Bad news for the Vikings

[Deleted member 6794]

Mark Sanchez was cut and they could have gotten him for free. I would rate him slightly better than Bradford. Their stats are similar but Sanchez is a stronger leader and has more success.

To date, Bradford has never won a playoff game and I doubt that changes this season.

Sanchez had the benefit of playing with an elite defenses during the two years the Jets made it to the AFC Championship game. On the other hand Bradford never played on a team that featured a top 10 defense.

In my opinion Bradford is a better w
quarterback than Sanchez. If the difference between the two is worth giving up a first and a fourth round pick is questionable though.

Isnt 31st oldest the same as being the 2nd youngest?

True. The Vikings are the second oldest team in the league entering this season.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2016-edition/

 

[Curly Calhoun]

According to the Journal Sentinel the Packers current roster is the youngest of the team in the last 30 years and possibly ever at 25.08 years per player.

That has to be a sobering thought for those waiting for the Pack to get old......

Ted likes the young guns. They're relatively cheap, are willing to play on special teams, and still have something to prove.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That has to be a sobering thought for those waiting for the Pack to get old......

It might be a sobering thought for some Packers fans wanting the team to be a little bit more experienced as well though.

 

[PikeBadger]

That has to be a sobering thought for those waiting for the Pack to get old......

Ted likes the young guns. They're relatively cheap, are willing to play on special teams, and still have something to prove.

I was very surprised to see that stat. I was under the impression that this roster was older than others we've fielded. Keeping 13 rooks and getting rid of Kuhn, Raji, Masthay, Sitton has brought the average down I guess.

 

[Half Empty]

That has to be a sobering thought for those waiting for the Pack to get old......

Ted likes the young guns. They're relatively cheap, are willing to play on special teams, and still have something to prove.

There's only one guy that folks look forward to or fear getting old.

 

[Poppa San]

There's only one guy that folks look forward to or fear getting old.

I am humbled by your concern for me but rest assured it is misplaced.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

That has to be a sobering thought for those waiting for the Pack to get old......

Ted likes the young guns. They're relatively cheap, are willing to play on special teams, and still have something to prove.

Having a young roster is cheap but does tend to hurt special teams quite a bit. If you have a bunch of first year guys on kick coverage, it's not surprising that kick coverage isn't very good (that happened a few years ago when injuries forced the Packers to have about six or seven first time guys on the coverage teams and they were terrible).

 

[Raptorman]

Yeah in what world are Johnson and Thelien number 2 types? Johnson has done very little in the NFL. Similar to Thelien who had been much more a special teams player. Even Diggs only had one game over 55 yards the second half of last year. Diggs had a terrific 4 game stretch but the last 8 were nothing special. 27 catches for 300 yards over those 8 games.

If wouldnt call Bridgewater emerging by putting up almost identically below average numbers between year one and year two. He was a very limited passer

The wr core has 3 guys who are probably one of the worst and least proven starting 3 in the NFL. Treadwell could change that but Johnson and Thelien are not likely to change that view

Last 8 games of regular season.

Diggs. 24 catches, 259 yards, 10.8 yards per catch. One game with 55+ yards
Cobb. 39 Catches, 353 yards, 9.1 yards per catch. Two games with 55+ yards.

Jarius Wright 22 catches, 250 yards. 11.4 yards per catch. One games 55+ yards.
Devante Adams 33 catches 290 yards 8.8 yards per catch. One game 55+ yards

Of course Cobb and Adams had Rodgers throwing them the ball.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Last 8 games of regular season.

Diggs. 24 catches, 259 yards, 10.8 yards per catch. One game with 55+ yards
Cobb. 39 Catches, 353 yards, 9.1 yards per catch. Two games with 55+ yards.

Jarius Wright 22 catches, 250 yards. 11.4 yards per catch. One games 55+ yards.
Devante Adams 33 catches 290 yards 8.8 yards per catch. One game 55+ yards

Of course Cobb and Adams had Rodgers throwing them the ball.

