It’s now OFFICIAL!!! Rodgers has been traded to the Jets.

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would argue Gute's excuse to not get Aaron what he needed was that he attempted to mask his motives in the veil of building a shutdown defense on a discount. Campbell, Douglas, Jaire, Amos, drafting Savage/Gary/the UGA guys, etc. was his way of saying "Packer fans we're still trying to win" even though that wasn't REALLY what Gute was doing. He was playing both sides so as to give time for his young franchise player (Love) to develop, just as TT did decades ago with Rodgers...

I seriously doubt that this is the case. Building anything, whether it is a solid defense or offense isn't something you do over three seasons and keep for multiple seasons after that.

I would be more apt to say that Gute (and TT) neglected the offense due to Rodgers level of play being able to hide it's deficiencies. Basically, Rodgers did more with less.

I just don't see the motive of starting Love, as being strong enough to intentionally derail the offense.

 

[Pugger]

Gute didn't refill the cupboard with premium goodies that was the issue. When MLF came and in his rookie season they made a deep playoff run and instead of going after Jefferson they traded up to get Jordan Love the writing was on the wall. The Packers have been planning years ahead/trying to rebuild on the fly. The top priority has not been win a Super Bowl. The proof is in the specific moves they've made in the last 3 years to stay competitive but not sell out/go over the top to compete, which in many folks' eyes would have meant go get an additional stud wideout to pair with Adams. I mean, to rub it in all our faces they TRADED Davante away!

The Jets would be wise to get former Packers offensive skill players and pair them with guys like Mecole Hardman Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall, because that would be getting Aaron the best of both worlds-vets that know his scheme/audibles/standards of execution along with younger talent with speed and explosiveness so Rodgers can gunsling with the other hotshots in the conference.

Gute has turned over a regime, and it's finally complete with trading away Rodgers. But technically it's not as if Aaron had no one to play with, they just didn't give him enough to get that additional championship as a Packer-but in a way that was not accidental. Gute didn't want to mortgage the future for a guy he was hired to play bad cop with, and ultimately move on from...

There was no way we were going to get Jefferson in that draft. I doubt MN would be so accomodating. Plus we had to wheel and deal to move up 4 spots to take Love. We'd have to have pulled a 1999 Ditka deal to move up another 4 spots to get JJ.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Little tidbit-NYJ already has Malik Taylor on their roster who made some nice plays for the Packers years ago as a UFA...

If the Jets sign both Adams and Cobb, I doubt Malik Taylor makes the 53 and probably maybe not even the PS. He has 7 career receptions in 4 NFL Seasons. The Jets picked him up near the end of last season, doubt it had anything to do with Rodgers.

 

[Pugger]

Outside of Adams, the tools he had in more recent seasons just didn’t compare to the WR groups he had earlier in his career. And last year he had Watkins and a bunch of rookies who were often injured and leading the league in dropped passes. Disappointing for sure, but most rational people realize the rookie WRs take some time to develop, which turned last year into a rebuild-type season, at least offensively.

A WR or two going to the jets for some instant chemistry right out of the gate certainly can‘t hurt, but I don’t think there are too many people that would view them as anything more than that.

After assuming Rodgers' contract can NY even entertain going after FA WRs?

 

[pizzle]

If the Jets sign both Adams and Cobb, I doubt Malik Taylor makes the 53 and probably maybe not even the PS. He has 7 career receptions in 4 NFL Seasons. The Jets picked him up near the end of last season, doubt it had anything to do with Rodgers.

I wasn't suggesting they signed Taylor foreshadowing them going after Rodgers, I'm saying when Rodgers sat down with the Jets I'm sure the fact that he played with Taylor came up and he liked that he was a current member of their team-which in turn brought up the notion of their FO going to get guys he's played with previously so as to make the transition as seamless as possible giving the circumstances...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There was no way we were going to get Jefferson in that draft. I doubt MN would be so accomodating. Plus we had to wheel and deal to move up 4 spots to take Love. We'd have to have pulled a 1999 Ditka deal to move up another 4 spots to get JJ.

Hind site is always 20-20. The Packers could have selected a bunch of guys in 2020, instead of Love. Some of them might be studs, some of them might currently be riding a bench or washing cars.

The logic behind the Love pick has come to fruition, now lets see if he is as good as the Packers thought he might be. If he turns into another FHOF QB, then he would be more valuable to the Packers than most if not all the guys they would have had a shot at selecting.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

After assuming Rodgers' contract can NY even entertain going after FA WRs?

Yes. I believe they have or will restructure his deal, to minimize the 2023 cap hit. They could do the same with Davante.

Much like the Packers were doing the last 4 or so seasons, The Jets are in win now mode and will learn the art of kicking cans down the road.

