Joe Barry is our new DC

[rdawsoniii]

So no bet?

Talk a big game, now we know how you roll

I’ll bet $1000.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

after his "bend don't break" defense let Tampa score in the final seconds of the first half, Capers had to go. My god, that alone was unforgivable in my book.

LOL....I made the same mistake but caught myself and changed it to "Pettine".

 

[longtimefan]

I’ll bet $1000.

Lmao!

 

[GleefulGary]

I’ll bet $1000.

Yo, you for real?

Let’s say as long as no serious injuries to major players (like Rodgers)...you still down?

 

[pacmaniac]

So the remainder of Rodgers' career is likely tied to Joe Barry. Let's hope he surprises us.

 

[PackinMSP]

So the remainder of Rodgers' career is likely tied to Joe Barry. Let's hope he surprises us.

Rodgers is playing until he's 49, got another 12 years or so

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

he's got a point though

Look at Scotland, pubs have been closed for a year because of covid and we qualify for our first major tournament since 1998, and beat englandshire at Twickenham for the first time since 1983

GGGGRRRRRR !

 

[GreenReign]

So why not Quinn? Richard? Why someone who has never had a D ranked higher than 28th? Makes zero sense.

 

[longtimefan]

So why not Quinn? Richard? Why someone who has never had a D ranked higher than 28th? Makes zero sense.

28 is yards..scoring was middle of the bunch

 

[GleefulGary]

So why not Quinn? Richard? Why someone who has never had a D ranked higher than 28th? Makes zero sense.

Dan Quinn has a job at the moment.

 

[Dantés]

So why not Quinn? Richard? Why someone who has never had a D ranked higher than 28th? Makes zero sense.

Well as to why not those two names in particular, that Seattle Cover 1/Cover 3 defense has largely been figured out and exposed around the league. It isn't even working that well in Seattle any more. Hiring someone to install a system that's on the down slope would have been a questionable move.

The reason that Barry was hired, I suspect, is to bring the system from LA/Denver/Pre-2020 Chicago to Green Bay.

 

[easyk83]

Well as to why not those two names in particular, that Seattle Cover 1/Cover 3 defense has largely been figured out and exposed around the league. It isn't even working that well in Seattle any more. Hiring someone to install a system that's on the down slope would have been a questionable move.

The reason that Barry was hired, I suspect, is to bring the system from LA/Denver/Pre-2020 Chicago to Green Bay.

If Gary takes another step we could have the horses to make that sort of pressure oriented defense(Denver) work. I could see Z and Gary fulfilling the roles of DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller.

 

[GleefulGary]

If Gary takes another step we could have the horses to make that sort of pressure oriented defense(Denver) work. I could see Z and Gary fulfilling the roles of DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller.

Holy cow. Completely forgot Ware played for Denver.

 

[Dantés]

If Gary takes another step we could have the horses to make that sort of pressure oriented defense(Denver) work. I could see Z and Gary fulfilling the roles of DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller.

I was referencing the most recent Broncos teams, under Fangio.

Those really good Miller/Ware defenses happened under Del Rio, and later Phillips. Now Barry has worked under Phillips as well, so that could be an influence on what he does here.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Barry, like any other DC, will be judged ultimately by how his defense performs. What happened at his previous stops in the NFL, good or bad, will not be a factor.

LaFleur, for whatever reason, seems to like him. LaFleur has been right more often than not since he's been here, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

How it all works out remains to be seen.

 

[Pugger]

If Gary takes another step we could have the horses to make that sort of pressure oriented defense(Denver) work. I could see Z and Gary fulfilling the roles of DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller.

Didn't Preston Smith play for Barry? I don't think we have too many pass rushers.

 

[Team Ronny]

Rodgers is playing until he's 49, got another 12 years or so

If he plays til 49..Brady will probably play til he is 55

 

[Team Ronny]

I hear Barry is much more aggressive, and a pretty good teacher/communicator. He also has never had this much talent. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Dantés]

Didn't Preston Smith play for Barry? I don't think we have too many pass rushers.

Yes, he did. He was a rookie under Barry in 2015 and had 8 sacks. He also played under him in 2016 and had 4.5.

Strangely, that up and down dynamic has been Preston's MO.

2015: 8
2016: 4.5
2017: 8
2018: 4
2019: 12
2020: 4

Maybe the Packers need to find a way to keep him! He's due.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Well as to why not those two names in particular, that Seattle Cover 1/Cover 3 defense has largely been figured out and exposed around the league. It isn't even working that well in Seattle any more. Hiring someone to install a system that's on the down slope would have been a questionable move.

The reason that Barry was hired, I suspect, is to bring the system from LA/Denver/Pre-2020 Chicago to Green Bay.

I fear the reason that Barry was hired was nepotism.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...-example-of-the-nfls-rampant-nepotism-problem

Barry's career appears to be based mainly on friends and relatives giving him jobs; and now, another coach he worked with is giving him yet another shot.

Hopefully he's learned some things but this hire isn't exactly screaming "well reasoned".

 

[Dantés]

To think that LaFleur is more interested in hiring a buddy than hiring the guy he believes gives him the best chance to win... that he would bring Evero all the way to the finalists table and then choose someone he thinks less of...

I mean-- none of you or the people covering the Packers knew Evero's name a month ago, and now it's a scandal that he didn't get the job. What a farce.

People are getting really stupid over their disappointment with this hire.

They interviewed a bunch of people that they were interested in, and came away believing Barry was the best fit for what they want to do. How's that for a theory?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

To think that LaFleur is more interested in hiring a buddy than hiring the guy he believes gives him the best chance to win... that he would bring Evero all the way to the finalists table and then choose someone he thinks less off...

