Joe Barry is our new DC

[Mondio]

I'm less than enthused I guess, but i've felt that way before only to be blown away by things. So as usual, I'll wait to see what they do on the field. But being this was the only thing I had to look forward to Packer wise this offseason, I feel let down. Kind of the like the real regular season

I don't know anything about the guy, but I just have this feeling that if this is they type of person we where going to hire, why even move on from Pettine?

 

[Dantés]

So if we're only to look at scoring defense, how did they improve slightly with the improvements, given that they went from 17th to 19th?

People can look at whatever they want to. I just personally see scoring defense as a much more relevant stat.

So the Redskins actual ppg allowed dropped slightly from 2015 to 2016, though their rank went the other way.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Thing is as people keep saying we don`t know much about the guy. Okay, he hasn`t been a great success in the past but how much free reign did he have in his previous jobs ? I`m for giving the guy at least a chance ! If he sucks, we wheel in the next one later. JMHO

 

[lambeaulambo]

Didn't this guy play for the Bucks?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Didn't this guy play for the Bucks?

Could be worse !

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not surprised at Leonhard turning the DC job offer down. I think JL's next job will be as a HC at the college level.

Barry seems to be second choice for the Packers. I didn't know much about the guy going into the process, but just have to trust that MLF and Gute know what is best for the team.

Go Pack Go!

 

[easyk83]

Patriots fans circa 2000:

"Bill Belicheck !? Nice retread, that guy failed hard in Cleveland. This is how basement dwellers stay basement dwellers!"

 

[rdawsoniii]

As I already stayed, I hate this hire. But.....I will give him one season. If the Packers do not make the Super Bowl I will be calling for him to be fired.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As I already stayed, I hate this hire. But.....I will give him one season. If the Packers do not make the Super Bowl I will be calling for him to be fired.

That is mighty generous of you!

There will be some calling for his head after the defense gives up a first down 2 minutes into the first game of the 2021 Season.

 

[rdawsoniii]

That is mighty generous of you!

There will be some calling for his head after the defense gives up a first down 2 minutes into the first game of the 2021 Season.

And why not? When you are on the cusp of a Super Bowl, you make changes to put the team over the hump. Pettine wasn’t the guy as DC, so you fire him and replace him with.......a proven (and multiple) DC failure???? What is the justification and reasoning behind this horrible hire? I would much rather get a young, motivated unknown, than a tired old retread with a track record of failure.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Oh well, lets get the pitchforks and torches out

 

[Pugger]

And why not? When you are on the cusp of a Super Bowl, you make changes to put the team over the hump. Pettine wasn’t the guy as DC, so you fire him and replace him with.......a proven (and multiple) DC failure???? What is the justification and reasoning behind this horrible hire? I would much rather get a young, motivated unknown, than a tired man old retread with a track record of failure.

Fans also moaned when McCarthy was hired because he didn't have much success elsewhere either. Look, I'm not thrilled either but I'm gonna give the guy a chance.

 

[rdawsoniii]

Fans also moaned when McCarthy was hired because he didn't have much success elsewhere either. Look, I'm not thrilled either but I'm gonna give the guy a chance.

So am I.......one season.

 

[Poppa San]

As I already stayed, I hate this hire. But.....I will give him one season. If the Packers do not make the Super Bowl I will be calling for him to be fired.

No matter it is a top 5 defense and the offense was decimated by injuries?

 

[Mondio]

So am I.......one season.

Did you give MLF one season for the offense? People have such unrealistic expectations I wonder if they’re really fans of football and how they became one with such little understanding for what it takes to be successful

 

[longtimefan]

Did you give MLF one season for the offense? People have such unrealistic expectations I wonder if they’re really fans of football and how they became one with such little understanding for what it takes to be successful

Spoiled fans

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

Is he going to run the same system that he had in Detroit or Washington? I think that's the question. Will he keep the same positional coaches that we have now or is he going to raid the cupboards of the Rams defensive coaching staff?

Yes, I agree. If he is going to run a different system and also brings some coaches from the Rams with him this could turn out to be a pretty good hire, but there are some concerns. Sounds like guy from Wisconsin was their number one choice and he was the fallback option. With that being said, while I don't know much about the candidates, I don't know why they didn't go after Ejiro Evero, he sounded like the best candidate to me. At the very least he should have been the second choice.

Here is some perspective on the hire:

The Packers Hire Joe Barry As Defensive Coordinator Reaction & Breakdown - YouTube

 

[PackAttack12]

People can look at whatever they want to. I just personally see scoring defense as a much more relevant stat.

So the Redskins actual ppg allowed dropped slightly from 2015 to 2016, though their rank went the other way.

They actually regressed from 23.7 to 23.9. But regardless, the difference for me is essentially a wash one way or the other. Point is, not very impressive in your 2nd year on the job, given the resources allocated to his unit.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Hopefully it's not a case of Evero not taking the job because he missed out on being our top selection. I think what makes this all disappointing is that the report from Leonhard hit the press. Like who cares you didn't take the job...

