Game 16 -- Vikings rematch [pregame and post game thread]

[lambeaulambo]

Bottom line if the defense cannot step up and trounce MN I consider the defense to be regressing drastically. We have seen this so many times.

 

[OldSchool101]

Bottom line if the defense cannot step up and trounce MN I consider the defense to be regressing drastically. We have seen this so many times.

I don’t know about trouncing MN because their run game is still the same, very good. However its dual run-pass threat that makes the MN Offense effective. Part of that has been really disrupted with Cousins being out. That doesn’t even touch the temperature and wind (10MPH forecast) is going to interfere hard with longer throws.
That should conceivably allow Barry to get more aggressive in focusing the MN running backs. I think Cleveland will be an anomaly of sorts and I’m fully expecting us to sell out on the run game and keep 8 in the box regular.

 

[Poppa San]

Green Bay does practice outside, too.

I'm sure Minnesota does also. The point is there is no weather advantage this weekend except Minnesota's sideline is on the east I believe so they are facing into whatever westerly breeze there is.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

The jury is still out on Love, he needs more playing time. So far, he is el sucko! I'm not ready to hand the keys over to Love when Rodgers is playing at such a high level.

I have never said anything to the contrary, what I HAVE said is I wish people would at least give him a proper chance before they write him off completely.

 

[lambeaulambo]

I have never said anything to the contrary, what I HAVE said is I wish people would at least give him a proper chance before they write him off completely.

The glaring thing I see w Love is his confidence. He seems to have little to none - now, it will take him a while to learn the offense. He's as athletic as I have seen. Very strong. He has a lot of the tools that suit him, but one I have yet to see is throwing accurate passes consistently. More tea? lol 10 year old Templeton Rye is probably more appropriate.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

The glaring thing I see w Love is his confidence. He seems to have little to none - now, it will take him a while to learn the offense. He's as athletic as I have seen. Very strong. He has a lot of the tools that suit him, but one I have yet to see is throwing accurate passes consistently. More tea? lol 10 year old Templeton Rye is probably more appropriate.

But doesn`t that come with experience of the offense ?

 

[lambeaulambo]

But doesn`t that come with experience of the offense ?

Hence the comment I made referring to that. The answer to that question is hopefully yes. He has had some time to learn and watch one of the best, no question. Usually getting a masterful teacher helps tremendously. The accuracy thing is very troubling however.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Hence the comment I made referring to that. The answer to that question is hopefully yes. He has had some time to learn and watch one of the best, no question. Usually getting a masterful teacher helps tremendously. The accuracy thing is very troubling however.

But then mate if a QB (Insert name here) overthrows, it on the reciever not getting open or downfield quick enough....lol We are on the same page here, I just think he needs a bit more experience is all

 

[Mondio]

I have no idea what Love is going to be, I don't care at this point. I'm not expecting a huge drop off in MN's offense because Cousins is out and a back up is in. The strength of their offense runs thru Cook and that's not changing.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Absolutely.....load the box!

 

[gopkrs]

I have no idea what Love is going to be, I don't care at this point. I'm not expecting a huge drop off in MN's offense because Cousins is out and a back up is in. The strength of their offense runs thru Cook and that's not changing.

Cousins has been having a very good year. Few interceptions and a bunch of TDs. Hard to see how his not playing does not affect their offense.

 

[Mondio]

Cousins has been having a very good year. Few interceptions and a bunch of TDs. Hard to see how his not playing does not affect their offense.

It will, but I don't think it will be by as much as people think. Certainly nothing like the case of GB playing without Rodgers. I don't think Cousins is bad by any means. But much of what he does is done because their running game makes it so. If it was an offense dependent on their QB making plays he wouldn't be having near the season.

To me, there's a difference between a QB making plays and making the throw. Call it however you want, but Rodgers makes 4-6 plays every game where it's fairly obvious he is making that play by the read, by the throw by how he sets up a rusher by moving in the pocket to make the play.

QB's like Cousins make throws to pretty open receivers on plays that are set up by their run game. When the pressure is on a QB like that to actually make the plays, they often times toss INT's.