The Packers wrs had more catches and more yards during a time when the passing game was as bad as it has been with Rodgers and while it was missing it's number 1 wr Jordy Nelson. If the vikings are not as good as the Packers minus Nelson then the Vikings are not impressive. Not to mention Cobb was playing out of position and with a shoulder injury.

 

[Raptorman]

The Packers wrs had more catches and more yards during a time when the passing game was as bad as it has been with Rodgers and while it was missing it's number 1 wr Jordy Nelson. If the vikings are not as good as the Packers minus Nelson then the Vikings are not impressive. Not to mention Cobb was playing out of position and with a shoulder injury.

Rodgers threw 572 times last year to Bridgewater's 442 times. 22% more. So the Packer WR's should have had more catches. It's simple math.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Rodgers threw 572 times last year to Bridgewater's 442 times. 22% more. So the Packer WR's should have had more catches. It's simple math.

So neither team's wr were impressive last year. Is that your point bc i am not arguing that. My point was Diggs is overvalued in my mind because after a great 4 game stretch he averaged 3 catches for 32 yards per game the second half of the season. That is the definition of pedestrian. Maybe it was his qb, maybe it was the offense, maybe defenses figured him out. My point was simply that someone brought up the Viking wrs as impressive and the eye test and the stats say the were average at best by almost every measure

 

[PFanCan]

Last 8 games of regular season.

Diggs. 24 catches, 259 yards, 10.8 yards per catch. One game with 55+ yards
Cobb. 39 Catches, 353 yards, 9.1 yards per catch. Two games with 55+ yards.

Jarius Wright 22 catches, 250 yards. 11.4 yards per catch. One games 55+ yards.
Devante Adams 33 catches 290 yards 8.8 yards per catch. One game 55+ yards

Of course Cobb and Adams had Rodgers throwing them the ball.

Cobb and D Adams had horrible seasons last year. Looks to me that Diggs and J Wright were horribler.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Cobb and D Adams had horrible seasons last year. Looks to me that Diggs and J Wright were horribler.

There's nothing horribler than a word that isn't real. I think my english teacher just rolled over in her grave.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Last 8 games of regular season.

Diggs. 24 catches, 259 yards, 10.8 yards per catch. One game with 55+ yards
Cobb. 39 Catches, 353 yards, 9.1 yards per catch. Two games with 55+ yards.

Jarius Wright 22 catches, 250 yards. 11.4 yards per catch. One games 55+ yards.
Devante Adams 33 catches 290 yards 8.8 yards per catch. One game 55+ yards

Of course Cobb and Adams had Rodgers throwing them the ball.

Come on, Raptor, even you should be able to admit that there shouldn't be any doubt about the Packers receiving corps being far superior over the Vikings' one.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Come on, Raptor, even you should be able to admit that there shouldn't be any doubt about the Packers receiving corps being far superior over the Vikings' one.

How much money is GB pumping into its receiving Corp, though? It's better, but Cobb was Making more than all of those guys combined.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

How much money is GB pumping into its receiving Corp, though? It's better, but Cobb was Making more than all of those guys combined.

Well, there's no denying the Packers receiving corps had a terrible season last year, especially considering their price tag.

 

[Half Empty]

I am humbled by your concern for me but rest assured it is misplaced.

I am wholly unconcerned. Meant #12.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How much money is GB pumping into its receiving Corp, though? It's better, but Cobb was Making more than all of those guys combined.

Not just money being pumped into their WR corp., who is the QB throwing to them? I know a lot of people glow about the depth of our WR corp. but give some of the credit for their "success" to AR. I am excluding Jordy and for the most part Cobb from this. The rest of the group are totally unproven guys that people are saying are part of a strong group. Who is really that strong from the remaining 5? Who made Jeff Janis look like (in some peoples eyes) the second coming of Jordy in Arizona? Our #1 WR in 2015 from that same group minus Jordy is unemployed. While I think our WR group as a whole could be talented, AR is a big part of why.