 

[Snoops]

Hopefully not call Cover 1 with 8 seconds left in the half at our 40 and the opponent with no timeouts.

I've said numerous times that DCs need to be evaluated for their play calling, not the personnel decisions; I don't believe in just looking at defensive rankings and drawing conclusions based solely on those rankings. I hope Barry is phenomenal. That being said, MLF has taken quite a risk in hiring a guy that has only ever lead terrible defenses. Again, the personnel was probably terrible in those instances and I would imagine that Barry had the second best plan and ideas of all the DCs that were interviewed....but those rankings, whew! MLF taking a little job risk with this hire.

Interesting ...

Honestly if Its some hybrid 3-4 Tampa 2 I would LOVE that as I think we have the personnel for that with 2 good safeties, fast middle linebackers (can they cover?) and this would actually "fit" Kevin Kings skillset better if we keep him

Obviously you let J'aire do his thing

Preston Smith is likely gone, although he did play under Barry before so who knows now

idk why everyone thinks that Preston smith will be a cap casualty cut. If they got rid of him and they and Gary started and either him or z got hurt they don’t have have much behind him and Preston smith was covering a lot if anyone rmbrs the Vikings game at home he was playing corner like wtf lmao but I still like smith and think he is worth the 7-8 mil for sure

 

[Snoops]

Lets bet

They make playoffs this year 500 bucks

As long as Rodgers doesn’t get hurt in the first ten games lol

 

[Firethorn1001]

idk why everyone thinks that Preston smith will be a cap casualty cut. If they got rid of him and they and Gary started and either him or z got hurt they don’t have have much behind him and Preston smith was covering a lot if anyone rmbrs the Vikings game at home he was playing corner like wtf lmao but I still like smith and think he is worth the 7-8 mil for sure

Being $20M+ over the cap and barring significant restructures of contracts, someone is getting cut. Biggest bang for the buck for savings is P. Smith.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Correct me if I am wrong but the same thing was said when Pettine came in and people praised him for doing exactly this. I am not an X and O guy but it seemed to me that the defense was already pretty dumbed down. So its either our players on defense are not the brightest ones or Pettine made a bad job at communicating his defense. Also the 12 men on the field in the last drive was clearly on purpose, you shouldnt count that.

Now, I dont know that much Barry but if he is a good communicator and teacher, he might work out. One thing that was praised about Evero is exactly that and thats why I hoped they take him.
Barry gets the benefit of the doubt from me because Staley decided to bring him to the Chargers, along with a minor promotion. He also worked under some pretty good defensive minds in the league and hopefully developed enough to overcome his shortcomings from his previous two gigs at DC. My guess to why Packers brin him in is that he changed his prefered system to a similar system the Rams ran under Staley, which was really really successful. Packers did the same thing with MLF so lets hope it pans out.

Its a really tough hire to sell, especially after Leonhard denied the Packers, still pissed about this.

It very well could be the players just not figuring it out. To be fair a majority of the defensive players are pretty young so there may be more of a learning curve with them as opposed to veteran guys. But that's still something we'd need to figure out is making sure we aren't throwing too much on the table for these guys under 25 years old.

I think you are thinking about the offsides penalty being on purpose which I was for, not the 12 man penalty.

And as far as talent I think the Packers aren't far away from the Rams defensively. I'd say Jaire and Jalen Ramsey are pretty comparable. Obviously Aaron Donald is better than anyone we have in the front 7 but between Kenny Clark, Zadarius, and Gary, I think it can be a very solid group up front. So maybe this system that was used with the Rams could work.

 

[PikeBadger]

And why not? When you are on the cusp of a Super Bowl, you make changes to put the team over the hump. Pettine wasn’t the guy as DC, so you fire him and replace him with.......a proven (and multiple) DC failure???? What is the justification and reasoning behind this horrible hire? I would much rather get a young, motivated unknown, than a tired old retread with a track record of failure.

Calling for his head for giving up a first down? What planet did you drop in from?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It very well could be the players just not figuring it out. To be fair a majority of the defensive players are pretty young so there may be more of a learning curve with them as opposed to veteran guys. But that's still something we'd need to figure out is making sure we aren't throwing too much on the table for these guys under 25 years old.

While you could be right by saying "it very well could be the players just not figuring it out", that is a sure sign you have coaching issues. You can't replace the entire defense and as you correctly pointed out, we have some pretty decent talent on Defense. Blaming it on youth isn't the right way to go either, since the Packers had mostly seasoned guys playing on defense last year.

I just don't think Pettine had the right stuff to be a great DC. Whether it was his system, his film study, his calls during a game, etc. it just all didn't add up to a winning formula with the current team. They gave him 3 years and he didn't fully get the job done, next up!