Comparing 2008 Packers Roster vs 2023 Packers Roster

[Schultz]

Now the new question becomes " which is a higher %? Posters who want GB to win a SB with Love at QB because"
1. They are Packer fans.
2. Captain will admit Love was a good pick.
3. They can tell us how they were right all along about Love.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is going to take a SB? Something which Aaron-Freaking-Rodgers only did how many times? I get it, but that is quite a high level of having to achieve to have been a good pick - at least we both hope that happens

Yup, if we go by the standards set by some Aaron-Freaking-Rodgers supporter, A-F-R was only a successful QB, for 1 season during his career in GB.....

What I find so comical and confusing is that a few have their hackles set so high and their blinders on so tight, that they can't seem to think or see clearly on this topic. I have seen very few fans be overly critical of Rodgers abilities as a player, he has been a freaking stud at playing QB and will be a first ballot HOF'er. I have also seen very few fans gush about what Jordan Love has done so far in his career. What I have seen is a lot of fans talking about the reasons to move on from Rodgers and hand the keys to Love, something the Packer front office seems to have agreed with as well.

Aaron Rodgers did a lot of great things for the Packers, but for most of us, that doesn't place him so high up on a pedestal, that some of his doesn't stink.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Now the new question becomes " which is a higher %? Posters who want GB to win a SB with Love at QB because"
1. They are Packer fans.
2. Captain will admit Love was a good pick.
3. They can tell us how they were right all along about Love.

For me..... #1 for sure. However, I could care less if it is Love or any other QB that is playing, it is a team game.

#2 will never happen and I could care less if it does.

#3 would just be delicious frosting on the SB cake. Although, at this point, I think it was the correct decision to draft Love. If they didn't, guessing they would have used one of their first rounders or even more draft capital in 2021, 2022 or this past draft, to draft or trade for a QB. At least Love has had 3 years to get ready, seemed to work for Rodgers.

 

[OldSchool101]

Now the new question becomes " which is a higher %? Posters who want GB to win a SB with Love at QB because"
1. They are Packer fans.
2. Captain will admit Love was a good pick.
3. They can tell us how they were right all along about Love.

The levels of complaining or internal bickering will be relative to the Winning or losing %. If we win a SB or even shock the league at 15-2?
I’ll be kissing you like an Italian after a eating good Fettuccine Alfredo with garlic bread.

 

[milani]

Now the new question becomes " which is a higher %? Posters who want GB to win a SB with Love at QB because"
1. They are Packer fans.
2. Captain will admit Love was a good pick.
3. They can tell us how they were right all along about Love.

We will all say it is because we are Packer fans.

 

[milani]

The levels of complaining or internal bickering will be relative to the Winning or losing %. If we win a SB or even shock the league at 15-2?
I’ll be kissing you like an Italian after a eating good Fettuccine Alfredo with garlic bread.

Actually when I frequented Lombardi's Steakhouse in GB and Appleton the Fettucine Alfredo was outstanding. Now I will have to have a repeat performance.

 

[OldSchool101]

Actually when I frequented Lombardi's Steakhouse in GB and Appleton the Fettucine Alfredo was outstanding. Now I will have to have a repeat performance.

Sounds wonderful I’ll have to remember that thank you

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Buddy of mine asked if I felt the young Rodgers had a better roster or Love does going into their first year as "the man"....to be honest I didn't remember the 2008 roster for sure so had to pull it up...for point of sharing here pasted below are the two rosters compared by position groups, I've put the year I feel gets the nod as better each time so that is why you see the order of 2008 or 2023 change at times for each position group:

QB
2008 - Aaron Rodgers / Matt Flynn
2023 - Jordan Love / Sean Clifford
*I give 08' a nod here probably out of sheer hindsight creates biasness when dealing with one of the best EVER...but retrospectively it is quite a close thing 2008 Rodgers to 2023 Love from a known commodity.

RB
2023 - Aaron Jones / AJ Dillon and company
2008 - Ryan Grant / Brandon Jackson
*IMO 2023 by A LOT

TE
2008 - Donald Lee / Jermichael Finley / Tory Humphrey
2023 - Deguara / Musgrave / Kraft
*This is honestly a tie IMO...Finley was no more known than Musgrave or Kraft are and Deguara and Lee had similar experience, but Lee JUST SLIGHTLY due to that one year he had nearly 600 yards prior.

WR
2008 - Jordy Nelson / Greg Jennings / Donald Driver / James Jones / Ruvell Martin
2023 - Watson / Doubs / Reed / Wicks / Toure
*On the surface quickly would go 2008...but remember Nelson was a rookie in 2008, Jones was in 2007...Driver and Jennings however STILL provide a clear 2008 win by proven results with Jones promising rookie campaign a bonus.

