I think having a proven guy as the second corner would better for the defense.

 

[PackinMSP]

Then you're starting a rookie at corner and your third corner is a complete unknown that probably won't be very good. The Packers need to be trying to add another starter through free-agency while also drafting a corner with the hope he can become the starter during the season. Dline is also important but I think having a proven guy as the second corner would better for the defense.

Chandon Sullivan has done fine as the Nickel. When Raven Greene comes back, we will have another option in Nickel/Dime packages

 

[PackinMSP]

I mean if we can get someone like Patrick Peterson (who is a FA i think this year btw) to pair with J'aire, that would be FANTASTIC.

But I'm guessing that that would cost too much

Troy Hill may be a good fit

Breeland maybe? who was okay with us a few years ago

Not interested in older guys like Sherman, Norman, or McCourty

 

[Team Ronny]

I, and many others 100% agree here.... BUT....

Rodgers looked "old" in 2019... he just did, I mean lots of missed passes, bad throws, etc

I don't think any could have foreseen the "return" of Aaron Rodgers so sharply in 2020. I mean, some did obviously lol, but I mean how would the FO and management know?

I mean for the most part, he looked like 2011-2014 Aaron Rodgers again in 2020... in 2019, not so much....lol

Now if we can add a WR, Aaron might throw for 50 touchdowns next year.

I think alot had to do with the new offense..and maybe the rest of the guys weren't picking it up as quickly as AR.

 

[GleefulGary]

Chandon Sullivan has done fine as the Nickel. When Raven Greene comes back, we will have another option in Nickel/Dime packages

Sullivan was mediocre.

Greene is a sub package LB, or he was with Pettine.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers need to be trying to add another starter through free-agency while also drafting a corner with the hope he can become the starter during the season.

As nice as that sounds, I don't think the Packers will be able to afford a Free Agent CB that would be considered good enough to be a starter. I think they are going to have a hard enough time retaining enough of their own players and figure out a way to still meet the cap limit, that shopping for high end free agents like a starting CB won't be plausible, at least in the initial stages of Free Agency.

Now what could and I think most likely happens this year in Free Agency is a Ted Thompson Wet Dream. Due to a lower than predicted cap, the initial free agency period is going to be a buyers market, with few buyers having the pick of the liter on top free agents, but still probably having to pay "going rates." After the dust settles, there should still be a huge supply of players that went unsigned. This is when the TT's of the NFL salivate and swoop in for some bargain deals.

So sure, they might find some bargain 1 year deals on CB's, DL, WR's etc. but they still are going to have to scrimp and save to do it and definitely will have to cut some of their own fat in the process.

 

[PackinMSP]

I think alot had to do with the new offense..and maybe the rest of the guys weren't picking it up as quickly as AR.

Right, that too obviously

 

[PackinMSP]

I mean if we paired Patrifk Peterson with J'aire that would be phenomenal, but I don't think we will be able to do that
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But who knows? He may take a pay cut to play for a SB? But talk about completely different weather and climate

 

[swhitset]

Did you give MLF one season for the offense? People have such unrealistic expectations I wonder if they’re really fans of football and how they became one with such little understanding for what it takes to be successful

Some haven’t even given Lefleur credit after 2 consecutive 13-3 seasons ... so yeah.

 

[PackinMSP]

Honestly I feel Barry was brought in to help grow the ILBs, install the scheme which would benefit someone like King

 

[PackinMSP]

Sullivan was mediocre.

Greene is a sub package LB, or he was with Pettine.

I wouldn't say mediocre. He's no Micah Hyde type but he's a decent 3rd or 4th DB option to cover

 

[GreenNGold_81]

While you could be right by saying "it very well could be the players just not figuring it out", that is a sure sign you have coaching issues. You can't replace the entire defense and as you correctly pointed out, we have some pretty decent talent on Defense. Blaming it on youth isn't the right way to go either, since the Packers had mostly seasoned guys playing on defense last year.

I just don't think Pettine had the right stuff to be a great DC. Whether it was his system, his film study, his calls during a game, etc. it just all didn't add up to a winning formula with the current team. They gave him 3 years and he didn't fully get the job done, next up!

Well, he had three years without competent inside linebacking play. Our GM's haven't been able to find a halfway decent ILB for sometime now. It spoke volumes when a UDFA was our starter last year.

 

[PackinMSP]

Well, he had three years without competent inside linebacking play. Our GM's haven't been able to find a halfway decent ILB for sometime now. It spoke volumes when a UDFA was our starter last year.

Exactly. I think this was the key thing to bringing in Barry over Elviro (sp?)... My guess is they believe he can help develop the ILBers

Also if it's a Tampa 2 type scheme, may benefit King... or we could even possibly get Richard Sherman (who is a FA) to pair with J'Aire, which would be pretty sweet too!

 

[Dantés]

They actually regressed from 23.7 to 23.9. But regardless, the difference for me is essentially a wash one way or the other. Point is, not very impressive in your 2nd year on the job, given the resources allocated to his unit.

Oh, my mistake. I was looking at the wrong row on pro football reference.

But yeah, the point is the same-- the defense saw a marked improvement when he took over in 2015, but was basically static in 2016. In the offseason, they had drafted Sua Cravens and Kendall Fuller in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, and spent big on Josh Norman. My guess as to why he was let go is that the defense didn't make a big stride in that season. I still don't think his personnel was good, but that's eye of the beholder, I suppose.

I'm curious why people are focusing on the static performance between '15 and '16, but ignoring the improvement between '14 and '15.