I don't know who the vikings have for a back up. Of course I expect him to be less than Cousins or he'd be the starter, but if he can throw a decent enough ball to open receivers, I do not expect to see a huge drop off in their offense. Cousins doesn't open up the run game for Cook. So him not being there isn't going to matter to the majority of their offense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No Cousins, No Thielen, Conklin nursing a hamstring, Cook coming off of Covid, No Dantzler.... I couldn't have asked for much better of a Packer X-Mas present than that, unless it included Jefferson missing the game, so that he could appear on Dancing With The Stars!

 

[PackerDNA]

Agree on all your points. In their last meeting, Cousins through several interceptions that we either dropped or nullified by penalty. Reply was meant to quote Mondio

 

[PackerDNA]

No Cousins, No Thielen, Conklin nursing a hamstring, Cook coming off of Covid, No Dantzler.... I couldn't have asked for much better of a Packer X-Mas present than that, unless it included Jefferson missing the game, so that he could appear on Dancing With The Stars!

Personally, I don't put much stock in beating teams missing key players. Less of an indicator of where we are, and kind of a hollow victory.
What would be an indicator and a bad one is if we struggle or worse yet lose tonight.

 

[OldSchool101]

I couldn't have asked for much better of a Packer X-Mas present than that, unless it included Jefferson missing the game, so that he could appear on Dancing With The Stars!

I bet he’d be a good though

Personally, I don't put much stock in beating teams missing key players. Less of an indicator of where we are, and kind of a hollow victory.

I agree on that part.
To add to that a W is more indirectly helpful because I really feel strongly that we are 2-4 weeks from getting back several starting caliber players.

Yes it would be nice to throttle them. Yet a W is still far more important long term.

 

[PackerDNA]

I hate to say this, but at this point I'm doubtful we see Z or Bach at all and possibly not Alexander either. Also at this point, how good will they be if they do not play before the playoffs? A lot of rust to shake off, and probably as good a chance of them being reinjured as being the players they've been in the past.

I bet he’d be a good though

I agree on that part.
To add to that a W is more indirectly helpful because I really feel strongly that we are 2-4 weeks from getting back several starting caliber players.

Yes it would be nice to throttle them. Yet a W is still far more important long term.

 

[tynimiller]

Definitely improves the likelihood that we'll win, but I can't help but fear that the playoffs are going to be a disaster. Teams are going to be decimated and it'll likely affect the quality of the games. Not good.

I’ll pick Rodgers if he can play with decimated rosters vs any other qb with decimated rosters

 

[lambeaulambo]

I hate to say this, but at this point I'm doubtful we see Z or Bach at all and possibly not Alexander either. Also at this point, how good will they be if they do not play before the playoffs? A lot of rust to shake off, and probably as good a chance of them being reinjured as being the players they've been in the past.

Alexander is off the IR...I think he may play...Z and Bakh no chance

 

[OldSchool101]

Alexander is off the IR...I think he may play...Z and Bakh no chance

I think 60% we see 1 of those 2 other guys back in the postseason. At least suited anyway. It’s only a + as our success does not hinge on it. We’ve already Won 12 contests without them, so it’s just a +

It’s a testament to next man up philosophy and those replacement guys preparation.

 

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[tynimiller]

Alexander is off the IR...I think he may play...Z and Bakh no chance

It would be dumb IMO to play Jaire today given weather. Bring him back at Detroit for a little game action in controlled environment.

 

[Team Ronny]

I think he is listed as out for tonight.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally, I don't put much stock in beating teams missing key players. Less of an indicator of where we are, and kind of a hollow victory.
What would be an indicator and a bad one is if we struggle or worse yet lose tonight.

I will give you 6 reasons why I am just fine with the Vikings missing a few key players:

- Jaire
- Z. Dog
- Bahk
- Myers
- Cobb
- Jenkins

and if those aren't good enough.....how about....it is the Fricking Vikings! No tears.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Debating what to wear to the game tonight.

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