Gutes going to build the defense

[906Fan]

Our defense has no glaring holes besides pass rusher, yet no position group is good. The only players that have been playing above average are Clark, young CBs, and Martinez. Besides corner as long as we get investments in new defensive players I will be happy.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

The only places we're ok is DT and CB. I like our talent at both positions and our depth at CB

We do need an EDGE rusher, maybe 2. I would look at one of the 2 1s being Montez Sweat.

Defensive End needs to be addressed this year because Lowry and Daniels isn't the right combo. Lowry isn't there yet, and Daniels is either at the end of his prime or just past it.

ILB depends on Jake Ryan's rehab and Oren Burks. Morrison won't be here that's for sure. If Burks shows nothing the rest of the year (he hasn't really so far) and if Ryan's rehab is slow we need to draft ILB. I'm thinking what about Deshaun Davis out of Auburn. Slightly undersized at 5'11 (But let's be honest he could be either 5'10 or like 6'1) quick side to side, recently they've used him to spy QBs that tend to run the ball.

Safety, I'll be honest I don't know on DBs who's good and who isn't but we need to get 2 and knock this out of the park.

Offensively I think if we can get Deebo Samuel with the 2nd #1 that should really help out Rodgers. TE I don't think we have the GUY yet, but I don't see the GUY in this draft class either.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I never said they were positions of dire need of upgrades lol. Jesus

Well, what's the point of mentioning those positions in a thread about improving the defense if you don't believe those are in need of an upgrade???

The emergence of MVS makes it easier not to bring Cobb back. Yea they could bring him back...but they won’t resign both him and Geronimo. Ones gone for sure.

With Allison being a restricted free agent the Packers will be able to re-sign him for cheap.

Our defense has no glaring holes besides pass rusher, yet no position group is good.

The Packers definitely have to improve at free safety as well.

Defensive End needs to be addressed this year because Lowry and Daniels isn't the right combo. Lowry isn't there yet, and Daniels is either at the end of his prime or just past it.

I don't consider the defensive line in need of improvement, especially if the Packers are able to bring back Wilkerson on another reasonable deal.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Safety and OLB in next years draft. I think the plan will be to revamp the defense (AGAIN) and go all in. I have a hunch Gute will take the approach that Rodgers is good enough to carry the offense.. so they will build a defense that gets him as many possessions as possible. I think if they spend any money in free agency it will be on the o-line. The personnel on defense next season could look completely different at several spots . Both safeties, DE, and olb. Wouldn’t shock me if two rookies are starting on that side of the ball.

I think Gute was off to a nice start with the two corners he picked up in the last draft, and adding another first-rounder for 2019. The Pack needs pass-rushers (as in two or more), safety help, and reinforcements on both the defensive and offensive lines. That's a long list for one draft, so I suspect free agency will have to play a part as well.

 

[Dantés]

Not necessarily....Bahk is pretty good. Then there are high draft picks like Eric Fisher who are terrible. Just depends.

Correct, but your odds are going to be better when you use a higher pick. And the Packers may not be in a position to let a guy develop. They might need to replace Bulaga next year, and definitely by 2020. And even if he comes back next year, he misses a lot of time.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Correct, but your odds are going to be better when you use a higher pick. And the Packers may not be in a position to let a guy develop. They might need to replace Bulaga next year, and definitely by 2020. And even if he comes back next year, he misses a lot of time.

Once again Bakhtiari serves as a prime example of a rookie offensive lineman being able to contribute immediately as he started 16 games at left tackle during his rookie campaign after Bulaga was lost for the season in training camp.

There's no doubt that using an early draft pick significantly increases the chances of selecting an impact player though.

 

[rodell330]

I think Gute was off to a nice start with the two corners he picked up in the last draft, and adding another first-rounder for 2019. The Pack needs pass-rushers (as in two or more), safety help, and reinforcements on both the defensive and offensive lines. That's a long list for one draft, so I suspect free agency will have to play a part as well.

I can easily see the first two picks being defense. Haha the freaking Saints need to start losing!! Help us out will ya!!

 

[rodell330]

Well, what's the point of mentioning those positions in a thread about improving the defense if you don't believe those are in need of an upgrade???



With Allison being a restricted free agent the Packers will be able to re-sign him for cheap.



The Packers definitely have to improve at free safety as well.



