2023 Draft Talk

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is no doubt that the Packers are going to need to add to their receiving room, both TE's and WR's. The good news for the Packers is the the TE class of draftees is the best that I can remember. I expect/hope they use one of their first 3 picks on one. Guessing they will select at least 1 more in the 7 rounds.

WR is a different story. This is not a very strong class of WR's. The only WR I like in the 1st round would be JSN, but think he will go in the top 12 picks. After that, I'd be fine seeing them wait until after the 3rd round for a WR, if at all.

As this article points out, the fundamental skill of catching a ball is probably the biggest question mark for most of the WR class. Yup, Davante had that issue and figured it out, but so did J'Mon Moore and he is probably selling used cars somewhere.

As someone that loves a lot of good WR's, if they don't get JSN, I would actually be fine with signing a cheaper vet FA or 2, sign a few UDFA WR's and go into the season with Watson, Doubs and a vet making up your 1-3 WR depth chart.

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[gopkrs]

There is no doubt that the Packers are going to need to add to their receiving room, both TE's and WR's. The good news for the Packers is the the TE class of draftees is the best that I can remember. I expect/hope they use one of their first 3 picks on one. Guessing they will select at least 1 more in the 7 rounds.

WR is a different story. This is not a very strong class of WR's. The only WR I like in the 1st round would be JSN, but think he will go in the top 12 picks. After that, I'd be fine seeing them wait until after the 3rd round for a WR, if at all.

As this article points out, the fundamental skill of catching a ball is probably the biggest question mark for most of the WR class. Yup, Davante had that issue and figured it out, but so did J'Mon Moore and he is probably selling used cars somewhere.

As someone that loves a lot of good WR's, if they don't get JSN, I would actually be fine with signing a cheaper vet FA or 2, sign a few UDFA WR's and go into the season with Watson, Doubs and a vet making up your 1-3 WR depth chart.

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Just one of each for me Except maybe the 7th

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just one of each for me Except maybe the 7th

If it was TT, I would agree with you, but Gute seems to like to address glaring needs, with several picks. With the current roster paper thin at TE and the depth of this TE draft, he might just go for it. Imagine coming out of the draft with both of either Kincaid or Mayer and one of Washington, LePorta, Musgrave or Kraft.

I would take that over drafting Kincaid and most of the WR's that are receiving round 2 and 3 grades.

Now if JSN was available at #15 and then they were able to grab one of the other 4 TE's I listed, then I can see your scenario.

 

[OldSchool101]

I Suspect we’ll get at minimum a #43 overall in this draft.
That has us likely selecting:
#15
#43
#45
#78
#116
#149
#170
7th
7th
7th
7th

I see us selecting at these positions until something changes.
TE (2)
WR (1-2)
Safety (1-2)
iDL (1-2)
Edge (1)
OL (1)
QB (1)
CB (0-1)
LB (0-1)
RB (0-1)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I Suspect we’ll get at minimum a #43 overall in this draft.
That has us likely selecting:
#15
#43
#45
#78
#116
#149
#170
7th
7th
7th
7th

I see us selecting at these positions until something changes.
TE (2)
WR (1-2)
Safety (1-2)
iDL (1-2)
Edge (1)
OL (1)
QB (1)
CB (0-1)
LB (0-1)
RB (0-1)

I might throw a Kicker in there as well. That is what 7th round picks are for. Grab the best kicker available, so you aren't competing with other teams to sign him as an UDFA.

Heck if I was a 21 year old NFL hopeful, I might prefer going undrafted VS being taking in the 7th. Might give me better options to choose a team that I think I have the best chance at making its roster.

 

[tynimiller]

There is no doubt that the Packers are going to need to add to their receiving room, both TE's and WR's. The good news for the Packers is the the TE class of draftees is the best that I can remember. I expect/hope they use one of their first 3 picks on one. Guessing they will select at least 1 more in the 7 rounds.

WR is a different story. This is not a very strong class of WR's. The only WR I like in the 1st round would be JSN, but think he will go in the top 12 picks. After that, I'd be fine seeing them wait until after the 3rd round for a WR, if at all.

As this article points out, the fundamental skill of catching a ball is probably the biggest question mark for most of the WR class. Yup, Davante had that issue and figured it out, but so did J'Mon Moore and he is probably selling used cars somewhere.