OL
2023 - Bakh / Jenkins / Myers / Tom / Nijman / Runyan / Rhyan / Newman
2008 - Barbre / Colledge / Sitton / Giacomini / Wells / Spitz / Tauscher
*Top shelf guys Bakh and Jenkins get massive nod IMO, middle of the lists might lean 08' but we have vastly more experience and depth of "starts" in 2023 IMO which means 23' takes it.

Front Seven (tough to compare as we ran different style...so doing main front 7 types)
2023 - Clark / Wyatt / Wooden / Brooks / Slayton / Campbell / Q. Walker / Gary / P Smith / LVN / Enagbare
2008 - Harrell / Pickett / Jenkins / Pettway / Kampman / Montgomery / Barnett / Poppinga / Bishop / Chillar
*I feel very strongly that this may be the group that 2023 beats 2008 the most (more than RB IMO). Clark and Campbell and Gary are All Pro caliber recently guys, Wyatt and Walker showcased belonging...Slayton improvement for sure and we haven't touched on the rest....2008 had a few VERY SOLID guys but the presence across board just doesn't compare.

CB
2008 - *Woodson / Harris / Tramon / Bush / Blackmon / Peprah / P Lee
2023 - Jaire / Rasul / Stokes / Nixon / Ballentine / Valentine
*Initially when I see Woodson or Harris I quickly went 08'....but I think this is closer than I originally thought but 08' still for sure.

S
2008 - Collins (MY MAN) / Rouse / Bigby / *Woodson
2023 - Savage / Ford / Moore / Owens / Johnson / Gaines / Leavitt
*Collins alone makes 08' get nod...however I'll say we are much deeper with experience and potential in 23'

K/P/LS
2008 - Crosby / Kapinos / Goode
2023 - Carlson / O'Donnell / Orzech?
*Crosby for sure over...O'Donnell for sure over and LS Goode...08' gets nod, Crosby alone at this point in his career I say gets it alone.

In summary:

2008 - Clearly got WR / CB / S / K/P/LS
Close Calls - QB 2008 gets it
Ties - TE group
2023 - Clearly got IMO OL / Front 7 Defense / RB

Tyni,

Interested why you left starting ILB AJ Hawk off of the 2008 list, and why Brian Brohm didn't make the list?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It is going to take a SB? Something which Aaron-Freaking-Rodgers only did how many times? I get it, but that is quite a high level of having to achieve to have been a good pick - at least we both hope that happens

I definitely hope that Love will win at least one Super Bowl with the Packers.

Just to clarify, Love doesn't need to win a Super Bowl for me to consider him a good quarterback. But as I'm one of those fans who believe that Gutekunst selecting a different prospect in the first round of the 2020 draft would have improved the team's chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020 and '21 it would take another Lombardi Trophy for me to consider it a good pick.

Now we just need to get behind him and pray he doesn’t flop.

Absolutely true. There's no doubt I'm hoping Love is the team's next elite quarterback.

Now the new question becomes " which is a higher %? Posters who want GB to win a SB with Love at QB because"
1. They are Packer fans.
2. Captain will admit Love was a good pick.
3. They can tell us how they were right all along about Love.

Put me down for #1. I would happily eat a lot of crow if Love ends up winning a Super Bowl resulting in #2 as well Unfortunately there are a lot of posters mostly concerned with #3 though.

Yup, if we go by the standards set by some Aaron-Freaking-Rodgers supporter, A-F-R was only a successful QB, for 1 season during his career in GB.....

It's difficult to correctly follow a discussion when you have half of the regulars on ignore

#2 will never happen and I could care less if it does.

I'm sorry you're still bitter about our breakup. You will get over it at some point though

 

[tynimiller]

Tyni,

Interested why you left starting ILB AJ Hawk off of the 2008 list, and why Brian Brohm didn't make the list?

just oversight on Hawk and I didn't list Brohm and a few others solely as not notable IMO. I knew I wasn't going to recall all or missed something.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

just oversight on Hawk and I didn't list Brohm and a few others solely as not notable IMO. I knew I wasn't going to recall all or missed something.

Brian Brohm has to be in the top 10 of Busted picks in the last 30 years for the Packers. Picked in the 2nd round (#56) and he never played a regular season down for the Packers. Either TT and the Packers didn't have confidence in a young Rodgers or perhaps they were willing to spend that high of a pick on a backup/investment QB? Either way, ended up being a terrible pick.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm sorry you're still bitter about our breakup. You will get over it at some point though

We’re you talking about Rodgers or were you and Poker secret Lovers? I’m just trying to figure out who played Captain and who played Poker
I’m so sorry I couldn’t let that one hang out there, it was T’d up for a 400 yard Drive!

