Gute looking for 'bigger guys' to play a prominent role at slot WR

[brandon2348]

J'Mon Moore had a freaky 3-cone for anybody, but especially for his size.

He ran 4.6 at the combine. That''s his natural time. There was a reason he was drafted in the 4th round. So in his case he will need to develop as a ROUTE RUNNER as you love to bring up because he is slow. He is a hard worker but not sure how smart the guy is.

Projection = JAG.

Note to Gute = Quit drafting JAGS

 

[brandon2348]

I didn't compare the two players?

You brought up MVS 40 time in comparison to Campbell.

I've throughly explained it in several posts above. I'm not gonna do this anymore. If some of you guys DON'T GET IT I'm not gonna continue talk in circles. Your just STUCK. Cant help ya

I'm moving on.

 

[HardRightEdge]

And I've layed out potential answers to just about every need on the roster through the draft.

You should harangue about those other needs more often instead of every other post devoted to one obsession.

 

[GleefulGary]

You brought up MVS 40 time in comparison to Campbell.

I've throughly explained it in several posts above. I'm not gonna do this anymore. If some of you guys DON'T GET IT I'm not gonna continue talk in circles. Your just STUCK. Cant help ya

I'm moving on.

I absolutely did not do that.

Please learn to read.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Randall is is 5'10 190. Campbell is just shy of 6'0 and 205. 15 POUNDS BiGGER! That's huge size difference when your talking about packing muscle at the receiver position. Campbell's body percent fat is extremely low. 15 more pounds of muscle is alot dude.

You guys are also missing the key piece of what Gute described which is size and the ABILiTY TO SEPERATE.

He is not talking about rolling out a 240 pound slot receiver. WHAT he is saying is little ***** receivers like Marquise Brown are off the table.

Gute is talking about a slot like Equanimeous St. Brown. 6'5 215 and at that size has 4.4 speed. He is exactly the body type and has the speed Gute and Lafleur want in a slot. It will be EQ's job to lose in camp. He will have competition. Stay tuned.

 

[brandon2348]

Gute is talking about a slot like Equanimeous St. Brown. 6'5 215 and at that size has 4.4 speed. He is exactly the body type and has the speed Gute and Lafleur want in a slot. It will be EQ's job to lose in camp. He will have competition. Stay tuned.

St. Brown in the slot? LMAO.

This is getting hilarious. Talk about zero short area quickness and lack of seperation. That would only work if they had added a guy like Antonio Brown outside. SOMEONE HAS TO STIR THE DRINK!

If this is the case "STAY TUNED" for 6-10.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I'm moving on.

Moving on to another thread for more Parris Campbell posts I presume.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

St. Brown in the slot? LMAO.

This is getting hilarious. Talk about zero short area quickness and lack of seperation. That would only work if they had added a guy like Antonio Brown outside. SOMEONE HAS TO STIR THE DRINK!

If this is the case "STAY TUNED" for 6-10.

EQ played in the slot some last year and looked great. Do you follow the Packers or nah?

"His combination of size and silky movement allows him to operate on both the perimeter and in the slot, where it's probable he'll provide the biggest impact as his career unfolds."

 

[brandon2348]

You should harangue about those other needs more often instead of every other post devoted to one obsession.

OL Chris Lindstrom, instant starter at G and can get to the second level. Pro Bowl caliber potential. Very smart and instinctive player. Perfect Packer

LB Germaine Pratt - Big time under the radar prospect with all the hype going to White and Bush. He is what we thought we were getting with Burks. Converted safety and fierce tackler with big time athleticism. Reminds me of Darius Leonard. The instincts are there. Potential 3 down player.

RB justice Hill. Tape is awesome and has athleticism to match. I believe he would be better then Jones and solidify the RB postition. This guy is just a natural ball carrier.

Mike Bell S Fresno State- Gives us some length as as box safety. He can do damage in the middle and is a very fluid player with good ball skills. Another very instinctive player. Another piece that used correctly would work in the PETTINE PlLAN.

DL Christian Wilkins- very good athlete that can play multiple spots along the front. He was the DISRUPTER in that Clemson defense. He can push the pocket. Bye Bye "TUG BOAT Montro Adams".

