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[Pokerbrat2000]

Report: Raiders want to interview Packers’ Joe Whitt Jr. for defensive coordinator job

Don't get too excited, that headline is from 2012. So here is a guy that a team was considering to be their DC, 7 years ago, makes me want to ask, why is he still just a secondary coach?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/02...s-joe-whitt-jr-for-defensive-coordinator-job/

 

[AmishMafia]

Seems to me, the announcements should be coming more quickly. Maybe with so many HC changes, the best candidates have multiple options they are weighing.

I could see gridlock occurring. 3 teams ask to interview Mr. X for OC. He is tapping 5 or 6 guys for position coaches. Position coach Z has been contacted by 3 interviewing OCs. He say yes to coach packer and Team Y WRs but no to jets. Spaghetti logic trying to sort through it all. Meanwhile 2 other new OCs have asked about regarding 4 other teams . . . Coach Z cant say no, because coach X doesnt have the job yet.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well there are still 8 teams alive, some of those coaches may not want to be distracted with interviews or are unable to interview, until their team is knocked out.

 

[Mondio]

Good question. With some of the good backs that have left via free agency or trade (Hyde, Hayward, Randall to name a few), it definitely begs the question who is at fault for not getting the most out of these guys? Are they out of position? Poorly coached? Bad technique?

Tough to say who deserves the bulk of the culpability for that.

It’s kind of normal for players to better in years 4,5 than in 1 or 2.

Beyond that you have to consider what’s going on around them too. Which I don’t care to rehash history, but lacking in dline at times, pass rush at times and a fitting at dbs others affects things.

Then you have to consider Hyde was good here, he was playing behind Dix and Burnett as a youngster. But he played his part pretty well here. It’s not like he was a schlub and then became great. He was good and ascending while here.

Randall was clearly talented and good and for very valid reasons he played out of a natural position for this team. The only bad year he had was injury. He wasn’t some slackass that sucked here and was great somewhere else.

Rollins had a very good start here. I tend to think playing on a grounder that needed surgery then rupturing an Achilles had more to do with anything, but the kid hardly had a chance after a very promising rookie season. But I suppose after 1 year of college football he was poised for that rookie season already according to some.

Hayward was good here, really good here. He just had a hamstring injury that kept him off the field or much of it. Of course then plays a couple healthy seasons in the athletic prime of his career for someone else. But he didn’t suck here and find greatness elsewhere. He WAS good here when he could stay on the field.

This notion that guys come from college pro ready as DBs is kind of silly. And this notion that all these players were no good here, but better elsewhere because of a position coach is kind of silly when even as young pups, when healthy showed they belonged more than a lot of others. And it’s hardly surprising that a 4th or 5 th year healthy player is a better player than an in need of surgery 2nd year player playing out of position because of need.

 

[PackAttack12]

It’s kind of normal for players to better in years 4,5 than in 1 or 2.

Beyond that you have to consider what’s going on around them too. Which I don’t care to rehash history, but lacking in dline at times, pass rush at times and a fitting at dbs others affects things.

Then you have to consider Hyde was good here, he was playing behind Dix and Burnett as a youngster. But he played his part pretty well here. It’s not like he was a schlub and then became great. He was good and ascending while here.

Randall was clearly talented and good and for very valid reasons he played out of a natural position for this team. The only bad year he had was injury. He wasn’t some slackass that sucked here and was great somewhere else.

Rollins had a very good start here. I tend to think playing on a grounder that needed surgery then rupturing an Achilles had more to do with anything, but the kid hardly had a chance after a very promising rookie season. But I suppose after 1 year of college football he was poised for that rookie season already according to some.

Hayward was good here, really good here. He just had a hamstring injury that kept him off the field or much of it. Of course then plays a couple healthy seasons in the athletic prime of his career for someone else. But he didn’t suck here and find greatness elsewhere. He WAS good here when he could stay on the field.

This notion that guys come from college pro ready as DBs is kind of silly. And this notion that all these players were no good here, but better elsewhere because of a position coach is kind of silly when even as young pups, when healthy showed they belonged more than a lot of others. And it’s hardly surprising that a 4th or 5 th year healthy player is a better player than an in need of surgery 2nd year player playing out of position because of need.

All I'm saying is that you have Hayward who made a pro bowl the year after leaving in free agency. You have Hyde who made a pro bowl the year after leaving in free agency. Then you have Randall who had a great year in comparison to the previous year in Green Bay and many think he got snubbed for pro bowl consideration.

I get the idea that you progress as you play more in the league. Anyone can tell that. But when these guys aren't being retained and/or the coaching staff and GM don't feel that they are good enough to retain, something is a miss somewhere and it starts with the coaching staff. Being out of position or poorly coached or whatever.

I just refuse to believe that you can improve that much as a player in one year. But hey what do I know.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can hardly imagine how good our receiving group (WR's and TE's) or our OL could possibly be if we spent an equal amount of draft capital on those positions, that has been spent on the secondary. Moreover, if those groups didn't improve after that kind of investment, coaches jobs should be in question.

