2023 Draft Talk

[Heyjoe4]

I really hope that isn't the case. I don't see any safety that I like at 15, maybe Branch if Gute trades down to 25ish. Myles Murphy to me is another guy that depending on his character, could be a total bust. He definitely has the physical attributes, but he still has a lot to learn to play consistently, at a high level in the NFL. If they feel like he is eager and wanting to go at it like a Rashan Gary, then maybe he's worth it. He won't be an impact player his rookie year.

Agreed. I'd be tempted to take Van Ness at #15, but not enough if TEs Mayer and/or Kincaid are there. Outside the top 10, the Edge guys are all in the 20-32 pick range. There isn't a S worthy of a first round pick - well maybe Branch but near the very end of the round.

The Packers have had enough projects on D. Time to give the O some help, and there are plenty of good players I expect will be there at #15. Given the available talent at TE, I'd be fine taking RB Bijan Robinson at #15. I know not many will agree, but he's a generational talent at RB ala Sequin Barkley, and this is likely the last year for Jones. Play and pick for the future.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Any guesses on how many QB's, EDGE and CB's will be taken in round 1?

My Guess:

QB's: 5

EDGE: 5

CB's: 6

Who is the fifth QB you like - other than Stroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson? I'm curious because I don't see another round 1 QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who is the fifth QB you like - other than Stroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson? I'm curious because I don't see another round 1 QB.

I think ****** goes in the first. His stock has been on the rise since the combine.

EDIT: LOL...forgot....that would be Ho0ker ......man if the Packers draft the guy, Shaggy is going to have to unban his name.

 

[tynimiller]

I personally like Jaren Hall over Ho0ker....I'm in an odd crowd there though and fully admit it and am fine with it. I also have Tune nearly at 6 but Ho0ker just above him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers have had enough projects on D. Time to give the O some help, and there are plenty of good players I expect will be there at #15.

Agreed. I think you give Love what he needs to develop his game. Even if the Packers defense is Top 10, I don't think the offense as it stands, is strong enough to take them to the playoffs in 2023. Use this draft to build up a neglected offense, that is going to look even weaker for awhile without #12. I am hoping that 3 of the first 4 Packer picks are on offense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I personally like Jaren Hall over Ho0ker....I'm in an odd crowd there though and fully admit it and am fine with it. I also have Tune nearly at 6 but Ho0ker just above him.

I don't expect the Packers to draft Ho0ker, but I think there will be a team enamored with his 2 years of playing and take a chance on his age and ACL recovery. Richardson is another boom or bust QB that will go in Round 1. Then again, when hasn't a QB in the first round been "boom or bust"?

 

[Schultz]

Agreed. I'd be tempted to take Van Ness at #15, but not enough if TEs Mayer and/or Kincaid are there. Outside the top 10, the Edge guys are all in the 20-32 pick range. There isn't a S worthy of a first round pick - well maybe Branch but near the very end of the round.

The Packers have had enough projects on D. Time to give the O some help, and there are plenty of good players I expect will be there at #15. Given the available talent at TE, I'd be fine taking RB Bijan Robinson at #15. I know not many will agree, but he's a generational talent at RB ala Sequin Barkley, and this is likely the last year for Jones. Play and pick for the future.

IMO if the Giants could do it over I am not sure they would draft Barkley in that spot again. IMO Jones has 2 years left as a Packer.

 

[Pkrjones]

I don't expect the Packers to draft Ho0ker, but I think there will be a team enamored with his 2 years of playing and take a chance on his age and ACL recovery. Richardson is another boom or bust QB that will go in Round 1. Then again, when hasn't a QB in the first round been "boom or bust"?

Some mocks have H00ker going to the Vikes so he can rehab/sit behind Cousins in '23 & take over in '24.

 

[tynimiller]

Some mocks have H00ker going to the Vikes so he can rehab/sit behind Cousins in '23 & take over in '24.

The Vikings are 100% smart if they pick a QB this draft IMO before end of Day 2 with the realistic hope of hitting that future.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some mocks have H00ker going to the Vikes so he can rehab/sit behind Cousins in '23 & take over in '24.

I've seen that, as well as The Texans taking him with the 12th pick, which would be awesome for the Packers.

 

[OldSchool101]

Unless it is a Edge, Carter or a CB I don't see any other position that is a top 10 personally....JSN I don't even think is that high....but is arguably the only one. This is not a draft IMO to trade up at all, especially given our position.

