Gute looking for 'bigger guys' to play a prominent role at slot WR

[Fat Dogs]

He ran a limited route tree at Ole Miss because of the offense and coaching there. Not because he lacks skills.

NFL Scout: "Very smooth route runner for his size with good hip sink and quickness through his breaks. Lateral quickness is rare for his size and allows him to seperate consistently. Varies tempo with routes to lull DB's to sleep and knows how to attack leverage with angles in his stem. Sells strong vertical push before stopping on a dime for comebacks. Big time ability to fight through contact and address the ball at it's highest point. He is very polished in his release and wins in a variety of ways at the line. I have him as a top 10 prospect in this class and believe he is one of the best receiver prospects we have seen in a while. My pro comparison is Josh Gordon without the off field issues"

We can a agree to disagree on Metcalf, and he isn't one of my first choices at 12, but I think it's ridiculous to try to imply he would be a huge reach at #12.

Are you one of the people here who want to take a guard at 12? Jk. Well, someone here actually said Lindstrom would be a great pick at 12 for the Pack. I am not against taking OL high, but Lindstrom at 12? Talk about reach. Haha.

I can agree that he’s a physical beast and has a very high upside with his combination of size and speed but he’s definitely boom or bust. Many scouts love his potential but his agility scores are beyond bad. I watch film and see him burn lessor DB’s with the same route. This won’t happen in the NFL. Maybe I’m wrong and he’ll be able to be the next Josh Gordon but I honestly think it’s to much of a risk. Furthermore, 2 out of his 3 years in college ended with a season ending injuries so no thanks.
I’m ok with taking o-line at #12 as long as it’s Jawaan Taylor or Andre Dillard but not my first choice like you with Metcalf. I’m in the minority with the whole TE at #12 thing though. My dream draft would land us Ed Oliver/Devin White at #12, Dillard/Irv Smith Jr. at #30, and Mack Wilson/Taylor Rapp at #45. Get me a good RB and Reciever with our 3rd and 4th and I’ll be a happy man.

 

[El Guapo]

I've never understood the handling of Ty Montgomery....someone mentioned him above. He was developing into a good WR when we pressed him into RB. When that need was obsolete, McCarthy stubbornly stuck with him there until things blew apart. It's not like the guy put on 30 pounds to play RB. We should have put him back at WR to see what he could do, potentially in the slot. It seems like we gave away a good option for peanuts, and are now looking to pick through the haystack for another needle.

 

[HardRightEdge]

We don’t need them to. The beauty about a versital playmaker is we can line them up anywhere on the field. These guys get targeted 8 times a game. I think we are fine rotating Adams, EQ, and MVS at slot. I love the upside we have at WR. The unknown is at the 2. We all hope MVS and Kumero will develop but who knows. Do I like them enough along with Geronimo not to want to draft a WR round 1? Yes. Do I believe in them enough to not want to grab a sliding Campbell, Butler, or Ridley in the 2nd? Of course not.

I agree with the concept, but I wouldn't consider a WR until the 3rd. round at the earliest. There are plenty of other issues to address.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

I can agree that he’s a physical beast and has a very high upside with his combination of size and speed but he’s definitely boom or bust. Many scouts love his potential but his agility scores are beyond bad. I watch film and see him burn lessor DB’s with the same route. This won’t happen in the NFL. Maybe I’m wrong and he’ll be able to be the next Josh Gordon but I honestly think it’s to much of a risk. Furthermore, 2 out of his 3 years in college ended with a season ending injuries so no thanks.
I’m ok with taking o-line at #12 as long as it’s Jawaan Taylor or Andre Dillard but not my first choice like you with Metcalf. I’m in the minority with the whole TE at #12 thing though. My dream draft would land us Ed Oliver/Devin White at #12, Dillard/Irv Smith Jr. at #30, and Mack Wilson/Taylor Rapp at #45. Get me a good RB and Reciever with our 3rd and 4th and I’ll be a happy man.

I would love Ed Oliver to slide to 12 almost as much as I would love Hock to slide to us. Oliver's pro day is coming up and once he shows out there it will only lessen our chances of landing him. I'd put it at about a 20% chance that Hock slides to 12, and about a 5% chance Oliver does. I think Oliver could go as high as #4 to the Raiders. I think Hock could go as high as #7 to the Jags. Maybe higher if Belichick moves up to nab T.J.