 

[Packerlifer]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/09/09/nfc-north-outlook-what-scouts-say/90122668/


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/09/09/vikings-sink-swim-bradford/90122526/

 

[Raptorman]

So neither team's wr were impressive last year. Is that your point bc i am not arguing that. My point was Diggs is overvalued in my mind because after a great 4 game stretch he averaged 3 catches for 32 yards per game the second half of the season. That is the definition of pedestrian. Maybe it was his qb, maybe it was the offense, maybe defenses figured him out. My point was simply that someone brought up the Viking wrs as impressive and the eye test and the stats say the were average at best by almost every measure

Here's the problem with your statement. You are saying because the Vikings didn't throw as much their WR's weren't as good. The real question is what did those catches get? 1st downs? Drive continuation? Tell me, this eye test, did you watch every Vikings game?

 

[Raptorman]

Come on, Raptor, even you should be able to admit that there shouldn't be any doubt about the Packers receiving corps being far superior over the Vikings' one.

Far superior? No. I see nothing that special from the current Packer WR'c corps. Nelson will be back, and he will have lost a step. Cobb is good, but after that, they really have no one to write home about. I am not saying the Vikings WR's are better, just that the Packers WR's aren't as far ahead as you think they are.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Far superior? No. I see nothing that special from the current Packer WR'c corps. Nelson will be back, and he will have lost a step. Cobb is good, but after that, they really have no one to write home about. I am not saying the Vikings WR's are better, just that the Packers WR's aren't as far ahead as you think they are.

Nelson is vastly superior to any Vikings wr. You have no idea if he lost a step you are just assuming that bc he is a Packer. Has ap lost a step? Then you Cobb who is better than any Viking wr especially when he actually can play like he was just one season ago. Jordy made everyone better bc they fit their role. After that Diggs would likely be the 3rd best wr for the Packers. Adams has been more impressive thatn Johnson. I have no idea what to think of Wright as it sounds like he might be moving down the depth chart

And to answer you previous question I do watch a ton of Viking games bc i live in Minnesota. I was left very underwhelmed by the whole passing game the second half of the season. I was impressed by their defense if that makes you feel better

 

[longtimefan]

Last 8 games of regular season.

Diggs. 24 catches, 259 yards, 10.8 yards per catch. One game with 55+ yards
Cobb. 39 Catches, 353 yards, 9.1 yards per catch. Two games with 55+ yards.

Jarius Wright 22 catches, 250 yards. 11.4 yards per catch. One games 55+ yards.
Devante Adams 33 catches 290 yards 8.8 yards per catch. One game 55+ yards

Of course Cobb and Adams had Rodgers throwing them the ball.

An injured rodgers...

 

[Half Empty]

Nelson is vastly superior to any Vikings wr. You have no idea if he lost a step you are just assuming that bc he is a Packer. Has ap lost a step? Then you Cobb who is better than any Viking wr especially when he actually can play like he was just one season ago. Jordy made everyone better bc they fit their role. After that Diggs would likely be the 3rd best wr for the Packers. Adams has been more impressive thatn Johnson. I have no idea what to think of Wright as it sounds like he might be moving down the depth chart

And to answer you previous question I do watch a ton of Viking games bc i live in Minnesota. I was left very underwhelmed by the whole passing game the second half of the season. I was impressed by their defense if that makes you feel better

I know next to nothing about most players on other teams, but if that's the case, this Johnson dude shouldn't even be in the league.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I know next to nothing about most players on other teams, but if that's the case, this Johnson dude shouldn't even be in the league.

Johnson was a 7th round pick of the Packers that the team cut. He spent time on the Cleveland practice squad then had a couple nice games for the vikings two years ago before being non existent last year and by that I mean much more non existent than adams