Anders Carlson

[Pokerbrat2000]

If they lost 4 in a row, the Niners would be due for a win when they get to GB. I'd rather see them win one in there, preferably against the Cowboys.

The Cowboys don't scare me, let them beat the Niners. I would rather see the Niners all but eliminated from the NFC playoffs with a 3-7 record when they arrive in Green Bay.

 

[lambeaulambo]

please stay as the 9er kicker...lol

 

[DoURant]

please stay as the 9er kicker...lol

Typical Anders day, 2 FG's made and missed an extra point. As sure as the sun will rise....

 

[Krabs]

Typical Anders day, 2 FG's made and missed an extra point. As sure as the sun will rise....

I got home from Lambeau just in time to witness the missed PAT hitting the upright. Can't make that up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When Anders hit that 55 yarder I thought "Oh jeeeez, seriously, the dude is good now?" His doinked XP, coupled with McManus's winning kick early, assured me all was well in GB.

 

[DoURant]

When Anders hit that 55 yarder I thought "Oh jeeeez, seriously, the dude is good now?" His doinked XP, coupled with McManus's winning kick early, assured me all was well in GB.

Yeah, we good in the kicking dept.

 

[Poppa San]

I think we can put this thread to bed until Carlson makes the news again.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Depending upon the health of the Niners starting kicker, it's possible Carlson plays against the Packers in a couple if weeks. He could get cut in the mean time but maybe it's too soon to bury this thread.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Depending upon the health of the Niners starting kicker, it's possible Carlson plays against the Packers in a couple if weeks. He could get cut in the mean time but maybe it's too soon to bury this thread.

He could also become a superstar, that the Packers decide to sign in Free Agency.

As always, my vote is.....keep the thread available to post to, it isn't costing management a dime.

 

[OldSchool101]

Make a key kick and he's rehabbed and now following in Mother Theresa's footsteps.

Here comes Mother Mcnamus!

But even the great kickers can fall off. Zeurlein has had a good career, but he missed from 32 and 44 in the Jets' loss. Yikes that makes Narveson look good.

Double Doink. He literally hit the upright both misses.

He's right at 55% over 50 for his career. Just a few active kickers are below that this year.

I noticed that also. I’d love to see the breakdown of those seasons. I have a hunch that % included quite a few 55+ tries. Especially after he’s hit from 61,58,57 etc.
The key with 50+ is we have to compare range on Attempts. E.G., If Crosby only gets up to plate at <=55 and Mcnamus gets up to plate <=62 it would account for Brandons’ 55% stats. Also notice Mcnamus made both Postseason Kicks at 50,52 to compliment his perfect 100%. He went 10/10 FG and 3/3 XPM in Postseason
Therefore my guess is he’s in that 60-70% in the 50-54 area where most Kickers get opportunities. I’m pretty confident Brandon had quite a few missed in that 55-62 area where many of those other Kickers don’t even get many chances. His 40% on those long tries affected his 50+ average.

If he keeps making these game winners I’ll label him Mother Mcnamus after the great Mother Theresa!

 

[milani]

Here comes Mother Mcnamus!

Double Doink. He literally hit the upright both misses.

I noticed that also. I’d love to see the breakdown of those seasons. I have a hunch that % included quite a few 55+ tries. Especially after he’s hit from 61,58,57 etc.
The key with 50+ is we have to compare range on Attempts. E.G., If Crosby only gets up to plate at <=55 and Mcnamus gets up to plate <=62 it would account for Brandons’ 55% stats. Also notice Mcnamus made both Postseason Kicks at 50,52 to compliment his perfect 100%. He went 10/10 FG and 3/3 XPM in Postseason
Therefore my guess is he’s in that 60-70% in the 50-54 area where most Kickers get opportunities. I’m pretty confident Brandon had quite a few missed in that 55-62 area where many of those other Kickers don’t even get many chances. His 40% on those long tries affected his 50+ average.

If he keeps making these game winners I’ll label him Mother Mcnamus after the great Mother Theresa!

Zuerlein missed because he was trying to get one of us a bingo. It was planned. But then the Bills got wind of it and said just get the win and get out of here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Here comes Mother Mcnamus!

Double Doink. He literally hit the upright both misses.