I say I will be ok with very good players like D.K. Metcalf, Brian Burns, or Jawaan Taylor at 12 and 30, but in reality I will bummed on night one if we don't get Hock. I will get better though when Gute comes out in the presser that night and explains how the 2 players we took at 12 and 30 are who we wanted all along and that the draft room was elated that we stayed true to our board and both the players we wanted fell to us. That they are "high quality men and will fit perfectly in our locker room."

 

[Fat Dogs]

I agree with the concept, but I wouldn't consider a WR until the 3rd. round at the earliest. There are plenty of other issues to address.

Theres always exceptions but yea, We need to see what these young guys have.

 

[Fat Dogs]

I would love Ed Oliver to slide to 12 almost as much as I would love Hock to slide to us. Oliver's pro day is coming up and once he shows out there it will only lessen our chances of landing him. I'd put it at about a 20% chance that Hock slides to 12, and about a 5% chance Oliver does. I think Oliver could go as high as #4 to the Raiders. I think Hock could go as high as #7 to the Jags. Maybe higher if Belichick moves up to nab T.J.

I say I will be ok with very good players like D.K. Metcalf, Brian Burns, or Jawaan Taylor at 12 and 30, but in reality I will bummed on night one if we don't get Hock. I will get better though when Gute comes out in the presser that night and explains how the 2 players we took at 12 and 30 are who we wanted all along and that the draft room was elated that we stayed true to our board and both the players we wanted fell to us. That they are "high quality men and will fit perfectly in our locker room."

We don’t need a pro day. Every GM knows this kid is a top 5 talent in any draft. He could possibly slide due to teams needs. Nobody thought we had a shot at Derwin James last year. Teams might fall in love with shiny things like Metcalf and Hock and maybe a few tackles go and we’ll get super lucky with an Oliver slide.
I’m going to do the opposite and be bummed if we do select Hock. Lol I’m just not in love with a Hock for our first pick and yes, you know the “we selected the guy we wanted all along” talk is coming. Not sure why we do this to ourselves year in and year out.

 

[brandon2348]

Sounds like Gute is talking about Parris Cambell to me. 6'0 205 and he can seperate from anybody in the NFL.

Bout time this front office smartened up. Campbell would be rhe X FACTOR in LaFleur's offense. I'm starting to get excited.

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[brandon2348]

I'm telling you guys. Add Parris Campbell and Justice Hill and this offense will be supercharged.

SMOKE SHOW AT LAMBEAU.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Sounds like Gute is talking about Parris Cambell to me. 6'0 205 and he can seperate from anybody in the NFL.

Bout time this front office smartened up. Campbell would be rhe X FACTOR in LaFleur's offense. I'm starting to get excited.

Something tells me he's talking about the 5 WRs on the roster who go 6'3" - 6'5". We might as well call it 6 guys since Tonyan is more an oversized WR than TE. Or 7 guys since Graham lines up in the slot more often than not.

 

[brandon2348]

I agree with the concept, but I wouldn't consider a WR until the 3rd. round at the earliest. There are plenty of other issues to address.

I would argue adding GAME CHANGING SPEED to the offense is the biggest need there is.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I would argue adding GAME CHANGING SPEED to the offense is the biggest need there is.

You have an unhealthy obsession with Parris Campbell.

 

[brandon2348]

Something tells me he's talking about the 5 WRs on the roster who go 6'3" - 6'5". We might as well call it 6 guys since Tonyan is more an oversized WR than TE. Or 7 guys since Graham lines up in the slot more often than not.

He isn't talking about none of those guys because they dont have GAME CHANGING SEPERATION. He made it very clear that the position is a focal point of the offense and needs to have the ability to SEPERATE. Translation = GAME CHANGING SPEED.

So you can cross them all off the list.

 

[brandon2348]

You have an unhealthy obsession with Parris Campbell.

No. I have an unhealthy obsession with the Packers WINNING. I've been scouting Campbell for two years and he will be the BEST NFL RECEIVER of this class if the Packers draft him.. He fits the LaFLeur scheme perfectly.

 

[GleefulGary]

He isn't talking about none of those guys because they dont have GAME CHANGING SEPERATION. He made it very clear that the position is a focal point of the offense and needs to have the ability to SEPERATE. Translation = GAME CHANGING SPEED.

So you can cross them all off the list.

Jordy Nelson frequently beat cover 2 defenses. Frequently got open deep and completely changed our offense.

He ran a 4.5

You don't need to run a 4.3 to separate deep. You need to know how to run routes, be a technician, and stack routes. Kinda like AB. Dude ran what, a 4.6? That ain't game changing speed.

But if you like game changing speed, MVS did run a 4.37 and was able to get open deep pretty well for a raw rookie.

