Anders Carlson

[Thirteen Below]

Heck, if I was a Jets fan, I would want the #1 draft position and probably be hoping he misses the rest of his kicks.

I think their crosstown colleagues, the Giants, have that one wrapped up. They have a 2-game lead in the race for the bottom, and since 1 of their remaining games is against the Eagles, I don't see the Jets passing them. But there's a good chance they'll finish 4-13, considering the Bills are up next and Miami may possibly be playing for a postseason position. It could be a Top 5 pick when it all shakes out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Love what we got with McManus. We’d be wise to go ahead and get him a multi-year deal pronto. I’d offer him top 10 Kicker $ if he proves worthy this Postseason. McManus has been like perfect in Playoffs thus far

Only 2 Kickers have a higher FG% than Brandon’s 93.3%. Plus a bonus 100% XPM %

The only thing we have not seen from McManus that would complete his Portfolio is a pair of 55+ type Kicks. I’d love to see his range in real time

Carlson missed 3 XPA so that erased a FG for me (3 pts) 80.0% Kicker. He does have a big leg (58 yarder)

McManus did hit a 55 yard FG against the Saints. That's always impressive in December in GB.

He sure looks like the answer at kicker for the next 5 years or so. Even his missed FG this year came in horrible conditions at Lambeau. Not an excuse. The guy is just good and reliable.

As for Carlson, yeah he has a huge leg. He also seems to have a chronic case of the yips. GB gave him every chance to prove himself. He didn't. I wonder how long he'll be in the NFL.

No fun being on a 4-11 team. I remember Ryan Longwell, who had a very good career in GB, had his off season in 2005 when we went 4-12. He left for Minnesota the following season.

And he was in MN for quite a while if I remember correctly. I don't remember him going 4-12. He was a good kicker for many years in GB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think their crosstown colleagues, the Giants, have that one wrapped up. They have a 2-game lead in the race for the bottom, and since 1 of their remaining games is against the Eagles, I don't see the Jets passing them. But there's a good chance they'll finish 4-13, considering the Bills are up next and Miami may possibly be playing for a postseason position. It could be a Top 5 pick when it all shakes out.

The Giants biggest problem continues to be management. They lose Barkley and McKinney to FA and both guys are on pace for All Pro. The working conditions are important. The Jets have the same problem - actually worse.

 

[Pkrjones]

As for Carlson, yeah he has a huge leg. He also seems to have a chronic case of the yips... I wonder how long he'll be in the NFL.

Greg Joseph just signed to Jet's PS ... my guess is Anders played his way off of another team .

 

[milani]

McManus did hit a 55 yard FG against the Saints. That's always impressive in December in GB.

He sure looks like the answer at kicker for the next 5 years or so. Even his missed FG this year came in horrible conditions at Lambeau. Not an excuse. The guy is just good and reliable.

As for Carlson, yeah he has a huge leg. He also seems to have a chronic case of the yips. GB gave him every chance to prove himself. He didn't. I wonder how long he'll be in the NFL.

And he was in MN for quite a while if I remember correctly. I don't remember him going 4-12. He was a good kicker for many years in GB.

That was Sherman's last year. We went with a different holder that year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Greg Joseph just signed to Jet's PS ... my guess is Anders played his way off of another team .

I think I'd rather have a consistent Joseph with not a lot of range to Carlson or Narveson with a ton of range but no consistency. And both Carlson and Narveson would miss when there was little pressure. Just weird.

Anyway hats off to Gluten (again) from finding a gem in the dust bin. I'm sure there were a lot of other teams who would have benefitted from McManus, but Gluten did his homework and had the guts to pull the trigger. so far, so good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That was Sherman's last year. We went with a different holder that year.

Thanks milani. Mike Sherman? Was he coaching in 2005? I thought the Packers went from Holmgren to McCarthy to MLF. Now I'm not so sure about what happened after Holmgren and before M showed up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It could be a Top 5 pick when it all shakes out.

Damn, if we still held the rights to Bahk, we could probably fleece that pick off of them!

 

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McManus did hit a 55 yard FG against the Saints. That's always impressive in December in GB.

He sure looks like the answer at kicker for the next 5 years or so. Even his missed FG this year came in horrible conditions at Lambeau. Not an excuse. The guy is just good and reliable.

As for Carlson, yeah he has a huge leg. He also seems to have a chronic case of the yips. GB gave him every chance to prove himself. He didn't. I wonder how long he'll be in the NFL.

And he was in MN for quite a while if I remember correctly. I don't remember him going 4-12. He was a good kicker for many years in GB.

Six seasons with the Vikes

 

[Heyjoe4]

Six seasons with the Vikes

Thanks HE. Yeah I knew he was up there for a while. Did he leave in FA or did he just want a change, or both? If the Packers had really wanted him they would have paid. Not sure when Crosby got drafted, but it seemed like he replaced Longwell.

 

[OldSchool101]

Gluten additions of in-season Malik Willis and Brandon McNamath were brilliant moves. It displays to me that he’s an elite GM from watching the global aspects of shoring weaknesses of cutting bait with problem players.