 

[jetfixer]

I don't see how anyone can't be happy with this deal. As long as Aaron doesn't get hurt this season, there will be a 1st Rd pick next year coming back. If he doesn't play well or hit the 65% snaps, the Jets probably struggle and that 2nd Rd pick is most likely better or equal to the pick we are getting this year from them. To get this draft compensation for a 39 year old QB, not to mention moving away from that contract is a win. My hope is the Jets hang around late into the season for a playoff spot, then fall off at the end, missing the playoffs, giving the Packers a top 20 pick in 2024. I have no ill will towards Rodgers, he gave us 18 years of his career. It's just time to look to the future of the franchise.

Even if he gets hurt our pick will be between 20-40 IMO.

 

[MadCat]

After assuming Rodgers' contract can NY even entertain going after FA WRs?

I was referring to guys like Cobb and Lewis. Hadn’t really even considered Adams and just don’t see that happening.

 

[Magooch]

Yep, conditional is a win win for me.

He plays 10-12 games this year and it’s a first. No problem there.

If he doesn’t hit that number the Jets are going to have problems and will mostly likely end up being a fairly high-end 2nd. Picking at the top of the second round wouldn’t be so bad. Worst case scenario Rodgers doesn’t clear 65% and the jets are still very competitive and it ends up being a late bottom half 2nd but that seems unlikely

 

[Krabs]

Gute didn't refill the cupboard with premium goodies that was the issue. When MLF came and in his rookie season they made a deep playoff run and instead of going after Jefferson they traded up to get Jordan Love the writing was on the wall. The Packers have been planning years ahead/trying to rebuild on the fly. The top priority has not been win a Super Bowl. The proof is in the specific moves they've made in the last 3 years to stay competitive but not sell out/go over the top to compete, which in many folks' eyes would have meant go get an additional stud wideout to pair with Adams. I mean, to rub it in all our faces they TRADED Davante away!

The Jets would be wise to get former Packers offensive skill players and pair them with guys like Mecole Hardman Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall, because that would be getting Aaron the best of both worlds-vets that know his scheme/audibles/standards of execution along with younger talent with speed and explosiveness so Rodgers can gunsling with the other hotshots in the conference.

Gute has turned over a regime, and it's finally complete with trading away Rodgers. But technically it's not as if Aaron had no one to play with, they just didn't give him enough to get that additional championship as a Packer-but in a way that was not accidental. Gute didn't want to mortgage the future for a guy he was hired to play bad cop with, and ultimately move on from...

Jefferson was drafted before Love. They couldn't have gotten him. I'm also speaking more on the side of the fact that these guys want to go to the Jets and they really are that great of tools.

 

[pfcmsh]

I sure hope Love can carry on and be our 3rd Hall of Fame quarterback. I'm ok with trading Rogers. I feel he might have given less than his best in the past few seasons.

 

[Dantés]

I'm late to this, but I'll just say that this was a masterful job by Gutekunst.

The argument that the Packers didn't hold all the leverage here always presumed that the Jets were the only team that might be interested. As soon as there were rumblings about other teams jumping in, that all crumbled.

The other thing I will say is this: the offensive supporting cast that Rodgers is joining is not good.

The OC is terrible, the line has the potential to be flat out bad, the stud RB is coming off a torn ACL, and for all the talk of "weapons everywhere," they have Garrett Wilson and their next best pass catcher is Allen Lazard.

There's a real chance that Rodgers is downgrading in terms of offensive support when you fact the OL and the coaching. And if Hackett just allows him to embrace all his worst on-field tendencies, which seems likely, this is going to get ugly.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I feel he might have given less than his best in the past few seasons.

I think he gave it his all, but injuries and his mindset might have been responsible for him being less than spectacular at times last season. I do think Rodgers sensed that 2023 was his last season in GB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One thing I will be interested to watch, is how Rodgers meshes with a completely new offense. A big knock most of his career in GB was that it took him time to establish chemistry with his receivers. This is his opportunity to squash that criticism. While he is familiar with Allen Lazard, he will have to connect with the rest of the Jets WR's, TE's, RB's, as well as his new offensive line. Couple that with a new playbook and HC, I expect growing pains and lots of Rodgers eye rolls along the way.

 

[OldSchool101]

I feel moving up 2 spots in the 1st Rd brings OL in the 1st more into play. Jets and Patriots both were potential OL landing spots.

If, on the other hand, there is a run on the position before pick #13, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Pack trade back. It likely depends on how many QBs come off the board early.

I’ve said the same thing. We really almost want Bijan and 4 QB’s selected by pick #12. They’re will be some top notch options if we’re picking the #8 non QB/RB option

Let's just hope they word-smithed that correctly and its 65% of the total offensive snaps, not total team snaps.

Yeah The Devil is in the Details.

