How good would the D have played?.......

[BoydAvery]

If the Saints are your argument. I'll take my chances with Ted in a heartbeat.

My point is that someone other than TT was available at the time of his hire. Randy Mueller had proven success. The Saints went down hill after they fired Mueller over a contract dispute.

The Packers prefer to hire retreads.

 

[tromadz]

worst.argument.ever.

 

[Zero2Cool]

If the Saints are your argument. I'll take my chances with Ted in a heartbeat.

My point is that someone other than TT was available at the time of his hire. Randy Mueller had proven success. The Saints went down hill after they fired Mueller over a contract dispute.

The Packers prefer to hire retreads.

Your point is that someone was available other than Ted? No kidding dude. I was available too. That's a weak point.

Randy does not have proven success if you are going to use the Saints as the focal point of his 'success'. They had one division title.

btw, who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints the year they won the division title?

 

[BoydAvery]

If the Saints are your argument. I'll take my chances with Ted in a heartbeat.

My point is that someone other than TT was available at the time of his hire. Randy Mueller had proven success. The Saints went down hill after they fired Mueller over a contract dispute.

The Packers prefer to hire retreads.

Your point is that someone was available other than Ted? No kidding dude. I was available too. That's a weak point.

Randy does not have proven success if you are going to use the Saints as the focal point of his 'success'. They had one division title.

btw, who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints the year they won the division title?

Ironically though:

Mueller came to the Saints from the Seattle Seahawks, where he built a reputation as a savvy evaluator of talent after becoming the team's vice president of football operations in 1995.

Among Mueller's Seattle highlights was a 1997 deal that sent quarterback Rick Mirer to the Chicago Bears for a pair of first round-draft picks that were used to select two starters -- cornerback Shawn Springs and tackle Walter Jones.

Mueller, a native of St. Maries, Idaho, was promoted to Seattle's pro personnel director in 1990 and remained in that position for five years.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints during that 10 - 6 division title season?

 

[BoydAvery]

Randy Mueller kinda makes TT pale in comparison.

 

[Greg C.]

If the Saints are your argument. I'll take my chances with Ted in a heartbeat.

My point is that someone other than TT was available at the time of his hire. Randy Mueller had proven success. The Saints went down hill after they fired Mueller over a contract dispute.

The Packers prefer to hire retreads.

Your point is that someone was available other than Ted? No kidding dude. I was available too. That's a weak point.

Randy does not have proven success if you are going to use the Saints as the focal point of his 'success'. They had one division title.

btw, who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints the year they won the division title?

Ironically though:

Mueller came to the Saints from the Seattle Seahawks, where he built a reputation as a savvy evaluator of talent after becoming the team's vice president of football operations in 1995.

Among Mueller's Seattle highlights was a 1997 deal that sent quarterback Rick Mirer to the Chicago Bears for a pair of first round-draft picks that were used to select two starters -- cornerback Shawn Springs and tackle Walter Jones.

Mueller, a native of St. Maries, Idaho, was promoted to Seattle's pro personnel director in 1990 and remained in that position for five years.

Mueller's background sounds a lot like Thompson's--that is, if you forget about all those championships the Saints won.

 

[DePack]

Who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints during that 10 - 6 division title season?

******????

 

[BoydAvery]

Who was the offensive coordinator for the Saints during that 10 - 6 division title season?

I am not questioning MM as HC of the Packers. I am questioning TT's ability to get MM the proper player personnel.

The OL is a mess after attempting to replace Wahle and Rivera with Klemm and O 'Dwyer including 5 OL draft selections in 2 years with no success. After Driver and Jennings there is no one at WR. Green and Davenport are cripples at RB.

The revamped DL gets absolutely no pass rush on opposing QB's and the defensive backfield has plenty of question marks.

 

[Zero2Cool]

It's easy to look back on someone's tenure nearly a decade later and call them 'good' isnt it?

Let's wait 8 years and see how good Ted was before chastising him.

 

[BoydAvery]

It's easy to look back on someone's tenure nearly a decade later and call them 'good' isnt it?

Let's wait 8 years and see how good Ted was before chastising him.

When MM was hired as OC in New Orleans he had success immediately. 2 years later TT is struggling as GM. It is not necessary to wait 8 years to see that he just doesn't have the ability.

People called Mike Sherman's bluff in 2001 and were right. It was 6 wasted years.

