Gute looking for 'bigger guys' to play a prominent role at slot WR

[Dantés]

Yes but I got the impression you still wanted him at slot. If he doesn't catch the ball he won't be any good anywhere. Just to make clear what I think a slot is...if Davante goes out wide and takes a step or two back off the line; is he considered a slot? Because I think in that case he is what used to be called a flanker. For me the slot position is closer in to the linemen.

I said his makeup profiles like a big slot receiver and I was interested to see him in camp and hope he can catch this year. I don't see what you're trying to say.

 

[gopkrs]

I am trying to say that I think a "big slot receiver" is a contradiction of terms.

 

[Dantés]

I am trying to say that I think a "big slot receiver" is a contradiction of terms.

How? It's just a guy playing in the slot who is larger than your traditional slot receiver.

 

[gopkrs]

Really quick is what I would like to see. You never know what direction he is going to take. Adams has a lot of that in him...but prefer him outside as he is a bona fide big play receiver.

 

[Dantés]

Really quick is what I would like to see. You never know what direction he is going to take. Adams has a lot of that in him...but prefer him outside as he is a bona fide big play receiver.

So you prefer a more traditional slot. That's great. Nothing wrong with that. But obviously big slots are still a thing.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

So you prefer a more traditional slot. That's great. Nothing wrong with that. But obviously big slots are still a thing.

Correct, see Cooper Kupp and Larry Fitzgerald, two of the best at it in the league.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Moore also had a drop problem in college. And besides...he is too big for the slot. Some of you want to put square pegs in round holes so you won't have to get a free agent or use a draftpick for the real thing.

As others have pointed out teams are successfully using bigger slot receivers. Taking a look at the Packers current receiving corps the team might prefer to have one as well.

I would definitely be fine with drafting a slot receiver as well but the team doesn't have enough cap space to sign a decent veteran at the position.

Yes but I got the impression you still wanted him at slot. If he doesn't catch the ball he won't be any good anywhere. Just to make clear what I think a slot is...

It's possible Moore's hands will be improved this season.

 

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[scotscheese]

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I only come here for the entertainment.

to be fair, most have been discussing, it's mostly one poster that is causing any issues

how are everton getting on BTW?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Moore also had a drop problem in college. And besides...he is too big for the slot. Some of you want to put square pegs in round holes so you won't have to get a free agent or use a draftpick for the real thing.

Moore's size is not the issue. His Combine agility drills indicate the kind of quickness one would like at the position. Nelson, Adams: both of these guys were/are effictive running routes of the slot if not a staple of their play.

There may be a fearlessness factor in play, an essential trait in running underneath routes. His college highlight tape was packed with sideline routes and at least one scouting report indicated he didn't do much in the middle of the field. I can't say for certain, but perhpas his drops were on those middle routes.

Is that fearlessness factor a disposition or something that can be learned? Hard to say in this case but there's an experience factor to it. Fearlessness has to be balanced with the smart business decisions, knowing when to run through to space vs. getting to the ground when the hit is sensed. That's about good presnap reads and spacial awareness at the top of the route.

Whether Moore can gain the confidence and skills to get that job done remains to be seen. Frankly, the outlook is not great but you don't know without trying.

Looking on the bright side, the Packers WR coach last season, his first year in that role, was dubbed by one former Packer insider as a fraud while the QB was not sparing in his criticism of rookie preparation. So, better coaching may help.

 

[sschind]

Moore also had a drop problem in college. And besides...he is too big for the slot. Some of you want to put square pegs in round holes so you won't have to get a free agent or use a draftpick for the real thing.

Then why didn't you say that instead of focusing on one thing that many players have changed.

 

[sschind]

I only come here for the entertainment.

to be fair, most have been discussing, it's mostly one poster that is causing any issues

how are everton getting on BTW?

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[scotscheese]

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thats exactly what was going through my head as I typed it

 

[Dantés]

Yes but I got the impression you still wanted him at slot. If he doesn't catch the ball he won't be any good anywhere. Just to make clear what I think a slot is...if Davante goes out wide and takes a step or two back off the line; is he considered a slot? Because I think in that case he is what used to be called a flanker. For me the slot position is closer in to the linemen.

No, the flanker, or Z, is not the same position at the slot.

Did you really think that I want Moore starting in the slot if he is still dropping everything?