I could see that boy Tyree from Henderson TX if he slips a few spots. His family is about 20 min up the road from where I’m sitting at this moment (Longview)

That kid would be a Monster off the Edge with Rashan coming off the opposite side

 

[tynimiller]

I could see that boy Tyree from Henderson TX if he slips a few spots. His family is about 20 min up the road from where I’m sitting at this moment (Longview)

That kid would be a Monster off the Edge with Rashan coming off the opposite side

He has a higher ceiling than Will Anderson IMO...his floor coming in is not as high but that young man I think could be very very special.

 

[OldSchool101]

He has a higher ceiling than Will Anderson IMO...his floor coming in is not as high but that young man I think could be very very special.

Amen. I’m talking an anomaly of a selection. obviously, I’m well aware know that we rarely trade up (for good reason). That said, if you told me I could have my choice of either Tyre Wilson at #10 or Smith-Njigba and we used a #78 to get there?
I’m very excited.

Like I said earlier we’d still likely have 42,45 in Day 2 and our success in Round 3 is not stellar.

WR is still going to be stressed at the Top because of the limited player options. Really even Smith-Njigba by #10/#11 is appealing because those guys just do not slide into our lap regularly.

If you told me I had Smith-Njigba and Watson paired
Or
Rashan and Tyree paired?

Plus still had 42,45 and all my Day 3 picks?

I’m super duper pumped

 

[OldSchool101]

IMO if the Giants could do it over I am not sure they would draft Barkley in that spot again. IMO Jones has 2 years left as a Packer.

Saquon was the #2 overall. So there’s a Big, big difference between using a #15 at RB verses #2 overall
#2 = #15+16+56 overalls combined. Yikes! (minimum maybe more) at RB, just not too smart on the Giants part.

That said, I agree with not wanting to overlap need at RB if Jones is locked for 2 seasons. Let’s wait until 2024-2025

 

[Heyjoe4]

Saquon was the #2 overall. So there’s a Big, big difference between using a #15 at RB verses #2 overall
#2 = #15+16+56 overalls combined. Yikes! (minimum maybe more) at RB, just not too smart on the Giants part.

That said, I agree with not wanting to overlap need at RB if Jones is locked for 2 seasons. Let’s wait until 2024-2025

Yeah it's very likely Jones will be here for two more years. I like Robinson at #15 (err, #13) though (and agree the Giants drafted Barkley way too high). Jones could certainly make more money somewhere else. But he's a Packer through and through.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah it's very likely Jones will be here for two more years. I like Robinson at #15 (err, #13) though (and agree the Giants drafted Barkley way too high). Jones could certainly make more money somewhere else. But he's a Packer through and through.

I like Bijan, but my concern is he had arguably the best OL in football and we don’t have the best OL in the NFL. He’s be suited for a team with a currently great OL because he’s a Day 1 starter. With us he’d be competing for snaps with Aaron Jones for 2 seasons, plus Dillon for 1 season. Just too much overlap for me personally, but yeah great player.

If we hit at OL this season, such as Broderick or Paris or Darnell? Then by as early as next season we could be sniffing at RB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I like Bijan, but my concern is he had arguably the best OL in football and we don’t have the best OL in the NFL. He’s be suited for a team with a currently great OL because he’s a Day 1 starter. With us he’d be competing for snaps with Aaron Jones for 2 seasons, plus Dillon for 1 season. Just too much overlap for me personally, but yeah great player.

If we hit at OL this season, such as Broderick or Paris or Darnell? Then by as early as next season we could be sniffing at RB.

Yeah that makes sense. This year, they could get immediate help in the draft with a TE or WR at #13.

 

[Todd Princl]

I like Bijan, but my concern is he had arguably the best OL in football and we don’t have the best OL in the NFL. He’s be suited for a team with a currently great OL because he’s a Day 1 starter. With us he’d be competing for snaps with Aaron Jones for 2 seasons, plus Dillon for 1 season. Just too much overlap for me personally, but yeah great player.

If we hit at OL this season, such as Broderick or Paris or Darnell? Then by as early as next season we could be sniffing at RB.

Aren’t they saying that Broderick Jones more than likely will be moved to the inside like Skoronski?

 

[participant]

Yeah that makes sense. This year, they could get immediate help in the draft with a TE or WR at #13.

HeyJoe4…

The Packers could get help with a TE or WR, but that’s not the MO. There may be a WR worthy of a #13 pick…maybe that’s even a stretch, but no way is a TE worthy of a #13 pick, not this year anyway. That’s my opinion in almost any draft

If there is a run on QB’s in the top 12 picks, there are a number of CBs, OTs, Edges, etc., that are worthy of that pick. If it’s a TE they want, I’m in the camp of trading down.

Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

For the record: My favorite scenario is trading down to the top of the 2nd and drafting Darnell Washington. What I think will happen if the Packers stay at 15 is they draft Myles Murphy because Gute loves him some freakishly athletic edge players and the defense, while weak at safety, has basically zero pass rush without Gary (who probably won't be fully healthy to start the season).

Preston Smith is still a decent pass rusher. In addition I'm optimistic Gary will be ready for the start of the season.

Given the available talent at TE, I'd be fine taking RB Bijan Robinson at #15. I know not many will agree, but he's a generational talent at RB ala Sequin Barkley, and this is likely the last year for Jones.

Barkley should definitely work as a cautionary tale for teams interested in adding a generational talent at running back in the first round. That move didn't work out for the Giants at all as they went a combined 19-46 in his first four seasons with the team.

It's all but certain that Jones will be with the Packers for another two seasons.

Jones could certainly make more money somewhere else. But he's a Packer through and through.

I highly doubt there's any truth to that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

HeyJoe4…

The Packers could get help with a TE or WR, but that’s not the MO. There may be a WR worthy of a #13 pick…maybe that’s even a stretch, but no way is a TE worthy of a #13 pick, not this year anyway. That’s my opinion in almost any draft

If there is a run on QB’s in the top 12 picks, there are a number of CBs, OTs, Edges, etc., that are worthy of that pick. If it’s a TE they want, I’m in the camp of trading down.

Thoughts?

Yeah I agree. The OSU WR may go early, but they could trade back to the 20s and still get a solid TE. Good point.

This is not a great draft for WRs, but solid at TE and Edge. They could even trade up using one of their round 2 picks to get a top Edge guy, and still get a TE in round 2.

 

[tynimiller]

The strengths and weakness overall I see for this draft in groups (not allowing elite outliers to sway it aka Jalen Carter for DL in first):

Day 1
Strengths - Defensive edge / high level corners, OL
Weaknesses - WR1 locks / off ball linebackers

Day 2
Strengths - Edge guys still shine / WR2 types all over / iOL / DBs / TEs
Weaknesses - Defensive Bigguns (few but limited) / OT

Day 3 First 1/2
Strengths - RBs / TE2s or 3s / OT projects
Weaknesses - QBs / DL

Day 3 Second 1/2
Strengths - Depth WRs / OL projects / RBs
Weaknesses - Depth DL

 

[Heyjoe4]

The strengths and weakness overall I see for this draft in groups (not allowing elite outliers to sway it aka Jalen Carter for DL in first):

Day 1
Strengths - Defensive edge / high level corners, OL
Weaknesses - WR1 locks / off ball linebackers

Day 2
Strengths - Edge guys still shine / WR2 types all over / iOL / DBs / TEs
Weaknesses - Defensive Bigguns (few but limited) / OT

Day 3 First 1/2
Strengths - RBs / TE2s or 3s / OT projects
Weaknesses - QBs / DL

Day 3 Second 1/2
Strengths - Depth WRs / OL projects / RBs
Weaknesses - Depth DL

Great analysis as always, thanks Ty. I’d move TE to day 1 and for the Packers, add a kicker on day 3, specifically Jake Moody from MI.

Edge depth is good and that’s good for GB. I wouldn’t mind trading #13 and a round 2 pick to move up and grab an elite Edge prospect. Then take a TE in round 2.

How far could they move up trading #13 and #45? I don’t know what the charts say. It may not be a good idea anyway, or they may not find a trade partner.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

The strengths and weakness overall I see for this draft in groups (not allowing elite outliers to sway it aka Jalen Carter for DL in first):

Day 1
Strengths - Defensive edge / high level corners, OL
Weaknesses - WR1 locks / off ball linebackers

Day 2
Strengths - Edge guys still shine / WR2 types all over / iOL / DBs / TEs
Weaknesses - Defensive Bigguns (few but limited) / OT

Day 3 First 1/2
Strengths - RBs / TE2s or 3s / OT projects
Weaknesses - QBs / DL

Day 3 Second 1/2
Strengths - Depth WRs / OL projects / RBs
Weaknesses - Depth DL

I'd add safety to a weakness on day 1 as well.

 

[tynimiller]

I'd add safety to a weakness on day 1 as well.

So IMO as I stated those things S / RB and TE are not positions I desire to draft a player in round one...so I'd honestly never say it is a weakness and in order to be a strength it has to be so strong that I cannot ignore it, which is why I don't put TE in there....even Mayer and Kincaid I struggle with taking in the first relative to where we will pick without a trade.