 

[Zero2Cool]

How is Ted struggling? He has had 1 year under his belt. You're judging him by 3 pre season games? Your logic is flawed.


How come you didn't mention how Ted helped reshape the Seahawks? They did more than win one lonely division title.

 

[DePack]

How is Ted struggling? He has had 1 year under his belt. You're judging him by 3 pre season games? Your logic is flawed.


How come you didn't mention how Ted helped reshape the Seahawks? They did more than win one lonely division title.

He has two offseasons under his belt. Offseason is when GM's do most of their work.

BTW....I'm not agreeing that he is struggling. I think he struggled last offseason. This offseason he has done OK.

Also...the Seahawks never won a playoff game until TT left :wink:

 

[Zero2Cool]

Also...the Seahawks never won a playoff game until TT left :wink:

Sherman stuck Ted with this team.
Ted stuck 'Whomever' with that team.

 

[tromadz]

How is Ted struggling? He has had 1 year under his belt. You're judging him by 3 pre season games? Your logic is flawed.


How come you didn't mention how Ted helped reshape the Seahawks? They did more than win one lonely division title.

He has two offseasons under his belt. Offseason is when GM's do most of their work.

no arguments there, but some idiots(yep, namecalling) are judging the 2006 team before they played 1 regular season game is played.

lets have 2 full seasons under TTs belt before he is crucified.

 

[DePack]

12-4

 

[Drich318]

it is a mute point, since Bates wasn't gonna stay here unless he was the head coach. And if he was, then he wouldn't have coached the defense as much as he did last year, so it is again a mute point. Our defense wasn't good, but whatever it was a preseason game.

 

[yooperfan]

How is Ted struggling? He has had 1 year under his belt. You're judging him by 3 pre season games? Your logic is flawed.


How come you didn't mention how Ted helped reshape the Seahawks? They did more than win one lonely division title.

I sincerely doubt that Teddy can be given much credit for the reshaping of the Seahawks.
Teddy was employed by the Seahawks, he was not their GM. Teddy had some input in the draft, he had the final say on no one.
Teddy never drafted a single player for the Seahawks.
The Seahawks had a coach who was a proven winner the entire time Teddy was there.

Teddy is not being judged on 3 preason games. He is being judged on a 4-12 season, 2 drafts, 2 years of free agency and 3 preseason games.
Teddy is floundering as a General Manager and I as a Packer Fan don't want to wait ten years to see another winning team in Lambeau.

 

[Lare]

Teddy is not being judged on 3 preason games. He is being judged on a 4-12 season, 2 drafts, 2 years of free agency and 3 preseason games.

Don't mean to be picky, but in addition to the one regular season and two offseasons, TT has been here for seven preseason games, not three.

 

[yooperfan]

Teddy is not being judged on 3 preason games. He is being judged on a 4-12 season, 2 drafts, 2 years of free agency and 3 preseason games.

Don't mean to be picky, but in addition to the one regular season and two offseasons, TT has been here for seven preseason games, not three.

Yeah, I thought about that but I couldn't remember their preaseason record last year, 2-2 I think.

 

[Heatherthepackgirl]

I think the D would have been better, Bates just had away about him, he was more agressive with the players to teach...

 

[Blackjackking]

i think it would have been great if bates was head coach. he has been coaching for a while now.

a team will do better if it has a good expirenced coach.

Then why isn't Bates with a team? There must be a reason nobody has offered him a job.

 

[Zero2Cool]

i think it would have been great if bates was head coach. he has been coaching for a while now.

a team will do better if it has a good expirenced coach.

Then why isn't Bates with a team? There must be a reason nobody has offered him a job.

Was he offered a job? Or did he decline all offers due to the let down of not being the HC for GB?

I truely believe he came to GB with the expectations of being the next HC. I think the writing was on the wall about Shermans future.

 

[TomAllen]

Waaay better.

 

[Blackjackking]

i think it would have been great if bates was head coach. he has been coaching for a while now.

a team will do better if it has a good expirenced coach.

Then why isn't Bates with a team? There must be a reason nobody has offered him a job.

Was he offered a job? Or did he decline all offers due to the let down of not being the HC for GB?

I truely believe he came to GB with the expectations of being the next HC. I think the writing was on the wall about Shermans future.

Why would he turn down a head-coaching job? A head coach is what every coordinator and position coach works hard to become. Maybe, just maybe Bates was overrated, and now unemployed.