porky88
Cheesehead
Re: [DEBATE] Thompson Vs. ...
Huge difference in what Sherman and TT are doing. Sherman inherited a team built by maybe a HOF GM one day. He inherited a Super Bowl caliber team with that kind of players. They had draft picks from previous years that were still on the roster and contributing. Granted the Reynolds and Ferguson picks were made by Ron Wolf and they were awful. Although the story goes Sherman was high on Ferguson and Reynolds and really pushed Wolf for both. That’s what they say I’m not sure what went on behind the doors. I heard that on the radio and nobody seemed to argue. The 5 drafts before that draft were great and Ron Wolf had the team built where they could win for years to come and they did.
Mike Sherman on the other hand didn't build a team that would win for years to come. Green Bay had awful cap situation and his drafts weren't that good. Sure he made good with Nick Barnett, Aaron Kampman, and Scott Wells but for every good player he drafted there were 3 that were busts. That's where he screwed up as a GM.
Funny you must've missed the part where I gave Sherman credit for being a great coach. As a GM he I give him credit for very little things. Walker, Barnett, Kampman and Wells are pretty much his guys. As a Head Coach Sherman was solid and I give him credit for well prepared teams that won divsion titles. As a GM not so much. A GM’s job is to build a team and coaches job is to coach the players. Sherman was great at coaching the players he inherited from Ron Wolf. I give him praise for that.
TT did let Wahle go. He had to. He had to release Wahle because we couldn't pay his roster bonus. By releasing him he cleared up cap space. What TT screwed up on was not re-signing Mike Wahle. I've admitted that but with or without Mike Wahle I don't think this team is a playoff team. People act as if this team had Mike Wahle they'd be making a Super Bowl run. I highly doubt that.
The enter offensive line that you give credit to Sherman for was brought in by Ron Wolf. Favre was Wolf. Green, Driver, Franks were all brought in by Ron Wolf. Williams Henderson was drafted by Wolf as well. Ron Wolf drafted these guys and Mike Sherman inherited them. If there was 1 mistake Wolf made it was not building a Super Bowl caliber defense. Mike Sherman never fixed Wolf’s one and only mistake as that defense wasn’t very good and the players that were good, Sharper, KGB, Diggs and McKenzie were drafted by Ron Wolf. Sherman gave us Kampman and Barnett via the draft and brought in Al Harris and Grady Jackson.
Ahman Green was hurt. Javon Walker was hurt. Bubba Franks was hurt. So on and so on. We all know this team had probably more injuries than any team in football last year. The key guys who were hurt weren't guys brought in by Mike Sherman as a GM. They were guys brought in by Ron Wolf for Mike Sherman to Coach.
This team was successful because of a previous tenure with Ron Wolf that did great at drafting. Mike Sherman took over and did a fairly poor job at drafting and brining in players to put them over the top. Eventually that was going to catch up with us and it did. Starting with last year and now onto this year. Like I said it's a wait and see with Ted Thompson where as Sherman had 5 years as a GM and has very little to show for it. As a Head Coach he has a lot to show for. A winning record and division titles. As a GM not so much.
pyledriver80 said:
Huge difference in what Sherman and TT are doing. Sherman inherited a team built by maybe a HOF GM one day. He inherited a Super Bowl caliber team with that kind of players. They had draft picks from previous years that were still on the roster and contributing. Granted the Reynolds and Ferguson picks were made by Ron Wolf and they were awful. Although the story goes Sherman was high on Ferguson and Reynolds and really pushed Wolf for both. That’s what they say I’m not sure what went on behind the doors. I heard that on the radio and nobody seemed to argue. The 5 drafts before that draft were great and Ron Wolf had the team built where they could win for years to come and they did.
Mike Sherman on the other hand didn't build a team that would win for years to come. Green Bay had awful cap situation and his drafts weren't that good. Sure he made good with Nick Barnett, Aaron Kampman, and Scott Wells but for every good player he drafted there were 3 that were busts. That's where he screwed up as a GM.
Funny you must've missed the part where I gave Sherman credit for being a great coach. As a GM he I give him credit for very little things. Walker, Barnett, Kampman and Wells are pretty much his guys. As a Head Coach Sherman was solid and I give him credit for well prepared teams that won divsion titles. As a GM not so much. A GM’s job is to build a team and coaches job is to coach the players. Sherman was great at coaching the players he inherited from Ron Wolf. I give him praise for that.
TT did let Wahle go. He had to. He had to release Wahle because we couldn't pay his roster bonus. By releasing him he cleared up cap space. What TT screwed up on was not re-signing Mike Wahle. I've admitted that but with or without Mike Wahle I don't think this team is a playoff team. People act as if this team had Mike Wahle they'd be making a Super Bowl run. I highly doubt that.
The enter offensive line that you give credit to Sherman for was brought in by Ron Wolf. Favre was Wolf. Green, Driver, Franks were all brought in by Ron Wolf. Williams Henderson was drafted by Wolf as well. Ron Wolf drafted these guys and Mike Sherman inherited them. If there was 1 mistake Wolf made it was not building a Super Bowl caliber defense. Mike Sherman never fixed Wolf’s one and only mistake as that defense wasn’t very good and the players that were good, Sharper, KGB, Diggs and McKenzie were drafted by Ron Wolf. Sherman gave us Kampman and Barnett via the draft and brought in Al Harris and Grady Jackson.
Ahman Green was hurt. Javon Walker was hurt. Bubba Franks was hurt. So on and so on. We all know this team had probably more injuries than any team in football last year. The key guys who were hurt weren't guys brought in by Mike Sherman as a GM. They were guys brought in by Ron Wolf for Mike Sherman to Coach.
This team was successful because of a previous tenure with Ron Wolf that did great at drafting. Mike Sherman took over and did a fairly poor job at drafting and brining in players to put them over the top. Eventually that was going to catch up with us and it did. Starting with last year and now onto this year. Like I said it's a wait and see with Ted Thompson where as Sherman had 5 years as a GM and has very little to show for it. As a Head Coach he has a lot to show for. A winning record and division titles. As a GM not so much.
ulls up a chair so he can sit and watch this bloodbath:
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