Defending Janis

[PackerDNA]

Interesting article at packersnews.com. The writer advocates force feeding Janis in camp this year; see if he responds or not. Also says he's superior to Adams physically and athletically/speed wise, so if Adams got so many chances without producing, why not Janis.
I agree. Let 'er rip and lets find out what the kid can- or can't- do.

 

[RRyder]

Interesting article at packersnews.com. The writer advocates force feeding Janis in camp this year; see if he responds or not. Also says he's superior to Adams physically and athletically/speed wise, so if Adams got so many chances without producing, why not Janis.
I agree. Let 'er rip and lets find out what the kid can- or can't- do.

I get what your saying but shouldn't that same logic dictate that we force feed Davis in camp this year over both Janis and Adams as he has considerable measurables also but has even less of a chance to prove himself at this point?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Interesting article at packersnews.com. The writer advocates force feeding Janis in camp this year; see if he responds or not. Also says he's superior to Adams physically and athletically/speed wise, so if Adams got so many chances without producing, why not Janis.
I agree. Let 'er rip and lets find out what the kid can- or can't- do.

So the same logic should apply with Moritz Boehringer and the Vikings, as well as all players in the NFL who have better physical attributes then the guys put ahead of them on the depth chart by coaches?

Pete Dougherty (author of the article) is one of my favorite Packers writers, but even Pete, in trying to defend Janis starts his article off with a perfect example of why Janis, despite his physical attributes, found himself at the bottom of the depth chart all of last year. In a recent practice, Janis failed to run a route, resulting in Gunter picking it off. Dougherty notes that in a real game, this error may have cost the Packers a Pick 6. So I find it hard to follow Pete's or anyones logic as to why they think Janis is ready to surpass people on the Depth Chart and start on Sundays. I'm not saying he can't or won't, but to say he needs to be given a shot makes it sound like he sits in the locker room during practice, isn't invited to film studies, hasn't been given opportunities during games, basically the coaches and AR are sleeping behind the wheel when it comes to Janis. I have a hard time believing this.

For the 3rd year in a row, Janis will be given adequate practice and preseason snaps to prove that he deserves to be on the field more often during the regular season. But physical attributes alone, will not earn you those snaps when they actually count.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Interesting article at packersnews.com. The writer advocates force feeding Janis in camp this year; see if he responds or not. Also says he's superior to Adams physically and athletically/speed wise, so if Adams got so many chances without producing, why not Janis.
I agree. Let 'er rip and lets find out what the kid can- or can't- do.

As Pokerbrat already pointed here's what Dougherty wrote at the beginning of the article:

On the first play of the Green Bay Packers’ team drills Thursday — the very first play — Aaron Rodgers’ throw to Jeff Janis was intercepted.

The pass was behind Janis, which gave cornerback LaDarius Gunter the angle on the ball. But judging by Rodgers’ reaction, Janis ran a bad route.

Uh oh.

Or not.

Yeah, the guy who couldn’t get on the field last year because of poor route running apparently ran another bad route Thursday. What's up with that? Is he still not getting this?

And if you want to know why it matters so much, Gunter’s interception would have been a touchdown. That can be the difference between winning and losing a game.

That is exactly the reason why Janis hasn't received more playing time. It seems he still hasn't fully grasped the playbook and as long as that doesn't change he should be on the sideline.

 

[adambr2]

If that's still where he's at at the end of August, absolutely. But I'm not overly concerned about it the first week of June. That's what this time is for.

 

[sschind]

If that's still where he's at at the end of August, absolutely. But I'm not overly concerned about it the first week of June. That's what this time is for.

I agree, if he doesn't get it by the end of August then we can talk, about the 2016 season. A lot of Janis supporters want to talk about 2015 however and they claim he had it last year and McCarthy didn't play him. If he doesn't have it now, the beginning of June 2016 then he obviously didn't have it last season so as WIMM says that would explain why he didn't get on the field.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If that's still where he's at at the end of August, absolutely. But I'm not overly concerned about it the first week of June. That's what this time is for.

This is Janis third season in the Packers system. If he hasn't been able to grasp the playbook by now there's no reason to feel optimistic about him learning it over the next three months with the players being six weeks off in between.

 

[adambr2]

This is Janis third season in the Packers system. If he hasn't been able to grasp the playbook by now there's no reason to feel optimistic about him learning it over the next three months with the players being six weeks off in between.

Running one bad route on the first play of OTAs when Rodgers himself was rusty, not to mention being the opinion of one writer based solely on Rodgers' reaction of a play none of us never even saw, is far from a definitive sign that he hasn't made any progress.

I'm not saying that he has, I just don't think we know on June 5th, and I'm sure not going to assume it based on one play of OTAs, which Davante Adams was the star player of last year, and a play that we have zero knowledge and context of.

 

[Poppa San]

I was more impressed by "speed demon, runs like the wind" (as some here would have us believe) Jeff Janis was being covered by slow as molasses LaDarious Gunter. Unknown was the defensive formation with over the top help or not.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Running one bad route on the first play of OTAs when Rodgers himself was rusty, not to mention being the opinion of one writer based solely on Rodgers' reaction of a play none of us never even saw, is far from a definitive sign that he hasn't made any progress.

I'm not saying that he has, I just don't think we know on June 5th, and I'm sure not going to assume it based on one play of OTAs, which Davante Adams was the star player of last year, and a play that we have zero knowledge and context of.