Maybe just bad luck, bad timing, bad scouting. injuries, etc. that has created very little in the way of results with the secondary, but if you have absolutely no worries about it possibly being a coaching issue, I don't think you are seeing the entire picture.

 

[Dantés]

True, more layers, but still not something a HC or GM shouldn't be able to keep an eye on and be able to figure out, unless of course, they are part of the problem too. Seems like the Packers organization are peeling their onion, starting from the inside out?

Oh for sure. I would consider is dereliction if the HC or GM couldn't identify a rotten apple among the assistants. I just struggle to do it from afar at some positions. I guess what I'm saying is that if LaFleur and Pettine keep Whitt, I'm going to assume he isn't the problem-- or at least that there were no assistants available that presented an upgrade.

 

[Dantés]

Seems to me, the announcements should be coming more quickly. Maybe with so many HC changes, the best candidates have multiple options they are weighing.

I could see gridlock occurring. 3 teams ask to interview Mr. X for OC. He is tapping 5 or 6 guys for position coaches. Position coach Z has been contacted by 3 interviewing OCs. He say yes to coach packer and Team Y WRs but no to jets. Spaghetti logic trying to sort through it all. Meanwhile 2 other new OCs have asked about regarding 4 other teams . . . Coach Z cant say no, because coach X doesnt have the job yet.

I think one reason for delay is probably that LaFleur is being denied access to his first choices. Shanahan is reportedly blocking McDaniel and Mike LaFleur from interviewing for other jobs. Nathaniel Hackett, who has never coached with MLF, is being interviewed rather than simply hired. Hackett was a coordinator along with Pettine in Buffalo in 2013, so I would suppose that the latter recommended him.

That's the hard thing in this league with building a staff-- unless you want someone for HC, teams never have to let you interview anyone they have under contract. You're dependent on either a HC who doesn't want to hold back an assistant from a promotion, or hiring guys who are currently out of jobs.

 

[pacmaniac]

Definitely makes me second guess the consensus opinion around here. I don't think I've seen a player vouch for a coach as much as he does for Whitt on social media.

If Whitt was as good as he says, he would have been poached by now. Just like how nobody ever tried to steal Capers away from us, even though plenty of people called Capers a defensive genius.

 

[PackAttack12]

Former Jaguars OC Nathaniel Hackett interviewing in Green Bay today for a “top offensive job” on the Packers staff. Per Rapoport

 

[FL-PACKERfan]

Looks like we are hiring Brayden Coombs for ST

He was the assistant ST coach for the Bengals.

 

[PackAttack12]

Pettine to remain as defensive coordinator confirmed by LaFleur.

 

[Jerellh528]

Coombs won’t be joining the packers.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

The Vikings, who are searching for a new permanent OL coach after the tragic death of Tony Sparano, are interviewing Joe Philbin. The Packers are allowing the interview, which would indicate that they aren't married to the idea of keeping him despite reports that he might stay on. It was clear from yesterday's press conference that he is highly, highly regarded as a man insider 1265 Lombardi. Reading between the lines, my guess is that they want to find something for him if he is without other opportunities because they think he has some value to add to a staff, but that they'd also be happy for him to find another opportunity.

Silverstein said that the Vikings also did homework on James Campen, but it's unclear if GB will allow an interview. I sure hope they shut that down. Campen is a great coach.

And some ridiculous fans here keep suggesting we go after their coaches.

Man, sure is telling that they think our coaches from the McCarthy tree are worth going after.

 

[longtimefan]

Maybe he just became friends with Whitt and is taking up for a pal. The lack of results we’ve seen around here for many years is pretty undeniable.

So a respected future hof only praises him because they are friends?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Why are Witt and Lovat still around!!! You don't need to sharpen your axe every time you use it LaFluer!!!

I would consider him to be the greater of the two evils. We need a S&C coach who is not a flop clown and clueless as to how to condition players. This man here I'd say is why Whitt keeps getting off the hook because he cannot keep any of our corners healthy.

What should be done is we fire Lovat, get an elite s&c coach and that way Whitt will have no injury excuses to hide behind.

I'd definitely be more than fine with sending Whitt packing, but if he sticks around I want to see a secondary have little to no injuries. If that happens he has nowhere to hide if they regress and will be sent out the door if that happens.

 

[Jerellh528]

So a respected future hof only praises him because they are friends?

Could be in this circumstance, I obviously don’t know. I don’t see what him bein respected and future hof have to do with it.

 

[Mondio]

All I'm saying is that you have Hayward who made a pro bowl the year after leaving in free agency. You have Hyde who made a pro bowl the year after leaving in free agency. Then you have Randall who had a great year in comparison to the previous year in Green Bay and many think he got snubbed for pro bowl consideration.