 

[GleefulGary]

A slot can only be 5'10, white, gritty, a coaches kid, quicker than fast, and have great hands.

Sorry folks, I don't make the rules.

 

[gopkrs]

No, the flanker, or Z, is not the same position at the slot.

Did you really think that I want Moore starting in the slot if he is still dropping everything?

No, of course not. He is just too big to have the quickness that I would like to see in a slot. Anyway, I guess we can say that you and others don't see a problem with a big slot and I just think we already have a big guy (TE) in the middle and that a little guy will be able to create some havoc. We'll see how it plays out. For the other part, I was wondering if when Davante takes a step back but is still wide; if they consider him to have played the slot (for statistics sake) on that play. Looking forward to the draft and then the season. I think we are a lot better! And am very interested to see what Gute does in the draft. I am hoping for an OT early. If one of the three are available.

 

[Dantés]

No, of course not. He is just too big to have the quickness that I would like to see in a slot. Anyway, I guess we can say that you and others don't see a problem with a big slot and I just think we already have a big guy (TE) in the middle and that a little guy will be able to create some havoc. We'll see how it plays out. For the other part, I was wondering if when Davante takes a step back but is still wide; if they consider him to have played the slot (for statistics sake) on that play. Looking forward to the draft and then the season. I think we are a lot better! And am very interested to see what Gute does in the draft. I am hoping for an OT early. If one of the three are available.

If your issue is with the idea of a "big slot" in general, then you're going to have to deal with the reality of players like Keenan Allen, Larry Fitzgerald, Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Mohamed Sanu, Juju Smith-Schuster, Tyler Boyd, etc. It's a pretty commonly used concept in the league today.

One reason why I think Moore's athletic profile fits inside is his quickness. He put up a 6.56 three cone and a 4.04 short shuttle at combine, which are excellent marks regardless of how big you are, let alone for a 6'3" receiver. However, all I'm advocating for is that they try him there in camp. If he hasn't gotten his hands figured out, then he isn't a fit anywhere.

I am sure that any reputable statistics outlet is only counting a player as putting in a snap in the slot if he is literally in the slot. They understand that the Z, or flanker position it not the same thing as the slot position.

I will say that you're right about Graham-- playing in the slot seems like it's about the only fit for him in Petals' offense. He cannot block well enough to play in line. However, he's also not a threat after the catch, which makes him less than ideal in the slot as well.

They really shouldn't be basing any plans around Graham anyways. He's gone after this year. Shoot, I'm still hoping he gets traded during the draft.

 

[gopkrs]

I was really only saying that the TE is already near the linemen. Not that he should play in the slot. Just another big receiver but in close. Don't want to see much of Graham in the slot as mostly he gets open? just by being big. But I think a shifty slot would create more opportunities for a guy like Graham.

 

[GermanPacker]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...s-hearing-buzz-around-packers-wr-d-k-metcalf/

Packerswire talking about how DK Metcalf is rumored to be a Packers potential choice at 12. I hope not. I wouldn’t want this guy at 30. Great athlete but poor route running.

 

[gopkrs]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...s-hearing-buzz-around-packers-wr-d-k-metcalf/

Packerswire talking about how DK Metcalf is rumored to be a Packers potential choice at 12. I hope not. I wouldn’t want this guy at 30. Great athlete but poor route running.

I don't want him either. Although he does kind of remind me of Andre Johnson.

 

[sschind]

A slot can only be 5'10, white, gritty, a coaches kid, quicker than fast, and have great hands.

Sorry folks, I don't make the rules.

I'm all but 5 of those should I try out.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

They really shouldn't be basing any plans around Graham anyways. He's gone after this year. Shoot, I'm still hoping he gets traded during the draft.

The Packers paying Graham a $5 million roster bonus in March and trading him during the draft would be a terrible way to manage the cap.

 

[Dantés]

The Packers paying Graham a $5 million roster bonus in March and trading him during the draft would be a terrible way to manage the cap.

You're right. However I still don't see his role in this offense so I *hope* or *wish* they could get something for him and move on, but I know it's unlikely.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You're right. However I still don't see his role in this offense so I *hope* or *wish* they could get something for him and move on, but I know it's unlikely.

I fully expect the Packers to move on from Graham after the 2019 season but am convinced he will be on the roster for this season. I'm more optimistic than you the team will find a way to use him effectively though.