The OC is terrible, the line has the potential to be flat out bad, the stud RB is coming off a torn ACL, and for all the talk of "weapons everywhere," they have Garrett Wilson and their next best pass catcher is Allen Lazard.

Much of that I can agree with. However they are now in a Win Now mode. Unlike the way the Packers treated that concept (or didn’t treat it) I fully expect NY to push more chips in. I’ll guess 2 or 3 more veterans on O, plus using #15 or #43 at minimum. That OL could look pretty different with the infusion of a #15 and a Veteran Lineman through trade or FA.
But yeah, It’ll be interesting to see what moves they make in the near future.

 

[Dantés]

I’ve said the same thing. We really almost want Bijan and 4 QB’s selected by pick #12. They’re will be some top notch options if we’re picking the #8 non QB/RB option

Yeah The Devil is in the Details.

Much of that I can agree with. However they are now in a Win Now mode. Unlike the way the Packers treat that, I fully expect them to push more chips in. I’ll guess 2-3 more veterans on O, plus using #15 at minimum. That OL could look pretty different with the infusion of a #15 and a Veteran through trade or FA

I think that significant subtraction of veterans is a lot more likely than key additions.

They're -10.5M on the cap this year right now in effective space and they have a rookie class to sign. Corey Davis won't be on that roster in all likelihood, making his top three receivers Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard, and Mecole Hardman.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Well however we want to dissect this trade, the end is that this is Gute’s big part of his legacy. It’ll shut up all the bullshiit he’s had to hear about who he drafted, where and how he got it. Love pans out to be remotely 3/4 of Aaron Rodgers numbers in his career, there will be a lot of crow. Put up or shut up time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’ve said the same thing. We really almost want Bijan and 4 QB’s selected by pick #12. They’re will be some top notch options if we’re picking the #8 non QB/RB option

Yeah The Devil is in the Details.

Much of that I can agree with. However they are now in a Win Now mode. Unlike the way the Packers treated that concept (or didn’t treat it) I fully expect NY to push more chips in. I’ll guess 2 or 3 more veterans on O, plus using #15 or #43 at minimum. That OL could look pretty different with the infusion of a #15 and a Veteran Lineman through trade or FA.
But yeah, It’ll be interesting to see what moves they make in the near future.

I'm going to say it...I believe the Jets are going to be the most over-hyped team of the year. While I think A-Rod no doubt improves them, I don't think enough to win their division and probably a 3rd place finish in that division at that.

 

[Jayzee1981]

I'm going to say it...I believe the Jets are going to be the most over-hyped team of the year. While I think A-Rod no doubt improves them, I don't think enough to win their division and probably a 3rd place finish in that division at that.

That division alone is a *****. Then you’re talking Super Bowl contender? Nah. Thanks for the fleece job NY

 

[tynimiller]

Part of me could still see a Packers / Jets trade for Corey Davin in the draft depending how the draft falls...

 

[Jayzee1981]

Part of me could still see a Packers / Jets trade for Corey Davin in the draft depending how the draft falls...

Man you love you some Corey Davis don’t you lol! He might not even be on the team come June. Pick him up for cheaper.

 

[tynimiller]

Part of me could still see a Packers / Jets trade for Corey Davin in the draft depending how the draft falls...

Man you love you some Corey Davis don’t you lol! He might not even be on the team come June. Pick him up for cheaper.

Nope not really, he is however IMO the most capable veteran but most importantly easily expendable as a cap casualty for a team that is out there from my research. Just so happened he was on the Jets as well given the connection of the Rodgers deal is all.

 

[Team Ronny]

It's not officially official til he passes a physical, restructures his Packers contract, and signs with the jets. Kinda sad to see him go. One of the best players to ever wear the green and gold. It had to be done though..as gutey seems to be trying to clear the salary cap mess of the last 3 years.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think that significant subtraction of veterans is a lot more likely than key additions.

They're -10.5M on the cap this year right now in effective space and they have a rookie class to sign. Corey Davis won't be on that roster in all likelihood, making his top three receivers Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard, and Mecole Hardman.

I could easily see Cobb going there on a cheaper 2yr deal and they use signing bonus and $void$ and it barely scratches the surface (call it 2-3M towards cap now) The same goes with Marcedes or another veteran chasing a Ring.
As far as draft class we’re talking $6m for #15/#43 and after? They have 3 total Day3 selections, so it’s a relatively modest draft for them. $8.5Mil? That’s not going to break the bank at all.
They’ve got ways to shuffle capital
We both know teams can clear $25mil in cap space in a heartbeat. These guys are expecting to be in a 2-3 season push they’ll do what I do.. they’ll credit card it and take a beating later
But I hear what you are saying I just think it’s not as dire as that balance sheet looks either.

pS. Corey Davis alone is like $11M saved if they ditch him. Lol. That pays for the draft class + 2023 Cobb cap hit