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[bigbubbatd]

Don't forget Rodgers and his recent past here. His glaring lack of trust for WRs not named Adams is an issue and makes me hesitant to claim that it is a issue of talent. No one knows for sure because 12 did not give them a chance to shine. That could be a contributing factor for a proven WR to say no to coming here.

Who are the wrs that have left green bay and been good? Who are the guys Rodgers should have trusted more?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who are the wrs that have left green bay and been good? Who are the guys Rodgers should have trusted more?

Hey now, stop stating facts! It ruins peoples narrative that AR is a crappy QB because he has chased all these great WR's out of Green Bay due to him not wanting to work with them.

 

[Mavster]

Don't forget Rodgers and his recent past here. His glaring lack of trust for WRs not named Adams is an issue and makes me hesitant to claim that it is a issue of talent. No one knows for sure because 12 did not give them a chance to shine. That could be a contributing factor for a proven WR to say no to coming here.

Which players are you referring to?

 

[GleefulGary]

Don't forget Rodgers and his recent past here. His glaring lack of trust for WRs not named Adams is an issue and makes me hesitant to claim that it is a issue of talent. No one knows for sure because 12 did not give them a chance to shine. That could be a contributing factor for a proven WR to say no to coming here.

Not this **** again.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Don't forget Rodgers and his recent past here. His glaring lack of trust for WRs not named Adams is an issue and makes me hesitant to claim that it is a issue of talent. No one knows for sure because 12 did not give them a chance to shine. That could be a contributing factor for a proven WR to say no to coming here.

Absolutely! An alien presence has taken over Rodgers body in order to ruin your life.

Run the right route against that defense and get some separation (or don't get separation) and he will throw you the ball. If he looks for you where you should be doing what you should do and you're not there or not doing what you should, well.... It comes down to route running and that means being able to read defenses.

 

[Do7]

Don't forget Rodgers and his recent past here. His glaring lack of trust for WRs not named Adams is an issue and makes me hesitant to claim that it is a issue of talent. No one knows for sure because 12 did not give them a chance to shine. That could be a contributing factor for a proven WR to say no to coming here.

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[tynimiller]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but I believe that not one UDFA made the Packer's 53 man roster this year. Is that a sign that the Packers had a good draft and a decent carry over roster or just a result of the shortened, no preseason games year that only gave UDFA's the limited chance to shine on the Practice field?

This year UDFA's no, but we do have a few I'd recommend including:

Randy Ramsey makes the 53 cut, after last season saw him go undrafted, signed by GB to our practice squad.

Yosh Nijam similar to Ramsey, spent most of his time on PS last year after being an UDFA in 2019.

Also Kabion Ento, same thing.

The three UDFA's that had the best chance of making roster this year were IMO Tipa, Samuels and Barnes...which I'm happy to see all 3 are current PS guys. I could easily see each of them playing out similar into 2021.

*Malik Taylor is also another 2019 UDFA....but unlike the others came to us after his initial time with the Bucs.

It is still a little surprising not one 2020 UDFA cracked the squad, but with such an unusual year and the challenges facing these guys it isn't terribly shocking. Great year for the PS squad expansion though.

 

[McKnowledge]

I don't know what or if Gute had much interest in Robinson or what the story was there.

Did you read the articles in the links?

Maybe we don't want to spend big money for free agent WRs to get here, and I'd say normally we don't need to.

These are abnormal times.

With the uncertainty of the pandemic and how it will affect the salary cap next season, teams across the league are throwing money at players with hopes of getting value a few years from now.

If the team is interested in extending Aaron Jones and eventually Bahk, clearly there's enough money to go around. Teams aren't normally in contention for the Super Bowl with a first year HC. There may be some more moves on the horizon.

 

[McKnowledge]

It's probably a committee affair, but I'd lay odds on Tonyan being highest snap count guy in the group. He came in as an oversized WR conversion without much in the way of blocking skills. We saw him progress last year into a pretty respectable blocker. We know he has good speed (sub-4.6) and decent hands from the few balls thrown his way. The remaining question is route running and QB chemistry when the bright lights come on.

Deguara might turn into something approximating his draft status, but I think his snaps are going to be primarily as a blocker in a rookie year in a short camp and with no preseason. Sternberger, another 3rd. rounder, is still to this point an oversized WR; his blocking has not been up to snuff in the little action we've seen. I don't think there was high confidence in Sternberger's development when they went and drafted Deguara.

I think the scouting department knew what they were getting drafting these in rounds 3 and later. The Gronks and Kittles of the world, that are both elite at blocking and catching is rare. I think Degura will be the blocking TE, with Sternberger and Tonyan battling for snaps. I agree with Tonyan emerging. Plus training in the off-season with Kittle doesn't hurt.