WR Hakeem Butler- this guy would actually make sense in this HUGE SLOT SCENARIO that people are talking about. He is a freak and actually played some slot effectively at Iowa State. This guy could be a GAME CHANGER. Will need some development

There ya go!

 

[brandon2348]

With that said Gute never said anything about a "HUGE SLOT". He basically said bigger then Cobb with ability to seperate which isnt hard to accomplish.

Somehow people are twisting this into using a " HUGE SLOT" which I find amusing.

 

[OldSchool101]

I had a girlfriend that eventually carried that nickname. Anyway.
Forget BIG SLOT. Maybe another true #1 would solve the whole problem.
Carry on.

 

[brandon2348]

EQ played in the slot some last year and looked great. Do you follow the Packers or nah?

"His combination of size and silky movement allows him to operate on both the perimeter and in the slot, where it's probable he'll provide the biggest impact as his career unfolds."

Do I follow the Packers? I can walk to the stadium. I go to most of the training camp that is allowed.

Sorry, not standing with you on St. Brown. You will have to find someone else to stand by you on that one. Brown is a JAG.

 

[PackinMSP]

Isn't ESB our presumed slot WR?

I would hope that they want to see if they can groom MVC to play outside opposite Davante, especially as MVC has the speed you look for in a guy who can play there

 

[Dantés]

A.J. Brown is my favorite "big slot" in the draft but some other names to look for include N'Keal Harry (ASU), Jaylon Hurd (BAY), Kelvin Harman (NCSU), and Keelan Doss (SJSU).

Deebo Samuel isn't tall, but he's got some size to him and would definitely work in the slot as well.

 

[Dantés]

Isn't ESB our presumed slot WR?

I would hope that they want to see if they can groom MVC to play outside opposite Davante, especially as MVC has the speed you look for in a guy who can play there

He did some nice things there last season, but it was only on like 70 snaps inside. I don't think anything can be publicly presumed about roles in the WR corps right now other than Adams being the #1.

 

[brandon2348]

Isn't ESB our presumed slot WR?

I would hope that they want to see if they can groom MVC to play outside opposite Davante, especially as MVC has the speed you look for in a guy who can play there

I haven't heard anyone from the Packer Organization anywhere that St. Brown is the presumed slot.

Its pure speculation on here and people taking Gute saying he wanted a bigger slot that can seperate to somehow translate into having some 6"4 slot receiver.

After all Cobb was 5'10 and a buck 90 dripping wet and couldn't seperate. Take it to where you want.

 

[PackinMSP]

That's true

But we will have to see LaFleur's new scheme

At least ESB "displayed" some of the shiftiness and quickness you would want in a slot guy

You always want to remember that MOST Wide Receivers take 1 -2 years to become actual contributors.

Obviously, there are exceptions.

But I would expect a decent jump for both MVC and ESB next year

 

[brandon2348]

A.J. Brown is my favorite "big slot" in the draft but some other names to look for include N'Keal Harry (ASU), Jaylon Hurd (BAY), Kelvin Harman (NCSU), and Keelan Doss (SJSU).

Deebo Samuel isn't tall, but he's got some size to him and would definitely work in the slot as well.

AJ Brown is a good prospect but he lacks the SHIFTINESS to be a full time slot IMO and is a little too big bodied to progress in that area. He also has no deep speed.

He is best outside working intermediate routes as he is very smooth. He is basically a less explosive Devante Adams. Not what we need.

We need someone that can win one on one inside and take the top off the defense that is bigger then Cobb. It will work wonders for this offense.

Gute basically said what I've been saying forever now is that the slot position is of great importance in LaFleur's offense and we need someone elite with some size to stir the drink for the entire offense to click the way it needs too.
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[TXPackerfan]

I wanted to make this a thread in the Draft forum but don't have the ability yet, but this guy makes a great argument for why Metcalf is Calvin Johnson with film examples. It's 15 mins but well worth it, and "debunks" some of the negative impressions of DK.