I get the idea that you progress as you play more in the league. Anyone can tell that. But when these guys aren't being retained and/or the coaching staff and GM don't feel that they are good enough to retain, something is a miss somewhere and it starts with the coaching staff. Being out of position or poorly coached or whatever.

I just refuse to believe that you can improve that much as a player in one year. But hey what do I know.

Let's look at Hayward and Hyde closer, they did make the pro bowl, but we all know what it is. but let's look at them since they left. Hayward basically had his rookie season with 1 INT extra the season he left and made the pro bowl with a new team. His numbers have basically been his career in Green Bay. But he did make that pro bowl. But how much better has he been really? and remember back to when he was let go. We knew he was good, everyone did. We also knew he was injured a lot, and we also just came off a season where 2 rookies and sam shields made him expendable in the defensive backfield. Looking back, and knowing what happened, obviously it didn't work out. But his best season in LA was basically his rookie ( and best) season in GB +1.

How about Hyde? yes, he made a pro bowl, and had I known Dix was going to tank rather than keep improving, I'd have gladly kept Hyde and made Dix the back up and moved on when his contract was up. But as it stood, he was rounding into his own pro bowl and Hyde was a swiss army knife in our defense. Good enough we had to get him on the field, but not quite yet good enough to unseat the 2 safeties. He had a bunch of INT's early in 2017, which put him in the pro bowl or i'm not sure he makes it.This year? he basically has the exact same numbers he had ever year in GB as a swiss army knife DB. I don't think either of these players has become something they weren't already well on their way to becoming in GB.

 

[Dantés]

Let's look at Hayward and Hyde closer, they did make the pro bowl, but we all know what it is. but let's look at them since they left. Hayward basically had his rookie season with 1 INT extra the season he left and made the pro bowl with a new team. His numbers have basically been his career in Green Bay. But he did make that pro bowl. But how much better has he been really? and remember back to when he was let go. We knew he was good, everyone did. We also knew he was injured a lot, and we also just came off a season where 2 rookies and sam shields made him expendable in the defensive backfield. Looking back, and knowing what happened, obviously it didn't work out. But his best season in LA was basically his rookie ( and best) season in GB +1.

How about Hyde? yes, he made a pro bowl, and had I known Dix was going to tank rather than keep improving, I'd have gladly kept Hyde and made Dix the back up and moved on when his contract was up. But as it stood, he was rounding into his own pro bowl and Hyde was a swiss army knife in our defense. Good enough we had to get him on the field, but not quite yet good enough to unseat the 2 safeties. He had a bunch of INT's early in 2017, which put him in the pro bowl or i'm not sure he makes it.This year? he basically has the exact same numbers he had ever year in GB as a swiss army knife DB. I don't think either of these players has become something they weren't already well on their way to becoming in GB.

Than his rookie year? Much, much better. I watched every Charger game that first season of his. He was a lock down corner-- far beyond anything he ever did in Green Bay. I attributed that to Capers, myself, but I guess I didn't know.

I agree with your point on Hyde.

 

[Jerellh528]

Monken is interviewing with Lafleur for OC in Green Bay.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimOwczarski/status/1083816134447632384

 

[Mondio]

Than his rookie year? Much, much better. I watched every Charger game that first season of his. He was a lock down corner-- far beyond anything he ever did in Green Bay. I attributed that to Capers, myself, but I guess I didn't know.

I agree with your point on Hyde.

I rarely watch Chargers games, but have seen a few. He should have been better, he was in his 5th year as opposed to 1st in the NFL. And I know numbers don't tell the whole picture, but games, passes defensed and INT's were basically his rookie season in GB.

 

[C-Lee]

Monken is interviewing with Lafleur for OC in Green Bay.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimOwczarski/status/1083816134447632384

Would like this

 

[C-Lee]

LaFleur has also confirmed that Pettine is staying on as the DC.

 

[Mondio]

LaFleur has also confirmed that Pettine is staying on as the DC.

i'm a fan. Continuity, and year 2 of a defense that showed growth. They have work to do, but I think if we can keep most of our starters healthy we can see a huge jump in year 2 in performance.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The answer we will never have with Hayward is "would he be the same player had he stayed in Green Bay"? Personally, I don't think he would have, his improvement was too large just to attest to "he must have really worked hard in the off season". So then you are left asking "Was it the Packer DC/Scheme or the assistant coaches inability to get him to that next level?" Had TT been holding a crystal ball, no way does Hayward get out of Green Bay. So either the coaches didn't know what Hayward was capable of or if they did, they didn't let TT know, nor did they get him playing at his full potential.

Another player example is Davon House. He really wasn't all that much in Green Bay. He leaves and plays much better in his first year in Jacksonville. He statistically wasn't all that great his second season in Jacksonville, but that had a lot to do with a new DC switching to zone and 2 guys named Jalen Ramsey and Prince Amukamara. He comes back to Green Bay and for the most part, was just so so his first year and last year looked pretty bad before being injured.