I think where GB still excels is in team planning. Our FO is methodical about when to hold players out and bring them back into the fold. J’aire is a good example. I would’ve mistakenly brought him back already but patience is truly a virtue. I think we’ve been extra cautious with Musgrave, Lloyd and Alexander and it’s very deliberate. Our GM and HC have a very stellar plan for popping in extra talent to reach a pinnacle as Postseason starts.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Gluten additions of in-season Malik Willis and Brandon McNamath were brilliant moves. It displays to me that he’s an elite GM from watching the global aspects of shoring weaknesses of cutting bait with problem players.

I think where GB still excels is in team planning. Our FO is methodical about when to hold players out and bring them back into the fold. J’aire is a good example. I would’ve mistakenly brought him back already but patience is truly a virtue. I think we’ve been extra cautious with Musgrave, Lloyd and Alexander and it’s very deliberate. Our GM and HC have a very stellar plan for popping in extra talent to reach a pinnacle as Postseason starts.

Correct. And it helps that other players have stepped up. That gives the Packers the luxury of holding guys out of games where their presence probably isn't necessary. It also gives guys a chance to step up and prove themselves. Nixon, as an example, is playing better in the secondary. He's not a pro bowl guy as a corner, but he's smart and athletic enough to play well.

I would like to see JA and Evan Williams back for the game against the queens. It's an important game for momentum. They don't want to enter the playoffs having lost twice to the Lions and queens. JA also allows them to play more man, and they can put JA on Jefferson with McKinney, or maybe Williams, high. I don't know who Hafley would put on Addison and Hockenson. They have a lot of weapons.

 

[gopkrs]

Thanks HE. Yeah I knew he was up there for a while. Did he leave in FA or did he just want a change, or both? If the Packers had really wanted him they would have paid. Not sure when Crosby got drafted, but it seemed like he replaced Longwell.

He did very well in minihaha. We probably just didn't want to pay him what he was worth.

 

[gopkrs]

Gluten additions of in-season Malik Willis and Brandon McNamath were brilliant moves. It displays to me that he’s an elite GM from watching the global aspects of shoring weaknesses of cutting bait with problem players.

I think where GB still excels is in team planning. Our FO is methodical about when to hold players out and bring them back into the fold. J’aire is a good example. I would’ve mistakenly brought him back already but patience is truly a virtue. I think we’ve been extra cautious with Musgrave, Lloyd and Alexander and it’s very deliberate. Our GM and HC have a very stellar plan for popping in extra talent to reach a pinnacle as Postseason starts.

So far so good. Keep O line coming in the draft. Our backups are kind of scary. And we won't be able to pay everyone when their contracts come up. Yeah, same for all positions. I just think being able to run and also keeping Love healthy is too important to take big chances on longshots and development.

 

[Voyageur]

Lets go!!!! good from 57...lookin good. Get me a grape or and orange but none o that stinkin root beer

My boys! The Hanson Brothers. Carlson, in Slap Shot, was Dave Hanson, who hailed from Cumberland, WI. He was an "enforcer" out there, and a good one. He left a trail of broken noses, and bloody lips. That was a great movie. Loved it!

 

[DoURant]

Steve Carlson played in the Yoopers United vs Detroit Red Wings Alumni charity game benefiting United Way of Marquette County, in Marquette MI, this fall.

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[rmontro]

Thanks milani. Mike Sherman? Was he coaching in 2005? I thought the Packers went from Holmgren to McCarthy to MLF. Now I'm not so sure about what happened after Holmgren and before M showed up.

It was Holmgren, Rhodes, Sherman, McCarthy, Philbin (interim), MLF.

 

[milani]

Thanks milani. Mike Sherman? Was he coaching in 2005? I thought the Packers went from Holmgren to McCarthy to MLF. Now I'm not so sure about what happened after Holmgren and before M showed up.

That means I must be old. Sherman's last season was 2005. It was a horrible year. A nightmare. And you could see it coming. I try not to belabor it. We managed to lay an egg in the 2004 playoff against the Vikings after beating them twice in the regular season. But we were in cap trouble due to some contracts for players who turned out to be a bust. Thompson took over the GM spot and I still get angry that he let guards, Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, walk. He replaced them with 2 absolute stiffs. And as a result Favre was battling a constant pass rush and our backs became decimated, including Ahman Green, from getting hit in the backfield. I was hopeful TT could have kept one of them. But no. The first game of the season we scored 3 points in Detroit, which was a bad team. I recall I saw us play the Steelers with Charlie Batch at QB for Pitt! We picked off a pass and were at their 5 yard line! They stuffed Samkon Gado with our silly putty blocking. Then Favre is blitzed and they get a strip sack for a TD. Horrific! Sherman got axed after 4 straight playoff appearances. In comes MM.

 

[rmontro]

Thompson took over the GM spot and I still get angry that he let guards, Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, walk.

