Gutes going to build the defense

[swhitset]

PFF (who watch WAY more football than the average fan) rank the Packers' oline as 3rd best in the NFL.

Honestly though, I understand that as a fan it can be easy to make every weakness a catastrophic problem, but having ONE problem position on the oline is a blessing in today's NFL. Have you looked at some of the other olines in the NFL? Again, I don't look at PFF ranks as absolutes, it's not like a thermometer; PFF ranking them third doesn't have to mean they are exactly third. I would, however, take it to mean that the oline is REALLY good compared to the rest of the NFL.

I also can't find any now, but there have been a few articles discussing the limited amount of pressures that the Packers oline has given up so it's not just PFF.

Lol, I feel like we have completely changed roles. However, I don’t know if that PFF rating is current or not, but after watching that San Fran game... i’m not at all convinced.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Lol, I feel like we have completely changed roles. However, I don’t know if that PFF rating is current or not, but after watching that San Fran game... i’m not at all convinced.

It's their most recent rankings. Again, probably says more about other olines in the NFL.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-6

 

[swhitset]

It's their most recent rankings. Again, probably says more about other olines in the NFL.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-6

Well again ... i’m skeptical... but regardless that does not address the fact that Bulaga seems to be literally on his last legs.

 

[Dantés]

The Packers offensive line usd to be excellent... Bulaga is hurt a lot and getting older and we have not had a consistent right guard in a while..... If you actually watched the last few games... I’m having a hard time wondering how anyone could say the offensive line has been excellent... and that is WITH Bulaga.

The pressure issue in the passing game has a lot more to do with holding the ball than an inability to pass protect.

 

[swhitset]

The pressure issue in the passing game has a lot more to do with holding the ball than an inability to pass protect.

I can’t say that I completely disagree with that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Both safeties, DE, and olb. Wouldn’t shock me if two rookies are starting on that side of the ball.

The defensive line shouldn't be of high priority next offseason.

Continuing to invest in the OL will be critical too, especially at tackle. If you want a good offensive tackle, it’s going to require a high draft pick.

The Packers have done pretty well with drafting offensive linemen in the middle rounds of the draft, Bakhtiari for example.

Who will more likely get resigned HHCD, CM3,RC or Bulaga.

Bulaga is under contract through the 2019 season.

Tramon is old and will make over 6 mil next season and hasn’t looked especially good this season, I could see him being a cap cut to save the 5 mil. Aside from Jackson and Jaire, we don’t have anything else at corner for next season...
This is the last year for Cobb’s contract and I think Allison is rfa also, I definitely think it’s safe to say we prolly draft another wr. Mvs looks like he’s a starter next year, but behind that is pretty unknown although I the flashes from EQ, a wr will be brought in if nothing else for competition imo

The Packers have Kevin King at cornerback as well. With Tramon currently under contract I don't believe the Packers will consider drafting another one early next year.

Allison will definitely be re-signed next offseason for a cheap deal as he's a restricted free agent. With the three rookies all showing some promise the Packers most likely will pass on selecting one on the first two days of the draft next year as well.

Haha is pff’s number 2 rated safety this season, I could definitely see someone overpaying for his services, though I would like him back.

PFF currently has Clinton-Dix rated as the sixth best safety in the league.

Lol, I feel like we have completely changed roles. However, I don’t know if that PFF rating is current or not, but after watching that San Fran game... i’m not at all convinced.

According to PFF the offensive line allowed a total of 12 pressures vs. the Niners, which was only slightly above their season average.

The pressure issue in the passing game has a lot more to do with holding the ball than an inability to pass protect.

Well, PFF has blamed Rodgers for 10 pressured this season, which is the third most on the team behind Taylor and Bulaga.

 

[Reese2017]

I thought montravious Adams was gonna shore up the dline

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I thought montravious Adams was gonna shore up the dline

Adams has been a major disappointment so far this season.

 

[Mondio]

Adams has been a major disappointment so far this season.

I wonder what happened to him? He seemed to be having a really good preseason and when he got in, he seemed to do well. Regular season gets here and I'm not sure i've seen him even standing on the sidelines

 

[Dantés]

The Packers have done pretty well with drafting offensive linemen in the middle rounds of the draft, Bakhtiari for example.

Well, PFF has blamed Rodgers for 10 pressured this season, which is the third most on the team behind Taylor and Bulaga.

No doubt the Packers have done quite well in the middle rounds. Most examples relate to the interior OL, with Bakhtiari being the big exception. I don't doubt that they could do it again, given enough chances, but they need a starter in the near future and might want to pursue the more secure route of a high round pick.

Is 10 pressures attributed to the QB a high number in their metrics? Also wondering if you know how they decide-- if it's just when the QB moves into pressure of if him holding the ball too long has anything to do with it.

 

[Jerellh528]

The Packers have Kevin King at cornerback as well. With Tramon currently under contract I don't believe the Packers will consider drafting another one early next year.

Allison will definitely be re-signed next offseason for a cheap deal as he's a restricted free agent. With the three rookies all showing some promise the Packers most likely will pass on selecting one on the first two days of the draft next year as well.



PFF currently has Clinton-Dix rated as the sixth best safety in the league.

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I never said said a cb and wr will be drafted early, but one of each likely will still be drafted. And haha is currently pffs number 2 safety.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/1052994485167247361

 

[Poppa San]

I never said said a cb and wr will be drafted early, but one of each likely will still be drafted.

Really going out on the limb as most (not all) years seem to have someone drafted at each level of defense (DL, backer, DB) and area on offense (OL, skill.) If not drafted then priority FA.