 

[McKnowledge]

Well, I would not call signing The Jones Brothers as missing out. Nor did we overpay imo. But that and Amos and Turner did not leave us with a lot more room to do much else. And a lot of Green Bay Packers say they would love to stay and play. And I don't think that is some kind of weak negotiating ploy. It used to be that way a long time ago and maybe some players still see it that way, but I don't consider it a big problem anymore. Some of that, like in the 80s, we were so bad. Doesn't help to be really bad.

Do you mean "The Smith Brothers", Zadarius and Preston?

For the record I love the acquisitions from last off-season, but they were gambles. Z. Smith was seeking his first big money deal as a featured player (check and check), while Preston was seeking probably his last big contract of his career with a better organization (double check). Its fair to say the first year of their deals were massive successes and along with Amos transformed the culture.

However, if these guys were marquee free agents (All-Pros) I don't think they would've strongly considered Green Bay. Sometimes its about timing and opportunity. Very grateful for the free agent class of 2019.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Absolutely! An alien presence has taken over Rodgers body in order to ruin your life.

Run the right route against that defense and get some separation (or don't get separation) and he will throw you the ball. If he looks for you where you should be doing what you should do and you're not there or not doing what you should, well.... It comes down to route running and that means being able to read defenses.

Yeah and I think Rodgers is pretty good at reading defenses, hence the great TD/INT ratio. I don't really agree that he ignores WRs because he doesn't trust them. For me that's a stretch. If Rodgers doesn't trust a guy that's good enough for me. In the same breath, I hope he works with those guys in practice and even in game situations so they understand what he expects and can earn his trust. I think he's earned that over the years. I do wish he would take a few more chances with the ball. He's the complete opposite of Favre in that regard. I don't want him to become the gunslinger Favre was, but taking a few more chances would probably help.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's probably a committee affair, but I'd lay odds on Tonyan being highest snap count guy in the group. He came in as an oversized WR conversion without much in the way of blocking skills. We saw him progress last year into a pretty respectable blocker. We know he has good speed (sub-4.6) and decent hands from the few balls thrown his way. The remaining question is route running and QB chemistry when the bright lights come on.

Deguara might turn into something approximating his draft status, but I think his snaps are going to be primarily as a blocker in a rookie year in a short camp and with no preseason. Sternberger, another 3rd. rounder, is still to this point an oversized WR; his blocking has not been up to snuff in the little action we've seen. I don't think there was high confidence in Sternberger's development when they went and drafted Deguara.

All good points. If Gluten felt he had someone special in Sternberger, I don't think he burns a 3rd round pick on a TE.

And I don't expect much from Josh in year one beyond blocking and acting as a FB. I'd love to be surprised here, but it seems that TE will indeed be a committee thing this year.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Did you read the articles in the links?



These are abnormal times.

With the uncertainty of the pandemic and how it will affect the salary cap next season, teams across the league are throwing money at players with hopes of getting value a few years from now.

If the team is interested in extending Aaron Jones and eventually Bahk, clearly there's enough money to go around. Teams aren't normally in contention for the Super Bowl with a first year HC. There may be some more moves on the horizon.

1. Did read the articles, and Robinson said he chose Chicago because he wanted to play for Nagy. But considering he turned down a number of other teams narrowing it down to us or them, I'd take that as having done pretty well.

2. I didn't say we shouldn't try to sign a good FA WR, just saying in the past we've usually not needed to go that route.

All that to say I don't see any evidence that Green Bay is this "avoid like the plague" place. Now ... I'm not saying that having Rodgers on the team is an automatic lure for FAs to come here. But it's not a deterrent either.

Now ... I don't know nor do I really care if we've signed fewer FAs over the last 30 years than any other team. If so ... I'd say that would tell me that we've been one of the better organizations at drafting. Plus with WR, that's a position where a lot of teams will look to hold pretty tight to their assets such as the Falcons signing Julio to that big contract.

I don't know, but I just don't see free agency as some big problem for Green Bay. I think the evidence is far more overwhelming that WR is just not a priority for Gute.

 

[XPack]

Is that a sign that the Packers had a good draft

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[McKnowledge]

1. Did read the articles, and Robinson said he chose Chicago because he wanted to play for Nagy. But considering he turned down a number of other teams narrowing it down to us or them, I'd take that as having done pretty well.

Having done pretty well woud've been signing him. No consolation in that.

2. I didn't say we shouldn't try to sign a good FA WR, just saying in the past we've usually not needed to go that route.

Haven't needed to go that route because Green Bay always had competent WRs, which usually yielded a diverse WR corp.

All that to say I don't see any evidence that Green Bay is this "avoid like the plague" place. Now ... I'm not saying that having Rodgers on the team is an automatic lure for FAs to come here. But it's not a deterrent either.