I remember there being quite a lot of discussion about that. The consensus seemed to be that guards were not worth paying the kind of money it would have taken to retain them. I was angry about it too, but maybe the real problem was that they let the situation occur in the first place. Maybe a compromise would have been to retain one of them. When you have a QB like Favre, not the best idea to leave him unprotected. Anyway, water under the bridge by now.

The thing about Thompson that bugged me was that it seems like the team often had some glaring weakness that he just wouldn't fill, and just expected someone to step up. But I guess that's the cap at work.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It was Holmgren, Rhodes, Sherman, McCarthy, Philbin (interim), MLF.

Thanks very much. Rhodes lasted a year I think (and was promoted to HC from DC). Sherman was ok, certainly better than most of the guys hired after Lombardi. Too wishy/washy for me.

It all changed when Harlan hired Wolf, and Wolf hired Holmgren, traded for Favre and lured Reggie White to GB.

 

[milani]

I remember there being quite a lot of discussion about that. The consensus seemed to be that guards were not worth paying the kind of money it would have taken to retain them. I was angry about it too, but maybe the real problem was that they let the situation occur in the first place. Maybe a compromise would have been to retain one of them. When you have a QB like Favre, not the best idea to leave him unprotected. Anyway, water under the bridge by now.

The thing about Thompson that bugged me was that it seems like the team often had some glaring weakness that he just wouldn't fill, and just expected someone to step up. But I guess that's the cap at work.

Part of the problem was that Wolf made Sherman GM when he retired in addition to his coaching duties. Very hard to do both in most eras. Even before free agency and then collective bargaining Lombardi did it and even he made some miscalculations. Wolf should have found a professional GM. In addition to the guards we lost Flanagan, our all-pro center, after 2 games with a career ending injury. Our defense in 2004 was so bad that we had to improve it. We had 3 running backs go down as well. Just a horrific season. Surprised Favre did not pack it in then.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That means I must be old. Sherman's last season was 2005. It was a horrible year. A nightmare. And you could see it coming. I try not to belabor it. We managed to lay an egg in the 2004 playoff against the Vikings after beating them twice in the regular season. But we were in cap trouble due to some contracts for players who turned out to be a bust. Thompson took over the GM spot and I still get angry that he let guards, Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, walk. He replaced them with 2 absolute stiffs. And as a result Favre was battling a constant pass rush and our backs became decimated, including Ahman Green, from getting hit in the backfield. I was hopeful TT could have kept one of them. But no. The first game of the season we scored 3 points in Detroit, which was a bad team. I recall I saw us play the Steelers with Charlie Batch at QB for Pitt! We picked off a pass and were at their 5 yard line! They stuffed Samkon Gado with our silly putty blocking. Then Favre is blitzed and they get a strip sack for a TD. Horrific! Sherman got axed after 4 straight playoff appearances. In comes MM.

I liked TT and thought he was pretty sharp in the draft. Well he picked Rodgers.

But I abhorred his dislike/disdain for FA, even when it meant letting our own guys go, as you note re: Rivera and Wahle. I get the idea behind "draft and develop", it's pretty simple. But that doesn't add up when drafted guys who are starters are let go.

And it's weird because Wolf certainly played in FA, so there was precedent that it worked. Well Ted was Ted. He did put together some very good teams, including a SB winner. May he RIP.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Part of the problem was that Wolf made Sherman GM when he retired in addition to his coaching duties. Very hard to do both in most eras. Even before free agency and then collective bargaining Lombardi did it and even he made some miscalculations. Wolf should have found a professional GM. In addition to the guards we lost Flanagan, our all-pro center, after 2 games with a career ending injury. Our defense in 2004 was so bad that we had to improve it. We had 3 running backs go down as well. Just a horrific season. Surprised Favre did not pack it in then.

Thanks for the reminder. I forgot that Sherman served as HC and GM for a very short time. And then Holmgren left for Seattle because he wanted both jobs and GB refused.

There is far too much work being either a GM or a HC. Just no way one person could do both and be good. I was pissed when Holmgren left. In hindsight it worked out just fine.

And yeah, I'm surprised Favre didn't ask for a trade after 2004. Although it worked out and the Packers got back to the NFCCG in, I think January of 2008. (Yeah and the Giants won in bitter cold in OT at Lambeau.)

I think that was Favre's last game with GB. I think Rodgers was drafted in 2005 and started in September 2008. Well, I think.......

 

[Half Empty]

Thanks HE. Yeah I knew he was up there for a while. Did he leave in FA or did he just want a change, or both? If the Packers had really wanted him they would have paid. Not sure when Crosby got drafted, but it seemed like he replaced Longwell.

Got Longwell off waivers in'97. He went to the Vikes as a free agent in '06. Dave Rayner kicked for the Pack in '06. Crosby was drafted in the 6th round in '07 and stayed through '22. Longwell and Crosby each went to a different team for their last (insignificant) year.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Greg Joseph just signed to Jet's PS ... my guess is Anders played his way off of another team .

It looks like whatever the problem is with Anderson cannot be fixed.