 

[Poppa San]

the top 10 of Busted picks in the last 30 years for the Packers.

Interesting title for a separate thread. I don't have time ATM to create it. Just saw a tweet about Tony ManI'mrich being on an overhyped list. At least he was more than 30 years ago so isn't eligible for the proposed thread.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Brian Brohm has to be in the top 10 of Busted picks in the last 30 years for the Packers. Picked in the 2nd round (#56) and he never played a regular season down for the Packers. Either TT and the Packers didn't have confidence in a young Rodgers or perhaps they were willing to spend that high of a pick on a backup/investment QB? Either way, ended up being a terrible pick.

He wouldn't even be TED's worst bust

 

[tynimiller]

Interesting title for a separate thread. I don't have time ATM to create it. Just saw a tweet about Tony ManI'mrich being on an overhyped list. At least he was more than 30 years ago so isn't eligible for the proposed thread.

So my buddy and I going into this draft had a discussion last two decades who our top ten worst picks were:

Small discussion on my picks...to me to even be considered you gotta be a 3rd rounder or higher. Zero reasons to hold issues with someone after that....even third is tough but I get it:

I found my list I built of guys to even consider:

Kenny Peterson DT 2003 3rd Rounder
Joey Thomas DB 2004 3rd Rounder
Terrence Murphy WR 2005 2nd Rounder
Justin Harrell DT 2007 1st Rounder
Brian Brohm QB 2008 2nd Rounder
Pat Lee DB 2008 2nd Rounder
Derek Sherrod OT 2011 1st Rounder
Alex Green RB 2011 3rd Rounder
Jerel Worthy DT 2012 2nd rounder
Datone Jones DE 2013 1st rounder
Khyri Thornton DT 2014 3rd rounder
Demarious Randall DB 2015 1st rounder
Quinten Rollins DB 2015 2nd rounder
Jason Spriggs OT 2016 2nd rounder
Josh Jones S 2017 2nd rounder
Josh Jackson DB 2018 2nd rounder
Amari Rodgers WR 2021 3rd rounder

Then my personal list starting with the "best of the ten - to the worst"

10-Josh Jones S 2017 2nd rounder
9-Brian Brohm QB 2008 2nd Rounder
8-Derek Sherrod OT 2011 1st Rounder *his injury sucks and has to be considered and held against him at some point....
7-Quinten Rollins DB 2015 2nd rounder
6-Josh Jackson DB 2018 2nd rounder
5-Terrence Murphy WR 2005 2nd Rounder
4-Demarious Randall DB 2015 1st rounder
3-Jason Spriggs OT 2016 2nd rounder
2-Datone Jones DE 2013 1st rounder
1-Justin Harrell DT 2007 1st Rounder

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Tyni,

Would John Michels fit on this list? Heir apparent to Rutgers, I believe has a Superbowl ring but 3 years later we're drafting Verba

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So my buddy and I going into this draft had a discussion last two decades who our top ten worst picks were:

Small discussion on my picks...to me to even be considered you gotta be a 3rd rounder or higher. Zero reasons to hold issues with someone after that....even third is tough but I get it:

I found my list I built of guys to even consider:

Kenny Peterson DT 2003 3rd Rounder
Joey Thomas DB 2004 3rd Rounder
Terrence Murphy WR 2005 2nd Rounder
Justin Harrell DT 2007 1st Rounder
Brian Brohm QB 2008 2nd Rounder
Pat Lee DB 2008 2nd Rounder
Derek Sherrod OT 2011 1st Rounder
Alex Green RB 2011 3rd Rounder
Jerel Worthy DT 2012 2nd rounder
Datone Jones DE 2013 1st rounder
Khyri Thornton DT 2014 3rd rounder
Demarious Randall DB 2015 1st rounder
Quinten Rollins DB 2015 2nd rounder
Jason Spriggs OT 2016 2nd rounder
Josh Jones S 2017 2nd rounder
Josh Jackson DB 2018 2nd rounder
Amari Rodgers WR 2021 3rd rounder

Then my personal list starting with the "best of the ten - to the worst"

10-Josh Jones S 2017 2nd rounder
9-Brian Brohm QB 2008 2nd Rounder
8-Derek Sherrod OT 2011 1st Rounder *his injury sucks and has to be considered and held against him at some point....
7-Quinten Rollins DB 2015 2nd rounder
6-Josh Jackson DB 2018 2nd rounder
5-Terrence Murphy WR 2005 2nd Rounder
4-Demarious Randall DB 2015 1st rounder
3-Jason Spriggs OT 2016 2nd rounder
2-Datone Jones DE 2013 1st rounder
1-Justin Harrell DT 2007 1st Rounder

Good list. There are a few (D. Jones, D. Randall, R. Rollins) that I wouldn't have as high as you. Those 3 guys, while yes, not great players, at least they contributed during their time in GB. Those contributions were a mixed bag of course.