I don't consider the defensive line in need of improvement, especially if the Packers are able to bring back Wilkerson on another reasonable deal.

They’re not going to bring both Cobb and Geronimo back. The young guys were drafted for a reason.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

They’re not going to bring both Cobb and Geronimo back. The young guys were drafted for a reason.

I fully expect the Packers to re-sign Allison as he will all but guaranteed get less than $2 million being a restricted free agent. While the team most likely will move on from Cobb I wouldn't rule out them bringing him back.

 

[Mondio]

Allison is going to be re-signed if the season ended today. If Cobb can’t get back on the field and be productive I don’t think he has a shot of coming back. But if he can get in the field, stay there and be productive again he could be but I have a feeling someone else will offer more money. Right now I’m leaning quite a bit towards letting him go.

 

[Jerellh528]

Well, what's the point of mentioning those positions in a thread about improving the defense if you don't believe those are in need of an upgrade???

Maybe you should read my original post again lol. You’re too far into this now here and figured that since you replied once which I rebutted you want to continue to put words in my mouth in order to justify your replies. It was a simple post man. I mentioned those positions as potential places we’d need depth just to emphasize my original point of taking two pass rushers with our first picks. and then I got a guy replying to me flabbergasted at the thought of another wr and cb by replying to me with like a dozen question marks, and then you putting words in my mouth saying something about first day picks which I never even mentioned in regards to those positions, and then you mentioned how those positions won’t be DIRE upgrade needs and went down a road which was totally off point..Jesus, didn’t think I’d have to break it down like this for a simple post.

 

[906Fan]

I fully expect the Packers to re-sign Allison as he will all but guaranteed get less than $2 million being a restricted free agent. While the team most likely will move on from Cobb I wouldn't rule out them bringing him back.

I think with Allison being on track for a 1000yard season bar injury will get him a contract more than double 2M$ a year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe you should read my original post again lol. You’re too far into this now here and figured that since you replied once which I rebutted you want to continue to put words in my mouth in order to justify your replies. It was a simple post man. I mentioned those positions as potential places we’d need depth just to emphasize my original point of taking two pass rushers with our first picks. and then I got a guy replying to me flabbergasted at the thought of another wr and cb by replying to me with like a dozen question marks, and then you putting words in my mouth saying something about first day picks which I never even mentioned in regards to those positions, and then you mentioned how those positions won’t be DIRE upgrade needs and went down a road which was totally off point..Jesus, didn’t think I’d have to break it down like this for a simple post.

Well, here's your original post on the topic:

I wouldn’t be upset to see us use our first two picks on pass rushers. We also will probably need 2 safeties, another corner and another Dline. I think we’ve been good at finding Oline later down in the draft, but Online will also be a need, and possibly another receiver. Plenty of holes this offseason.

There's no mentioning of adding a cornerback or wide receiver for depth purposes only. Actually you bringing up that the Packers have had success drafting offensive linemen later in the draft might have led to other posters believing that you suggested to use an early rounder on either a CB and WR.

Time to move though as you have made it clear not advocating for Gutekunst to select a player at either of those positions on the first two days of the draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think with Allison being on track for a 1000yard season bar injury will get him a contract more than double 2M$ a year.

Allison is a restricted free agent, meaning the Packers have the option of placing a second round tender on him next offseason. While I was slightly off on the numbers for this season ($2.75 million in 2017) you have to realize that he can either play under that deal in Green Bay or find another team being ready to give up a second rounder for him.

 

[PackAttack12]

I can easily see the first two picks being defense. Haha the freaking Saints need to start losing!! Help us out will ya!!

The Saints can begin to lose after defeating the Vikings this Sunday.

 

[easyk83]

PFF (who watch WAY more football than the average fan) rank the Packers' oline as 3rd best in the NFL.

Honestly though, I understand that as a fan it can be easy to make every weakness a catastrophic problem, but having ONE problem position on the oline is a blessing in today's NFL. Have you looked at some of the other olines in the NFL? Again, I don't look at PFF ranks as absolutes, it's not like a thermometer; PFF ranking them third doesn't have to mean they are exactly third. I would, however, take it to mean that the oline is REALLY good compared to the rest of the NFL.

I also can't find any now, but there have been a few articles discussing the limited amount of pressures that the Packers oline has given up so it's not just PFF.

fans do not appreciate how much more difficult an Olines job becomes when A) their offense is pretty much pass only, and B) they're protecting a quarterback who loves to sit back there forever and a day. A more balanced offense attack with say a 60 40 pass run split and Aaron Rodgers getting rid the ball faster would make our Oline look much better.