Never said Green Bay is the "Chernobyl" of the NFL, and definitely never implied that Aaron Rodgers was ever a deterrent for free agents. On the contrary, Rodgers automatically comes to mind whenever any free agent considers Green Bay. However, Green Bay as a town itself is considered just as strongly.

Now ... I don't know nor do I really care if we've signed fewer FAs over the last 30 years than any other team. If so ... I'd say that would tell me that we've been one of the better organizations at drafting. Plus with WR, that's a position where a lot of teams will look to hold pretty tight to their assets such as the Falcons signing Julio to that big contract.

Julio Jones is an outlier. Nearly every other All-Pro receiver in the last decade has either been traded or outright released. Jones is essentially the perfect player. With all strengths and no weakness off and on the field, he has constantly given Atlanta a "hometown" discount, possesses zero ego, and came into the league as a high 1st round draft pick. Atlanta gave up a lot of capital to draft him, they wouldn't ever move on from him. There has never been a WR in Green Bay remotely resembling him.

I don't know, but I just don't see free agency as some big problem for Green Bay. I think the evidence is far more overwhelming that WR is just not a priority for Gute.

I think WR is a priority to Gute so much, that he made a pretty huge offer to Allen Robinson and drafted 3 WRs in 2018 along with adding Lazard as an UDFA. This season, its possible Gute facing uncertainty with the pandemic, might've felt drafting a WR wouldn't make an impact. Time will tell.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Having done pretty well woud've been signing him. No consolation in that.



Haven't needed to go that route because Green Bay always had competent WRs, which usually yielded a diverse WR corp.



Never said Green Bay is the "Chernobyl" of the NFL, and definitely never implied that Aaron Rodgers was ever a deterrent for free agents. On the contrary, Rodgers automatically comes to mind whenever any free agent considers Green Bay. However, Green Bay as a town itself is considered just as strongly.



Julio Jones is an outlier. Nearly every other All-Pro receiver in the last decade has either been traded or outright released. Jones is essentially the perfect player. With all strengths and no weakness off and on the field, he has constantly given Atlanta a "hometown" discount, possesses zero ego, and came into the league as a high 1st round draft pick. Atlanta gave up a lot of capital to draft him, they wouldn't ever move on from him. There has never been a WR in Green Bay remotely resembling him.



I think WR is a priority to Gute so much, that he made a pretty huge offer to Allen Robinson and drafted 3 WRs in 2018 along with adding Lazard as an UDFA. This season, its possible Gute facing uncertainty with the pandemic, might've felt drafting a WR wouldn't make an impact. Time will tell.

Well, I was thinking it was pretty good in that he was considering us over say ... Dallas, one of the most if not the most competitive FA destinations in the league. You definitely got the allure of places like that, or now with the Rams back in LA and soon to have the new stadium. In other words, we may not be the top FA destination, but we're usually in the mix if you were to narrow down the top 10.

And as to Gutes priority, well ... yes one draft so far of any WR action, and one of which fell off the team pretty quickly (Moore). The other 2 have yet to be determined, but one is entering year 3 and it's either produce or bust for him (MVS). ESB and Lazard still are ?s, but ... It is what it is.

It's just when you compare that to how much he's been going after TEs with, already signing 2 free agents there, plus drafting 2 in the top 3 rounds .... That tells me where his priorities are in terms of offense.

 

[McKnowledge]

Well, I was thinking it was pretty good in that he was considering us over say ... Dallas, one of the most if not the most competitive FA destinations in the league. You definitely got the allure of places like that, or now with the Rams back in LA and soon to have the new stadium. In other words, we may not be the top FA destination, but we're usually in the mix if you were to narrow down the top 10.

And as to Gutes priority, well ... yes one draft so far of any WR action, and one of which fell off the team pretty quickly (Moore). The other 2 have yet to be determined, but one is entering year 3 and it's either produce or bust for him (MVS). ESB and Lazard still are ?s, but ... It is what it is.

It's just when you compare that to how much he's been going after TEs with, already signing 2 free agents there, plus drafting 2 in the top 3 rounds .... That tells me where his priorities are in terms of offense.

Fair enough

 

[Dblbogey]

Gute has tried to sign marquee free agents in the past but it didn't always work out. Allen Robinson received an offer from Green Bay comparable or better than Chicago's, but ultimately chose the Bears over the Packers.

Chicago as a team is inferior in nearly every aspect as an organization to Green Bay, but it doesn't prevent free agents from choosing the Bears (and spurning the Packers) over and over again.

I think what a lot of fans try to avoid discussing, is that many free agents don't want to come and play in Green Bay. There are many reasons (excuses), but facts don't lie.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...wr-allen-robinson-before-he-landed-in-chicago

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...t-wr-allen-robinson-chose-bears-over-packers/

Those free agents choosing the Bears over the Packers have helped the Bears continue to suck.