ALL recent another head coach options merged-- preMM firing

[swhitset]

Just because he doesn't have the authority doesn't mean he doesn't have input or say.

It's true that for whatever reason, Murphy retained coach hiring/firing power for himself which is kind of odd for a GM to not have that authority.

It would still be very surprising if Murphy did not succumb to Gutekunst's request if Brian wants MM gone after this season.

And frankly if that is the case, Murphy is far overreaching and part of the problem.

Mcarthy and Gutenkunst have equal positions in the Packers’ hierarchy. What you suggest would be like you going to your boss (assuming you have one) and saying “hey I don’t like my coworker over there... I think you should fire him”. I’m sure some people have tried that... but the big risk is that the boss likes him more than he likes you... Guess what likely comes next after you just told your boss that you can’t work with the other guy?

 

[Riley82]

I think Pettine may get a shot at HC or at least a interview i feel within time he could improve the defence.
I heard John Harbaugh maybe getting the axe in Baltimore if so would he be a better coach than MM.

 

[swhitset]

I would really hope they change the reporting order with a new coach so that it's more traditional. The current structure, which I would imagine they only put in place because they were removing TT, is really unwieldy.

Why... because it’s not what we ate used to?

 

[swhitset]

They could have hurried to the line more often, run the ball more, thrown more screens (of either the RB or WR variety); whatever the reason, it's obvious this Packers' offense is underperforming at the highest of levels right now.

I agree ... and while i’ve been a McCarthy supporter ... and for now, will say that I still am, I do think that we need to see some changes in the play calling to reflect some of this. I also think it’s time to start looking at Aaron Rodgers with a bit more scrutiny. He is an amazing talent, but I’m afraid that he might be part of the problem as well. He makes it quite clear that he doesn’t like the short passes.. to the point where he isn’t even very good at them. He can be the most accurate passer ever on the intermediate and long throws... but he doesn’t put much effort in when delivering the short underneath stuff. That pass to the feet of Jones for example. I’m not going to break down the play and i’m sure the pressure influenced it... but I get the idea that if Rodgers has to throw the ball short he looks at it as another way of just throwing the ball away instead of a potential net gain.

 

[longtimefan]

I think Pettine may get a shot at HC or at least a interview i feel within time he could improve the defence.
I heard John Harbaugh maybe getting the axe in Baltimore if so would he be a better coach than MM.

Since 2013, the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and also hold a losing 44-45 (.494) record. After sputtering to a 9-7 record last season, team owner Steve Bisciotti mentioned that he considered firing Harbaugh after the conclusion of the

 

[Jerellh528]

Why... because it’s not what we ate used to?

On one hand, it may lead a coach to be better held accountable and not become complacent. I’m also in favor of a more traditional power hierarchy and I have to think the next coach won’t have the same benefit that MM got.

A small part of me believes that this was maybe Murphy throwing MM a bone this season because he figured gute was going to clean house and wanted to give mm one last shot.

This structure even came as a surprise to gute.

 

[Riley82]

Since 2013, the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and also hold a losing 44-45 (.494) record. After sputtering to a 9-7 record last season, team owner Steve Bisciotti mentioned that he considered firing Harbaugh after the conclusion of the

Oh i did not realise as i am sure i read that Harbaugh had a good record up until the past 2 seasons I think it was either Mike Carlson or Neil Reynolds in a article

 

[rmontro]

I am 99% sure that McD will be the next NE HC if Belichick steps away.
If NE wins the Lombardi this year I think that Belichick calls it a career after 12 Super Bowls as DC and HC.

Even better. We'll take Bill then

 

[906Fan]

If they fire MM at the end of the year they are going to have to take a chance on the new HC, there’s not gonna be any good HCs just laying around without a job. Harbaugh is as good as MM, and McDaniels already failed out as a HC once already. Do you risk giving someone their first HC job or stay with a known average quantity who has atleast proven himself before.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Without a top 3(even up to 5) quarterback I feel

This is why many teams consistently finish around 7-9, 8-8, 9-7

But they don't have someone like AR, TB, Brees, etc

MM is like a 3 win coach without AR

Look at the Pats when Brady got hurt with Cassell
The Colts when Manning got hurt

The Colts went 2-14 without Manning resulting in them having the #1 pick the following year.

Safety could be fixed as Tramon I think is a much better fit there now and he could help soemone like Josh Jones with assignments if he's back there, so it could really only be OLBers

Williams actually played a decent game at free safety but made a huge mistake on the touchdown pass to Gordon.

Not joking but the Tampa Bay offensive coordinator Monken would be my choice. Using air raid concepts and making use of his offensive talent. The combined efforts of their QB's from a fantasy perspective (if that counts here for anything) are the QB2 on the entire season. He may be able to get more out of Rodgers.

Monken might be a decent play caller but fantasy stats aren't a decent way to evaluate performance.

Murphy has been a big part of the problem for a long time. It's unfortunate that there is no check against his authority.

Murphy is mainly responsible for the financial side of the franchise and has done a masterful job in that area.

I heard John Harbaugh maybe getting the axe in Baltimore if so would he be a better coach than MM.

Harbaugh hasn't been successful in Baltimore since winning the Super Bowl. In addition I have a hard time understanding that he continues to use Lamar Jackson as a quarterback with Flacco on the field, basically resulting in the offense having only 10 players on the field on several snaps.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Do you risk giving someone their first HC job or stay with a known average quantity who has atleast proven himself before.

High risk, high reward because every season should be Super Bowl or bust. All of the great coaches were nobodies when they started out and they succeeded because they brought new ideas to the plate. If McCarthy gets shown the door I would prefer a first time HC who can create his own culture in the locker room without bringing along baggage from past head coaching tenures.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I believe Coach McCarthy's tenure as the Packers HC is coming to a close, likely by season's end. Mark Murphy stepped in this last off-season and made big organizational changes, and another disappointing season like this one has been likely means the other shoe is about to drop. This parallels Ted Thompson's first season: Mike Sherman was stripped of his GM duties, but retained as HC. Until a year later.