Long story short, technique and route running setups matter more than raw speed. In fact, most of the top WR's in the league weren't the fastest or most athletic WR's in their draft class.

 

[HardRightEdge]

No. I have an unhealthy obsession with the Packers WINNING. I've been scouting Campbell for two years and he will be the BEST NFL RECEIVER of this class if the Packers draft him.. He fits the LaFLeur scheme perfectly.

No, it is an unhealthy obsession with one player in which you are overly invested to the point of confirmation bias. Campbell is not a #12 talent, a guy who has run basically 3 routes, but if he's a 1st. round talent as you think then he'll likely be off the board at #30. You should consider other possibilities instead of haranguing ad nauseum about that one man crush.

 

[brandon2348]

Jordy Nelson frequently beat cover 2 defenses. Frequently got open deep and completely changed our offense.

He ran a 4.5

You don't need to run a 4.3 to separate deep. You need to know how to run routes, be a technician, and stack routes. Kinda like AB. Dude ran what, a 4.6? That ain't game changing speed.

But if you like game changing speed, MVS did run a 4.37 and was able to get open deep pretty well for a raw rookie.

Long story short, technique and route running setups matter more than raw speed. In fact, most of the top WR's in the league weren't the fastest or most athletic WR's in their draft class.

"Technique and route running"? You mean "Coaching"? Get the talent and Coach it up. Kinda like how KC coached Tyreek Hill up.

MVS is a horrible comparison to Campbell. Scantling is a straight line speed guy with ZERO EXPLOSION. I let you idiots tallk me into keeping an open mind with these late round pick WR's and it turned out to be ********! None of them are the real deal so lets just STOP! There never gonna be that great.

Quit Shopping for Ralph Lauren and knock offs at Walmart. As you can probably tell the **** is CHEAP!

 

[brandon2348]

No, it is an unhealthy obsession with one player in which you are overly invested to the point of confirmation bias. Campbell is not a #12 talent, a guy who has run basically 3 routes, but if he's a 1st. round talent as you think then he'll likely be off the board at #30. You should consider other possibilities instead of haranguing ad nauseum about that one man crush.

There are several other players i like in the draft and that were free agents in free agency. It's way way beyond Parris Campbell.

Were in a thread talking about BIG SLOT RECEIVER'S THAT CAN SEPERATE BTW. Pretty sure Parris Campbell fits that bill more then anyone else available.

 

[HardRightEdge]

"Technique and route running"? You mean "Coaching"? Get the talent and Coach it up. Kinda like how KC coached Tyreek Hill up.

MVS is a horrible comparison to Campbell. Scantling is a straight line speed guy with ZERO EXPLOSION. I let you idiots tallk me into keeping an open mind with these late round pick WR's and it turned out to be ********! None of them are the real deal so lets just STOP! There never gonna be that great.

Quit Shopping for Ralph Lauren and knock offs at Walmart. As you can probably tell the **** is CHEAP!

I thought we were looking for a slot receiver here. 40 times have nothing to do with short distance separation. For that you need to look at the agility drills. J'mon Moore's 6.56 3-cone is ankle-breaking quickness and his 4.04 20 yard shuttle is almost as good, pretty scary for a guy going 6' 3". If it was so easy to just "coach it up" then coach him up.

 

[brandon2348]

I thought we were looking for a slot receiver here. 40 times have nothing to do with short distance separation. For that you need to look at the agility drills. J'mon Moore's 6.56 3-cone is ankle-breaking quickness and his 4.04 20 yard shuttle is almost as good, pretty scary for a guy going 6' 3". If it was so easy to just "coach it up" then coach him up.

Well Parris Campbell has top end production at Ohio State on a loaded offense with many mouths to feed. He blew by guys on Michigan that multiple people want the Packers to draft on here ahead of him. Go watch the tape. Its just INSANE.

He is in the 98 percentile on jumps(explosion)and has elite body type for an NFL SLOT RECEiVER.

All of this SHOWS UP ON TAPE. If you don't take the perfect angle on Parris Campbell he is GONE and sometimes even a perfect angle won't get him. If the defense sleeps just for a second or doesn't have a plan on him on any given play be puts the dagger in them with a blow by TD catch and run. His tape shows it all.

People are bringing up these mickey mouse stats that he didn't run deep routes but he wasn't asked to because they had OTHER TALENTED GUY'S doing that. Campbell stirred the whole drink in that OSU offense. And It's not that Campbell can't do that and he showed he is actually natural and fluid at that at the combine. D. Adam's came from a spread offense in college and ran a basic route tree. That is not an excuse to exclude a guy.