I might throw these guys in the mix, maybe not all are top 10, but a few are, IMO.

- Ahmad Carroll
- Brandon Jackson
- Pat Lee
- Jerel Worthy
- J'Mon Moore (yeah, 4th round, but he was total bust)
- Vince Biegel (same as Moore).
- Jace Sternberger
- Amari Rodgers

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Tyni,

Would John Michels fit on this list? Heir apparent to Rutgers, I believe has a Superbowl ring but 3 years later we're drafting Verba

He was 1996, think Tyni was going for the last 20 years.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

He was 1996, think Tyni was going for the last 20 years.

yeah sorry thought we were doing 30

 

[mradtke66]

So my buddy and I going into this draft had a discussion last two decades who our top ten worst picks were:

Small discussion on my picks...to me to even be considered you gotta be a 3rd rounder or higher. Zero reasons to hold issues with someone after that....even third is tough but I get it:

<snip>

10-Josh Jones S 2017 2nd rounder
9-Brian Brohm QB 2008 2nd Rounder
8-Derek Sherrod OT 2011 1st Rounder *his injury sucks and has to be considered and held against him at some point....
7-Quinten Rollins DB 2015 2nd rounder
6-Josh Jackson DB 2018 2nd rounder
5-Terrence Murphy WR 2005 2nd Rounder
4-Demarious Randall DB 2015 1st rounder
3-Jason Spriggs OT 2016 2nd rounder
2-Datone Jones DE 2013 1st rounder
1-Justin Harrell DT 2007 1st Rounder

I have a hard time holding anything against Sherrod, Murphy, and even Harrell.

Wasn't Sherrod's fault he got blindsided and then had some of the worst luck getting surgery.

How can you blame Murphy get literally breaking his neck on a kick off?

Harrell's back injury, which is what ended his career, was caused in the weight room. I remember hearing rumors ( I cannot find the link anymore ) that the injury was caused by the SAC coach. Interestingly, said SAC coach got fired.

To quibble more, I'd bump Datone lower or maybe swap Randall. At least we got snaps out of Datone for his entire contract. Randall got cut for being a cancer.

And probably move Brohm higher up the list. 2nd round pick that didn't even last 2 years? His draft status is what saved his rookie season. Did he even play a snap? Everyone else on the list did.

 

[tynimiller]

Tyni,

Would John Michels fit on this list? Heir apparent to Rutgers, I believe has a Superbowl ring but 3 years later we're drafting Verba

Last two decades.

 

[tynimiller]

I have a hard time holding anything against Sherrod, Murphy, and even Harrell.

Wasn't Sherrod's fault he got blindsided and then had some of the worst luck getting surgery.

How can you blame Murphy get literally breaking his neck on a kick off?

Harrell's back injury, which is what ended his career, was caused in the weight room. I remember hearing rumors ( I cannot find the link anymore ) that the injury was caused by the SAC coach. Interestingly, said SAC coach got fired.

To quibble more, I'd bump Datone lower or maybe swap Randall. At least we got snaps out of Datone for his entire contract. Randall got cut for being a cancer.

And probably move Brohm higher up the list. 2nd round pick that didn't even last 2 years? His draft status is what saved his rookie season. Did he even play a snap? Everyone else on the list did.

All legit takes. I wouldn't personally come off my ten but for sure could even argue with myself the order needs amended.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

I'm on Tyni's side on Harrell, and I'll go a step further. Ted had NO BUSINESS making him a #1 because didn't he have injury issues at UT as well?

 

[OldSchool101]

I didn’t see Oren Burks. He’s not a total bust because he did contribute on ST. Although as a top 100 selection you’re pretty much expecting those guys to be serviceable starters also. He started with an injury and then could get on or stay on the field outside of ST.
We’ll call him disappoint category

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

I didn’t see Oren Burks. He’s not a total bust because he did contribute on ST. Although as a top 100 selection you’re pretty much expecting those guys to be serviceable starters also.
We’ll call it disappoint

The REAL problem with Burks is we should've drafted Cunningham