I noticed that also. I’d love to see the breakdown of those seasons. I have a hunch that % included quite a few 55+ tries. Especially after he’s hit from 61,58,57 etc.
The key with 50+ is we have to compare range on Attempts. E.G., If Crosby only gets up to plate at <=55 and Mcnamus gets up to plate <=62 it would account for Brandons’ 55% stats. Also notice Mcnamus made both Postseason Kicks at 50,52 to compliment his perfect 100%. He went 10/10 FG and 3/3 XPM in Postseason
Therefore my guess is he’s in that 60-70% in the 50-54 area where most Kickers get opportunities. I’m pretty confident Brandon had quite a few missed in that 55-62 area where many of those other Kickers don’t even get many chances. His 40% on those long tries affected his 50+ average.

If he keeps making these game winners I’ll label him Mother Mcnamus after the great Mother Theresa!

Agree.

I think trying to evaluate kickers on missed and made %'s alone is the wrong approach. This isn't passes completed, where you are kicking 30 times in a game. Miss one kick from 49 and your % can take a big ding.

So many better ways to evaluate kickers, but the stats really aren't out there. Stats that I would like to know are:

1. Weather conditions (temp, wind speed and direction)?
2. Field conditions? Artificial turf, indoor, muddy, etc.?
3. LS, Holder, OL issue?
4. Situation the made or missed happened (game on the line, playoff, etc.)?
5. Actual distance of each kick. A 49 yarder is much different than a 40 yarder. A 63 yarder is much different than a 51 yarder?
6. Health of kicker. Was he nursing an injury?
7. Looking at makes and misses trends in career. A few poor seasons to start their career, but now kicking much better?

Probably some I missed and of course kickoffs and XP's need to be factored into things, maybe even onside kick ability.

There are so many things beyond what we see in the average NFL stat sheet of each kicker. Yet, people will say "meh, he's a 80% kicker, no thanks."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Will the 49'ers stick with Anders and trade Jake Moody when he is healthy or try to trade Anders to the Jets?

Carlson has looked pretty good on all his FG attempts, he did have 1 missed XP against the Chiefs. 4 of his 5 made FG's were from 40+, with 2 of them being a 50 and a 55 yarder.

Now that the Packers have McManus, I am just fine that they let go of Anders, but maybe he is now playing more like a veteran kicker.

 

[gopkrs]

Carlson sure has me wondering about Biacchi. That and because, though we have elevated STeams a lot; they still aren't top echelon imho.

 

[Pkrjones]

Anders is released by the 9'ers, today. Must mean Moody is ready to kick this week. Will be interesting to see if he's signed to someone's PS, soon?

 

[rmontro]

Poor guy, must be frustrating.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Carlson sure has me wondering about Biacchi. That and because, though we have elevated STeams a lot; they still aren't top echelon imho.

Biacchi was brought in and paid a lot of money to turn around a flailing STs. He's been in GB a while now but imo has been underwhelming. I admit I don't track STs that much. They seem to be making fewer mistakes but again, I can't quantify that. Other than spectacular kick returns here and there and the work of the K on FGs and XPs, there's not a lot to see. But STs involve much more than kick returns and FGs/XPs.

I still think Biacchi is a solid coach and knows a helluva lot about football. It's a positive to have him on the coaching staff.

 

[Half Empty]

But STs involve much more than kick returns and FGs/XPs.

Strictly curiosity, and coming from a non-Xs and Os guy, what's involved other than kick returns and FGs/XPs? If it's as simple as definitions, fine, but if kick returns include punts how much more is there to STs?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Strictly curiosity, and coming from a non-Xs and Os guy, what's involved other than kick returns and FGs/XPs? If it's as simple as definitions, fine, but if kick returns include punts how much more is there to STs?

I'm not much of an X and O's guy either, but here is how I view special teams and the challenges of coaching Special Teams.

First, you are working with 6 distinct groups. Yes, some are kind of similar, but not fully.

1. Kickoff group
2. Kick return group
3. Punt group
4. Punt return group
5. FG/XP Group (offense)
6. FG/XP Group (defense)

Second, for the most part, you are working with backups, not the stars of the team. You may not even know who is going to be on each unit, until after final cutdowns.

Third, you are also working with a lot of moving and changing parts. Meaning, your available personnel changes often, due to injuries and promotions/demotions. The guy that was on the PS this week is now on the roster and you need to play him in 1-6 of your Special Teams groups.

Lastly, practice time. How much practice time is devoted to these groups and when you do practice, do you have every piece practicing?