 

[easyk83]

Well, PFF has blamed Rodgers for 10 pressured this season, which is the third most on the team behind Taylor and Bulaga.

Even those not attributed to Rodgers might have been reduced if he prioritized getting the ball out fast.

 

[easyk83]

The only places we're ok is DT and CB. I like our talent at both positions and our depth at CB

We do need an EDGE rusher, maybe 2. I would look at one of the 2 1s being Montez Sweat.

Defensive End needs to be addressed this year because Lowry and Daniels isn't the right combo. Lowry isn't there yet, and Daniels is either at the end of his prime or just past it.

ILB depends on Jake Ryan's rehab and Oren Burks. Morrison won't be here that's for sure. If Burks shows nothing the rest of the year (he hasn't really so far) and if Ryan's rehab is slow we need to draft ILB. I'm thinking what about Deshaun Davis out of Auburn. Slightly undersized at 5'11 (But let's be honest he could be either 5'10 or like 6'1) quick side to side, recently they've used him to spy QBs that tend to run the ball.

Safety, I'll be honest I don't know on DBs who's good and who isn't but we need to get 2 and knock this out of the park.

Offensively I think if we can get Deebo Samuel with the 2nd #1 that should really help out Rodgers. TE I don't think we have the GUY yet, but I don't see the GUY in this draft class either.

I expect that our defense would look a lot better with a true free safety and a quality pass rusher. Its been a while since Ive seen a Packer FS get to a sideline and break something up.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Even those not attributed to Rodgers might have been reduced if he prioritized getting the ball out fast.

If we want to get technical, ALL sacks could be limited by every QB if they only got the ball out fast enough.

 

[easyk83]

If we want to get technical, ALL sacks could be limited by every QB if they only got the ball out fast enough.

A quarterback needs to know when to hold and when to get the ball out quick. If they're showing blitz and or have their DL spread wide try to get the ball out fast. If they're playing run and crunched in, with DEs playing 5 tech then ok thats a good time to hold the ball and let routes develop. My problem with Rodgers is that sometimes he seems inclined to look deep on almost every pass play.

 

[Dantés]

Once again Bakhtiari serves as a prime example of a rookie offensive lineman being able to contribute immediately as he started 16 games at left tackle during his rookie campaign after Bulaga was lost for the season in training camp.

There's no doubt that using an early draft pick significantly increases the chances of selecting an impact player though.

That's my point. It's not as though I'm unaware of Bakhtiari. But it would be foolish to count on that situation when you're likely to need immediate help. I'm all for them continuing to try to mine the middle rounds for OL talent to develop, especially on the interior. But when you need someone to be able to play tackle well right away, I would hope for a higher pick.

 

[RRyder]

I think with Allison being on track for a 1000yard season bar injury will get him a contract more than double 2M$ a year.

No team is going to give up a high draft pick for the right to pay Allison.

 

[Poppa San]

No team is going to give up a high draft pick for the right to pay Allison.

would Allison have ANY value right now to acquire or at least cheapen a deal for say a free safety sitting on someone's bench or maybe overpaid next year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A more balanced offense attack with say a 60 40 pass run split and Aaron Rodgers getting rid the ball faster would make our Oline look much better.

While that might be true for pass protection the Packers offensive line isn't build to block for the run.

Even those not attributed to Rodgers might have been reduced if he prioritized getting the ball out fast.

There's no doubt that Rodgers holds on to the ball too long occasionally but on average he gets it out of his hand in 2.64 seconds, which is only three tenth of a second longer than the league leader in Sam Bradford.

But when you need someone to be able to play tackle well right away, I would hope for a higher pick.

Unfortunately the Packers might be forced to use their early round picks on defense once again next year.

would Allison have ANY value right now to acquire or at least cheapen a deal for say a free safety sitting on someone's bench or maybe overpaid next year.

There's no reason for the Packers to trade Allison, who was on pace for a 1,000 yards season before getting injured, for a free safety not even playing for another team.

 

[Dantés]

Unfortunately the Packers might be forced to use their early round picks on defense once again next year.

They could still spend 3 picks on days 1 and 2 on defense while drafting a tackle high. FA will have something to say about all this as well.