 

[OldSchool101]

I still think we need to give Pettine a couple more resources to shore up at the Edge, S and the spot opposite Martinez. We have to continue to be aggressive in the offseason and put our foot down on the gas pedal through trades and FA, similar to this year. Except last year we had some player distractions (Martellus/Randall) that had to be dealt with we spun our wheels with Randall etc.. . I’m hoping this year we can apply that same amount of energy to focused acquisitions to plug our biggest remaining defensiven holes.
Let’s not try to do it all in the draft, let’s go out and get the best 2 deals between these 3 positions..
a solid veteran OLB, a veteran Safety or a rock solid OLineman.
Then we don’t get pigeonholed into a particular position group out of the gate this draft.
That will allow us to maximize our choices (in case a guy who looks like the next Kareem AJ Hunt is still hanging around in the top 99 players). It wouldn’t hurt to have another Aaron Jones Turbo scat back and keep Jamaal as our #3. That backfield would be far more dynamic and teams playing the pass (which they have to do with #12) would be constantly guessing where they are getting gashed next.

Then, we really should invest in a second OLineman with one of our first 5 picks
(Preferably top 4). It never hurts to have an overqualified, solid depth player that’s waiting on their chance to make the 1st team.

 

[Jerellh528]

Really going out on the limb as most (not all) years seem to have someone drafted at each level of defense (DL, backer, DB) and area on offense (OL, skill.) If not drafted then priority FA.

I didn’t think so, but I guess I am with people trying to argue or question the idea of taking a wr and cb lol

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I wonder what happened to him? He seemed to be having a really good preseason and when he got in, he seemed to do well. Regular season gets here and I'm not sure i've seen him even standing on the sidelines

Adams has played a total of 21 snaps so far this season but has looked atrocious in those opportunities.

Is 10 pressures attributed to the QB a high number in their metrics? Also wondering if you know how they decide-- if it's just when the QB moves into pressure of if him holding the ball too long has anything to do with it.

PFF currently lists Rodgers tied for the sixth most pressures allowed in the league. Mahomes leads the way with 17. Unfortunately I don't know how they decide on which plays to blame the quarterback for a pressure.

And haha is currently pffs number 2 safety.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/1052994485167247361

You're right about that, it seems I took a look at a ranking from last week.

I didn’t think so, but I guess I am with people trying to argue or question the idea of taking a wr and cb lol

Well, there's always a possibility a wide receiver or cornerback will be drafted on day three. That's not what we're talking about when trying to figure out a way to improve next year's team at this point though.

 

[Jerellh528]

Well, there's always a possibility a wide receiver or cornerback will be drafted on day three. That's not what we're talking about when trying to figure out a way to improve next year's team at this point though.

MVS and EQ are both later picks, as were many successful packer players. I disagree that taking a player with a day 1 pick is the only way to improve the team. But at this point I think we’re straying off the point of my original post of potential positions needed to draft next season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

MVS and EQ are both later picks, as were many successful packer players. I disagree that taking a player with a day 1 pick is the only way to improve the team.

It's definitely possible that a day three draft pick has an impact during his rookie season but it's more likely to happen with an early rounder.

To your original point, both cornerback and wide receiver most likely won't be positions in dire need of an upgrade next offseason though.

 

[Jerellh528]

It's definitely possible that a day three draft pick has an impact during his rookie season but it's more likely to happen with an early rounder.

To your original point, both cornerback and wide receiver most likely won't be positions in dire need of an upgrade next offseason though.

I never said they were positions of dire need of upgrades lol. Jesus

 

[rodell330]

Continuing to invest in the OL will be critical too, especially at tackle. If you want a good offensive tackle, it’s going to require a high draft pick.

Not necessarily....Bahk is pretty good. Then there are high draft picks like Eric Fisher who are terrible. Just depends.

 

[rodell330]

Everyone thinks Cobb won't be brought back? I'll be surprised if he leaves.

The emergence of MVS makes it easier not to bring Cobb back. Yea they could bring him back...but they won’t resign both him and Geronimo. Ones gone for sure.

 

[rodell330]

Haha is pff’s number 2 rated safety this season, I could definitely see someone overpaying for his services, though I would like him back.

Someone will. Either Pittsburgh or KC will probably get hm.

 

[rodell330]

The Packers offensive line usd to be excellent... Bulaga is hurt a lot and getting older and we have not had a consistent right guard in a while..... If you actually watched the last few games... I’m having a hard time wondering how anyone could say the offensive line has been excellent... and that is WITH Bulaga.

Thank you, i don’t see them bringing back Bulaga or either RG.

 

[Zeker40]

My football friends and I (who've all played in either high school or college) call this period the "Thompson Hangover Effect". Thompson was checked out the last few years of drafts in GB and he straight up sucked in the draft. Clay Matthews should've been traded 4-5 years ago when we still could've gotten a 1st or 2nd for him but to no avail. Better drafts then on offensive and defensive lines wouldve made everyone look better today. Gutey will make things better but couldnt possibly fix today. THat will take time and hopefully enough for Rodgers to do something with.

 

[Poppa San]

My football friends and I (who've all played in either high school or college) call this period the "Thompson Hangover Effect". Thompson was checked out the last few years of drafts in GB and he straight up sucked in the draft. Clay Matthews should've been traded 4-5 years ago when we still could've gotten a 1st or 2nd for him but to no avail. Better drafts then on offensive and defensive lines wouldve made everyone look better today. Gutey will make things better but couldnt possibly fix today. THat will take time and hopefully enough for Rodgers to do something with.

Advice to the newbie: This ain't the ESPN boards where cutting and pasting the same response in every thread is acceptable. Gonna need to up your game if you wanna play here.

 

[Packer96]

Dating myself, get an Olineman like Larry Allen of the mid 90's Cowboys. A mauler, someone who brings an attitude.