We have seen a lot of penalties and mistakes by the Packers special teams this season. Coaching? Youth? Not really sure, but I know Rich Bisaccia is considered to be one of the better ST coaches, time for him to prove it.

I would start by not returning ANY kick offs, unless they are forced to (kick is way short of EZ). Seems like when they do, they are starting well short of the 30. Either because of a short return or a penalty negating a decent return.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Strictly curiosity, and coming from a non-Xs and Os guy, what's involved other than kick returns and FGs/XPs? If it's as simple as definitions, fine, but if kick returns include punts how much more is there to STs?

Actually I forgot about punts. A big part of STs is what the other 9 or 10 guys are doing. The gunners who race down the field to make tackles, the guys who block, and on. STs play consists of 11 players, just like offense and defense. Everyone has a role to play. My point was that for STs, we usually only concentrate on the kickers (kickoff, punt, FGs, XPs. FGs and XPs include the play of the long snapper and holder.

STs as a unit is measured on more than just the specialist - the kicker and on other plays, the long snapper and holder. Forcing a team into a fair catch on a punt, for example. Blocking on kickoff and punt returns. These other guys are usually members of the offense and defense, and some are specialists. Anyway, it's the play of the entire unit that gets measured, somehow. As fans, we just don't see a lot of that action.

 

[El Guapo]

I'm a big Gutekunst guy, but if I really had to fault him on anything, it's that he doesn't churn the bottom of the roster enough looking for hungry players to improve special teams. Bisaccia (or any coach) can only do so much with the players that they have to work with. Right now, we don't have those special players that make big plays on special teams.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I'm a big Gutekunst guy, but if I really had to fault him on anything, it's that he doesn't churn the bottom of the roster enough looking for hungry players to improve special teams. Bisaccia (or any coach) can only do so much with the players that they have to work with. Right now, we don't have those special players that make big plays on special teams.

He doesn't churn the roster enough? There's like only 4 guys left on the rost from MLF's 1st year coaching the team. And they're one of, if not THE youngest team in the league.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm a big Gutekunst guy, but if I really had to fault him on anything, it's that he doesn't churn the bottom of the roster enough looking for hungry players to improve special teams. Bisaccia (or any coach) can only do so much with the players that they have to work with. Right now, we don't have those special players that make big plays on special teams.

I assume by "special players" you mean K, P, gunners and returners?

I guess in my book, he has hit on 3.7 of those now.

I like our new kicker (McManus)

Our punter has played very well (Wheelen)

Nixon and Reed have been questionable this season on return...decisions. Nixon has a track record for breaking long ones, but poor decisions. Reed, I prefer he doesn't return punts. Mainly to keep him from getting injured. All in all though, these 2 guys aren't that bad.

Gunners. Honestly, haven't paid a lot of attention to who the gunners are, but I also don't think we have given up any long punt or kick returns, have we?


Now maybe you are wanting long, flashy returns? I guess those days are almost over on kickoffs. Personally, on both kickoffs and punts, I am happy with hanging on to the ball & no penalties. If a punt returner averages 5-10 yards/punt, even better. Nixon is averaging 12 and has a long of 37 yards.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm a big Gutekunst guy, but if I really had to fault him on anything, it's that he doesn't churn the bottom of the roster enough looking for hungry players to improve special teams. Bisaccia (or any coach) can only do so much with the players that they have to work with. Right now, we don't have those special players that make big plays on special teams.

Good thought.
I never thought about it that deeply. Although you would think with a team that tends to draft a high volume of selections mixed with we like to slowly bring those draftees up draft n develop style? Then you mix that with we seem to go after higher RAS guys, often with elevated leadership qualities (particularly in the 2024 draft) that this would really pump Rich with above average quality options at ST. We’ve drafted 30 players in the last 3 drafts or 2.5 seasons it would just seem natural we’d be a better ST group?

That said I’ve seen GB rated in the Top 10 recently and I have absolutely no clue how that happened. Our FG team is at 75% but perfect XPM%, I would think points missed would be weighted more but maybe not. Our Punt group has been pretty good, but it’s offset lost points? Not imo
When I looked at individual facets of our Teams we’re often bottom half of the league quite often. Not sure how that equates to top 10

 

[Heyjoe4]

He doesn't churn the roster enough? There's like only 4 guys left on the rost from MLF's 1st year coaching the team. And they're one of, if not THE youngest team in the league.

Yep. They are once again, the youngest team in the league. And they just got younger.