Janis running the wrong route was the main reason he didn´t get more playing time last season. I agree that OTA practices don´t mean a whole lot once the season starts but him still struggling to fully grasp the playbook is concerning nonetheless.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Running one bad route on the first play of OTAs when Rodgers himself was rusty, not to mention being the opinion of one writer based solely on Rodgers' reaction of a play none of us never even saw, is far from a definitive sign that he hasn't made any progress.

I'm not saying that he has, I just don't think we know on June 5th, and I'm sure not going to assume it based on one play of OTAs, which Davante Adams was the star player of last year, and a play that we have zero knowledge and context of.

Agree that it isn't the end for Janis but when it has been the main issue for him getting on the field it is a concern. If it comes down to Rodgers or Janis knowing where a route should go I will pick Rodgers every time. Janis needs to earn the trust of his coaches and qbs and plays like that will others help

 

[gopkrs]

It is impossible to argue the point that running the wrong route is a definite no no. But I saw our biggist problem last year as nobody able to get open at all. So is everyone running bad routes or was something else missing? Seemed like all the defenses had our number as to route running.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It is impossible to argue the point that running the wrong route is a definite no no. But I saw our biggist problem last year as nobody able to get open at all. So is everyone running bad routes or was something else missing? Seemed like all the defenses had our number as to route running.

Rodgers has made it clear that a receiver making mental mistakes resulting in running the wrong route won´t be on the field with him. The biggest problem last season was the unit´s inability to get any separation from defensive backs as well as the coaching staff´s inexcusable decision to not use combination routes to help them get open.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

How does he NOT know the playbook after 2 years???? That's a reason to cut him immediately. What has he been doing all offseason? When you know you're on the bubble you need to be doing EVERYTHING to earn your spot.

I play semi pro ball and just coming off a deployment I texted my coach yesterday that I was back in the states and I want a copy of the new playbook as soon as it drops. I'm at the bottom of the depth chart until we hit camp. You better believe I'm running routes and understanding blocking schemes and protection packages before we even start OTAs. Otherwise I can expect the bench until mid season. For someone in Janis' position he'll be watching from his couch.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

How does he NOT know the playbook after 2 years???? That's a reason to cut him immediately. What has he been doing all offseason? When you know you're on the bubble. You need to be doing EVERYTHING to earn your spot.

It's possible Janis just isn't smart enough to grasp it.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

It's possible Janis just isn't smart enough to grasp it.

If I were MM, and these problems persist in Camp, I wouldn't even let him see the HOF Game. I'm still predicting Allison replacing Janis/Abbrederis going into next year.

 

[Pkrjones]

Besides the cool name Geronimo lacks speed, doesn't get any separation and had a drop rate of 11% last year... think WR competition will come from somebody else.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

He'll get on the field though if he learns the playbook better than Janis.....

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If I were MM, and these problems persist in Camp, I wouldn't even let him see the HOF Game. I'm still predicting Allison replacing Janis/Abbrederis going into next year.

Janis will for sure make the team because of his performance on special teams.

He'll get on the field though if he learns the playbook better than Janis.....

As Pkrjones already pointed out Allison is too slow, has questionable hands and was one of the worst draft eligible wide receivers last season. He won't get playing time even if he learns the playbook.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

He's not winning games for us on special teams. Eventually there will be a real contributor on offense or defense who also can play special teams and then he will have outlived his usefulness. Don't be surprised if that happens this year.

 

[adambr2]

It's possible Janis just isn't smart enough to grasp it.

Are you referring more to a football IQ? Just curious because I haven't heard that Janis is a dummy. He had a 32 wonderlic, not that that is the end all but an idiot isn't going to manage a 32. I'm sure far dumber receivers have come and gone and enjoyed successful careers.

 

[adambr2]

He's not winning games for us on special teams. Eventually there will be a real contributor on offense or defense who also can play special teams and then he will have outlived his usefulness. Don't be surprised if that happens this year.

Guys have enjoyed long successful careers off nothing but special teams. Jarrett Bush did. We paid Sean Richardson nearly 3M last year to retain him almost solely on his special teams contributions.

This franchise does not underestimate special teams. Look no further than the NFC Championship in January 2015 if you don't believe games can be won or lost on special teams. We were in Super Bowl 49 with good special teams.

I wouldn't call Janis a roster lock but he's a really, really good bet. Geronimo Allison has about a 1% chance to make this team and most of that 1% hinges on injuries.

I also really doubt that Janis has just been sitting on his butt all offseason not trying to learn anything. I think if he hasn't grasped the playbook it's simply more along the lines of what Captain said that he just isn't getting it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He's not winning games for us on special teams. Eventually there will be a real contributor on offense or defense who also can play special teams and then he will have outlived his usefulness. Don't be surprised if that happens this year.

Jarrett Bush is a perfect example for a player with limited talent on defense to stick around for years based on his performance on special teams. Janis excelled in that phase of the game last season reaulting in him being a sure bet to make the team.

Are you referring more to a football IQ? Just curious because I haven't heard that Janis is a dummy. He had a 32 wonderlic, not that that is the end all but an idiot isn't going to manage a 32. I'm sure far dumber receivers have come and gone and enjoyed successful careers.

Yeah, I was talking about football IQ.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It seems that at least on Hail Mary throws Janis is Rodgers new go-to guy as he just hauled in a 60 yarder from #12 over Sam Shoelds during OTA practice.

 

[PackerDNA]

I get what your saying but shouldn't that same logic dictate that we force feed Davis in camp this year over both Janis and Adams as he has considerable measurables also but has even less of a chance to prove himself at this point?

Why not? If you picked a guy for your roster, give him the chance to see what he can do. No better time than OTA's and training camp.