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For the too long, won't watch folks:
- He makes the vid from the Belicheck perspective: who cares what he can't do, figure out how to use what he can do
- DK's 3 cone sucked, showing he's not good at the entire route tree. Calvin didn't run any 3 cones in draft prep, probably because he knew they'd suck. So what?
- Calvin's last season consisted of 4 routes 75% of the time: go's, slants, posts, curls. Metcalf is great/elite at each
- Ole Miss misused him and his QB kinda sucked, impacting his stats

- The one real negative, drops

I thought drafting DK was a joke before this but I'm on board.

 

[brandon2348]

That's true

But we will have to see LaFleur's new scheme

At least ESB "displayed" some of the shiftiness and quickness you would want in a slot guy

You always want to remember that MOST Wide Receivers take 1 -2 years to become actual contributors.

Obviously, there are exceptions.

But I would expect a decent jump for both MVC and ESB next year

Here is the deal. I've been on so many of these FAIRY TALE RIDES of developing late round picks with Davis, Dupre, Yancy, Janis, Abbrederis, Boykin, C.Johnson, K. Dorsey that I'm not getting on the ride this time. If you want to fine. There is a reason they are late round picks. The Packers are 3 years behind the curve and that's why they just spent over a 100 million dollars to try and fix the defense.

I have not seen anything that shows me any of these young guys are gonna be sufficient to what we need. Sounds like the same old story to me.

PASS

 

[PackinMSP]

Your argument isn't helped that Moore was a "mid round" pick in the 4th round and looked like garbage...

I'm fine taking a WR in the 2nd... TT hit on a BUNCH of WRs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (Jennings, Jordy, JJ, Cobb, etc)

But I don't like taking one in the 1st... that just is always too risky b/c you get so many who flame out or don't "get it" quick enough and they're value is basically the same as a 3rd or 4th rounder..

 

[swhitset]

He isn't talking about none of those guys because they dont have GAME CHANGING SEPERATION. He made it very clear that the position is a focal point of the offense and needs to have the ability to SEPERATE. Translation = GAME CHANGING SPEED.

So you can cross them all off the list.

yeah... let’s just ignore the fact that he drafted them last year.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Isn't ESB our presumed slot WR?

I would hope that they want to see if they can groom MVC to play outside opposite Davante, especially as MVC has the speed you look for in a guy who can play there

I wouldn't say EQ has been given the starting slot receiver job, but I do feel he is one of the players with a inside track to take on that role and win that job in camp. If that is what you meant by "presumed" then I think you were correct. I would expect a few others like Jake Kumerow to also be in the mix at slot. As you mention, MVS is looking like a high quality outside WR and he and Geronimo would be the favorites to line up opposite Davante on the outside at this early stage. If a rookie WR is drafted they will also be looking to see where he fits best in the offense. With not knowing what players will be drafted or if a WR will be taken at all, it is obviously too early to discuss any concrete plans there.

No final decisions have been made at this point on any position of course. Still very early in the roster shaping process. It will be fun to watch in camp some battles to make the final 53. I see this WR corp as loaded and highly underrated even as it stands today.

It is our job here to have some fun and speculate on all this.

 

[scotscheese]

I haven't heard anyone from the Packer Organization anywhere that St. Brown is the presumed slot.

Its pure speculation on here and people taking Gute saying he wanted a bigger slot that can seperate to somehow translate into having some 6"4 slot receiver.

After all Cobb was 5'10 and a buck 90 dripping wet and couldn't seperate. Take it to where you want.

and you're speculating in every way about campbell. you, like the rest of us, have absolutely no idea if we will even look at him, let alone say he is perfect for LaFleurs offence, he could end up being the JAG rather than the GAME CHANGER you may think him to be.

just tone it down a notch dude, and people won't get pissed with you. as in said before, you sound like Rodell regarding the HC announcment, but he managed to hit that point where he realised enough is enough

 

[Dantés]

AJ Brown is a good prospect but he lacks the SHIFTINESS to be a full time slot IMO and is a little too big bodied to progress in that area. He also has no deep speed.

He is best outside working intermediate routes as he is very smooth. He is basically a less explosive Devante Adams. Not what we need.

We need someone that can win one on one inside and take the top off the defense that is bigger then Cobb. It will work wonders for this offense.

Gute basically said what I've been saying forever now is that the slot position is of great importance in LaFleur's offense and we need someone elite with some size to stir the drink for the entire offense to click the way it needs too.
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No one cares, Brandon.