J'Moore, MVS or St. Brown are not even on the same playing field with the overall package of what Campbell brings. They each might do ONE thing Campbell can do and collectively equal his game but that's as close as it gets.

We need a GAME CHANGER. If you get a GAME CHANGER it doesnt matter how high you draft him. Period!

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

There are several other players i like in the draft and that were free agents in free agency. It's way way beyond Parris Campbell.

Were in a thread talking about BIG SLOT RECEIVER'S THAT CAN SEPERATE BTW. Pretty sure Parris Campbell fits that bill more then anyone else available.

Parris Campbell is close to Randall Cobb's size. Parris is 5'11 205 , typical slot size. This offense is going to be rockin' a BIG slot. We talkin' way over 6 feet here.

Gute: "This is a big man's game, always has been. Length is important"

 

[GleefulGary]

"Technique and route running"? You mean "Coaching"? Get the talent and Coach it up. Kinda like how KC coached Tyreek Hill up.

MVS is a horrible comparison to Campbell. Scantling is a straight line speed guy with ZERO EXPLOSION. I let you idiots tallk me into keeping an open mind with these late round pick WR's and it turned out to be ********! None of them are the real deal so lets just STOP! There never gonna be that great.

Quit Shopping for Ralph Lauren and knock offs at Walmart. As you can probably tell the **** is CHEAP!

I didn't compare the two players?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Well Parris Campbell has top end production at Ohio State on a loaded offense with many mouths to feed. He blew by guys on Michigan that multiple people want the Packers to draft on here ahead of him. Go watch the tape. Its just INSANE.

He is in the 98 percentile on jumps(explosion)and has elite body type for an NFL SLOT RECEiVER.

All of this SHOWS UP ON TAPE. If you don't take the perfect angle on Parris Campbell he is GONE and sometimes even a perfect angle won't get him. If the defense sleeps just for a second or doesn't have a plan on him on any given play be puts the dagger in them with a blow by TD catch and run. His tape shows it all.

People are bringing up these mickey mouse stats that he didn't run deep routes but he wasn't asked to because they had OTHER TALENTED GUY'S doing that. Campbell stirred the whole drink in that OSU offense. And It's not that Campbell can't do that and he showed he is actually natural and fluid at that at the combine. D. Adam's came from a spread offense in college and ran a basic route tree. That is not an excuse to exclude a guy.

J'Moore, MVS or St. Brown are not even on the same playing field with the overall package of what Campbell brings. They each might do ONE thing Campbell can do and collectively equal his game but that's as close as it gets.

We need a GAME CHANGER. If you get a GAME CHANGER it doesnt matter how high you draft him. Period!

Your obsession with this WR, or any WR for that matter, shows a lack of appreciation for how sub-par this roster was last season. The 4 FA only went about half way to fixing what's wrong. There are other priorities.

 

[brandon2348]

Parris Campbell is close to Randall Cobb's size. Parris is 5'11 205 , typical slot size. This offense is going to be rockin' a BIG slot. We talkin' way over 6 feet here.

Gute: "This is a big man's game, always has been. Length is important"

Randall is is 5'10 190. Campbell is just shy of 6'0 and 205. 15 POUNDS BiGGER! That's huge size difference when your talking about packing muscle at the receiver position. Campbell's body percent fat is extremely low. 15 more pounds of muscle is alot dude.

You guys are also missing the key piece of what Gute described which is size and the ABILiTY TO SEPERATE.

He is not talking about rolling out a 240 pound slot receiver. WHAT he is saying is little ***** receivers like Marquise Brown are off the table.

 

[GleefulGary]

I thought we were looking for a slot receiver here. 40 times have nothing to do with short distance separation. For that you need to look at the agility drills. J'mon Moore's 6.56 3-cone is ankle-breaking quickness and his 4.04 20 yard shuttle is almost as good, pretty scary for a guy going 6' 3". If it was so easy to just "coach it up" then coach him up.

J'Mon Moore had a freaky 3-cone for anybody, but especially for his size.

 

[brandon2348]

Your obsession with this WR, or any WR for that matter, shows a lack of appreciation for how sub-par this roster was last season. The 4 FA only went about half way to fixing what's wrong. There are other priorities.

And I've layed out potential answers to just about every need on the roster through the draft. I've posted it several times. I'm not talking about drafting 10 receivers.

The fact is we have a major hole at the slot and the offense needs a GAME CHANGER. I don't see the big problem with drafting one in the 1st round. We just spent over a 100 mill on the defense. Time to throw the offense a couple bones.