What comes next will be interesting.....Will Mark Murphy, or Brian Gutekunst be hiring the next coach? Will Mike Pettine be retained as DC? Will the next coach be from outside or inside the organization? An NFL retread? An up-and-coming coordinator? A college coach? None of the above?

This, coupled with Green Bays stockpile of draft picks and expiring contracts likely indicates a season of upheaval in Titletown. All while Aaron Rodgers gets another year older.....

 

[Ken smith]

Got this aunt who is really obsessive and narrow focused. Likes to have and keep everything in its place. She built her house back in 1985... everything looks a little worn but exactly the same as it did in 1985. People keep telling her she’s financially doing well and maybe it’s time for an upgrade, some repairs, and maybe to get into 2018 starting with tossing the old analog tv’s. She won’t listen. MM has allowed himself to become outdated.

 

[Alex]

I know he just said he would only come out of retirement for the Browns job, but seeing Bruce Arians coach this team would be interesting. Being an offensive guy, you'd think it'd be hard for him to say no to working with Rodgers.

 

[C-Lee]

I know he just said he would only come out of retirement for the Browns job, but seeing Bruce Arians coach this team would be interesting. Being an offensive guy, you'd think it'd be hard for him to say no to working with Rodgers.

Wouldn't be mad at this.

 

[Dantés]

If John Harbaugh gets the axe in Baltimore, he's at the top of my list. He puts good staffs together and lets them do their job. He has a 10-5 record in the playoffs and has never gone one and done in the postseason. His success obviously dropped off after 2012, however people don't consider what a millstone Flacco was over that span.

Flacco's cap hits were comparable to Rodgers'-- a similar situation in which you have a big bite out of the apple from one player. That can work if said player is Aaron Rodgers. But Flacco was straight up bad after signing that first big extension. So Harbaugh was saddled with a QB who was pretty much a competitive disadvantage on the field, and yet was paid like he was elite. He had to coach around it, and he did so to the tune of about .500 football since 2013.

However, when he didn't have that weighing him down, he had 54 wins in five seasons, 5 straight PO appearances, a 9-4 PO record, and a SB victory. Ozzie Newsome was a great drafting GM for most of Harbaugh's tenure, but Harbaugh's staff also did an excellent job of developing talent. And he's clearly comfortable working in a situation where the FO has personnel control.

Mike Pettine coached under Harbaugh/Ryan in 2008, so there is a connection there already and good reason to think that Harbaugh would keep him, which I would like for the sake of continuity and because I've seen strides under Pettine.

 

[GleefulGary]

Lincoln Riley
John DeFelippo
Harbaugh
Matt Campbell
Dan Campbell

Those are my guys. That’s who I want. Really like Matt Campbell a lot btw.

 

[Heyjoe4]

On one hand, it may lead a coach to be better held accountable and not become complacent. I’m also in favor of a more traditional power hierarchy and I have to think the next coach won’t have the same benefit that MM got.

A small part of me believes that this was maybe Murphy throwing MM a bone this season because he figured gute was going to clean house and wanted to give mm one last shot.

This structure even came as a surprise to gute.

I don’t have any numbers, but I’m guessing on most teams the HC reports to the GM. Your explanation makes some sense for the strange org structure. But next year, I would expect the HC and the Head of Player Personnel/Operations to report to the GM.

 

[pacmaniac]

I think Pettine may get a shot at HC or at least a interview i feel within time he could improve the defence.
I heard John Harbaugh maybe getting the axe in Baltimore if so would he be a better coach than MM.

Pettine said in his first press conference as Packer DC that he does NOT want to be a head coach anymore. He said it's 90% administration and 10% football, whereas DC is 90% football and 10% administration. He prefers the 90% football.

 

[pacmaniac]

Even better. We'll take Bill then

What a way to answer the question of who's the real reason behind the Patriots success - Belichick or Brady? Have Belichick come to GB and do something Brady never did - win 4 straight Super Bowls.

 

[pacmaniac]

I think we need to hire a proven name - someone who would command Rodgers' respect. Someone needs to rein in Rodgers and tell him to stop looking for the home run on every single play.

Mike Sherman was not able to do that with Favre. You could tell by how he repeatedly referred to Favre as a "legend" in press conferences.

 

[rmontro]

Pettine said in his first press conference as Packer DC that he does NOT want to be a head coach anymore. He said it's 90% administration and 10% football, whereas DC is 90% football and 10% administration. He prefers the 90% football.

Surely that must be an exaggeration to some extent. If that were so, that would mean that the coordinators are really running the team. And I think we can see McCarthy has his stamp on the team pretty firmly. Unless he's saying that the workload for a head coach is insane, which is possible.

 

[pacmaniac]

Surely that must be an exaggeration to some extent. If that were so, that would mean that the coordinators are really running the team. And I think we can see McCarthy has his stamp on the team pretty firmly. Unless he's saying that the workload for a head coach is insane, which is possible.

I found where he talked about it - it's at 12:24

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[Deleted member 6794]

Will the next coach be from outside or inside the organization?

If the Packers decide to move on from McCarthy hopefully they will hire a head coach from outside the organization.

I know he just said he would only come out of retirement for the Browns job, but seeing Bruce Arians coach this team would be interesting. Being an offensive guy, you'd think it'd be hard for him to say no to working with Rodgers.

I'm not sure Arians is in good enough health to be a head coach in the league again.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Brett Favre leaves Mississippi and heads up north to be officially announced as the new head football coach for your Green Bay Packers.