I mean-- none of you or the people covering the Packers knew Evero's name a month ago, and now it's a scandal that he didn't get the job. What a farce.

People are getting really stupid over their disappointment with this hire.

They interviewed a bunch of people that they were interested in, and came away believing Barry was the best fit for what they want to do. How's that for a theory?

Okay, so then give me the more well reasoned argument based on what we know.

 

[Dantés]

Okay, so then give me the more well reasoned argument based on what we know.

Jobs in coaching, like jobs in many, many industries, do often come down to relationships. Networking is a thing in virtually every job market. You can look at qualifications on paper, but the qualities of a person's character will have just as much to do with success/failure in the job. So it's not irrational or dastardly that coaches like to hire people they know and trust. LaFleur knows both Barry and Evero on a personal level. It's not as though one was a stranger to him and the other wasn't. And he clearly thinks highly of both-- they were two of the three finalists.

So my argument is this: The Packers interviewed the people they were interested in, and gave the job to the guy they liked the best of the bunch, who was willing to take it (Leonhard being the obvious reference with that last statement).

That's far more well-reasoned than "nepotism!!!"

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I fear the reason that Barry was hired was nepotism.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...-example-of-the-nfls-rampant-nepotism-problem

Barry's career appears to be based mainly on friends and relatives giving him jobs; and now, another coach he worked with is giving him yet another shot.

Hopefully he's learned some things but this hire isn't exactly screaming "well reasoned".

Man that article said A LOT.

I had to take a break from the forum to compose myself.

I don't like Barry, don't want him, but we're stuck with him.

If they wanted a LB coach to make these guys better, my top guy Jerod Mayo was available. But maybe like some of you surmise, it's all about the Phillips/Fangio/Staley system that LaFleur wants. Fair enough. But Evero came from that same system, why not try him?

I know Barry was with Derrick Brooks in Tampa, but Derrick Brooks is Derrick Brooks, to say that Barry "made" him is laughable. I'll say the same about Ryan Kerrigan in Washington, who was already a household name before Barry got there. During his time at USC, he produced one draft selection in Malcolm Smith, who was the 242nd Overall Pick in the 2011 Draft, but you could almost completely credit that more to Pete Carroll, who coached Smith from 07-09 at USC.

Looking particularly at his stint in Washington, he took a "C-" defense and maybe made it a "C" after additions through the Draft and Free Agency, how that justifies him deserving another shot, I fail to understand.

I get that Barry has had time under some great DCs, I also get that players and coaches alike call him "energetic" and "passionate", but none of that is a guarantee for success. At the end of the day, Barry has to be able to coach and call the defense. He has to be able to elevate the level of play of these guys on the field. I have yet to hear a single credit to Barry in that light. He seems to me to be just a "team guy", a guy you might like to be around, a guy who makes you feel good....but that's about it. Being a good guy/friend doesn't mean a thing about being successful on the field.

Again, we're stuck with him. So all I can do is be hopeful that LaFleur knows what he's doing and not just hiring somebody because he's been coaching a while and he's his friend. Barry's hiring and subsequent performance will let me know if LaFleur has truly matured into being a HC or just being a really good OC.

The Packers 2020 DRankings:

Yds - 9th
Pass - 7th
Run - 13th
Pts - 15th
Sacks - 10th
Ints - 18th

The minimum Barry has to do is hold serve, but if those rankings drop, I'm calling for his job and for MLF to be reigned in by Murphy on staff hires.

 

[Dantés]

Man that article said A LOT.

I had to take a break from the forum to compose myself.

I don't like Barry, don't want him, but we're stuck with him.

If they wanted a LB coach to make these guys better, my top guy Jerod Mayo was available. But maybe like some of you surmise, it's all about the Phillips/Fangio/Staley system that LaFleur wants. Fair enough. But Evero came from that same system, why not try him?

I know Barry was with Derrick Brooks in Tampa, but Derrick Brooks is Derrick Brooks, to say that Barry "made" him is laughable. I'll say the same about Ryan Kerrigan in Washington, who was already a household name before Barry got there. During his time at USC, he produced one draft selection in Malcolm Smith, who was the 242nd Overall Pick in the 2011 Draft, but you could almost completely credit that more to Pete Carroll, who coached Smith from 07-09 at USC.

Looking particularly at his stint in Washington, he took a "C-" defense and maybe made it a "C" after additions through the Draft and Free Agency, how that justifies him deserving another shot, I fail to understand.

I get that Barry has had time under some great DCs, I also get that players and coaches alike call him "energetic" and "passionate", but none of that is a guarantee for success. At the end of the day, Barry has to be able to coach and call the defense. He has to be able to elevate the level of play of these guys on the field. I have yet to hear a single credit to Barry in that light. He seems to me to be just a "team guy", a guy you might like to be around, a guy who makes you feel good....but that's about it. Being a good guy/friend doesn't mean a thing about being successful on the field.

Again, we're stuck with him. So all I can do is be hopeful that LaFleur knows what he's doing and not just hiring somebody because he's been coaching a while and he's his friend. Barry's hiring and subsequent performance will let me know if he's truly matured into being a HC or just being a really good OC.

The Packers 2020 DRankings:

Yds - 9th
Pass - 7th
Run - 13th
Pts - 15th
Sacks - 10th
Ints - 18th

The minimum Barry has to do is hold serve, but if those rankings drop, I'm calling for his job and for MLF to be reigned in by Murphy on staff hires.

Ok, real quick though.

Do you like the hire?