As someone that loves a lot of good WR's, if they don't get JSN, I would actually be fine with signing a cheaper vet FA or 2, sign a few UDFA WR's and go into the season with Watson, Doubs and a vet making up your 1-3 WR depth chart.

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I push back very ******* the theory that this WR class is as weak as some are saying. The depth of this WR class is immense, the problem is if you told me I had to bet my house on a WR1 from this group to emerge i'd struggle to want to say any name but JSN is arguably that guy for me.

BUT

This class is RIDDLED with guys I foresee immensely long and solid NFL careers as team's WR2s and WR3s. While I despise the first round for WRs this year, I LOVE Day 2 and even Day 3 more than any I can remember.

I'll put it this way, everyone knows I brought up Doubs as an excellent Day 2 guy I felt could be a WR3 borderline WR2 if he excelled in his first year....this year I have more than a dozen guys I'd say this about....

(in no order)
Tillman
Hyatt
Rice
Flowers
Addison
Johnston
Mingo
Mims
Hutchinson
Palmer
Wilson
Puka

Guys I see as legit WR3 types but not the ceiling potential year one as above:

Iosivas
Reed
Washington
Downs
Perry
Ford-Wheaton
Dell
Bell
Wicks

and I'm probably forgetting some as going off memory.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I push back very ******* the theory that this WR class is as weak as some are saying. The depth of this WR class is immense, the problem is if you told me I had to bet my house on a WR1 from this group to emerge i'd struggle to want to say any name but JSN is arguably that guy for me.

BUT

This class is RIDDLED with guys I foresee immensely long and solid NFL careers as team's WR2s and WR3s. While I despise the first round for WRs this year, I LOVE Day 2 and even Day 3 more than any I can remember.

I'll put it this way, everyone knows I brought up Doubs as an excellent Day 2 guy I felt could be a WR3 borderline WR2 if he excelled in his first year....this year I have more than a dozen guys I'd say this about....

(in no order)
Tillman
Hyatt
Rice
Flowers
Addison
Johnston
Mingo
Mims
Hutchinson
Palmer
Wilson
Puka

Guys I see as legit WR3 types but not the ceiling potential year one as above:

Iosivas
Reed
Washington
Downs
Perry
Ford-Wheaton
Dell
Bell
Wicks

and I'm probably forgetting some as going off memory.

While I mostly agree with you, I think JSN is your only "almost" sure thing as a teams #1 WR and you are rolling the dice on the rest to be a #2 or #3 at best. Because yes, as you pointed out, there are a lot of those kinds of guys, but odds are many will bust. Depending on how much a team wants to spend on that gamble and its current situation, is where the rest of the guys you listed go to. I wasn't trying to imply that its a bad group, just not one I would be overly excited about this years Packers spending a late 1st round pick or their only 2nd rounder on, just to get a guy to play behind Watson and Doubs, with the hope that one day he blossoms into a decent #2. I would much rather spend it elsewhere and fill that #3
WR spot with a cheap vet.

Now next year, might be a different story. Let's say Love is legit, Watson too and Doubs is just so-so. Then you go after a much better WR in free agency or the draft.

I probably am looking more to the future (past this season) than some, because I think this season is going to be a learning one and I would rather fatten up the cap for the future and use the top 1-3 draft picks on guys that will have the potential to be #1 at their position by next season.

 

[Schultz]

(Harvey) Puka? What's a pooka? A six foot invisble rabbit who drinks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

(Harvey) Puka? What's a pooka? A six foot invisble rabbit who drinks.

A 6 ft 3 1/2" tall white invisible rabbit or in this case, a 6'2" WR from BYU....not to be confused with a BYO Harvey. Just realized, I have the Packers taking him in the 7th in my Amish draft.

 

[gopkrs]

Gonna be fun and interesting. I wish those first 10 picks would go a little faster though. I can't help thinking about the cat that ate the canary when I see recent pics of Gute. Of course, that remains to be seen.

 

[Todd Princl]

I traded with Jacksonville our pick 15 for 24 and 56.

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[Dantés]

I traded with Jacksonville our pick 15 for 24 and 56.

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Good work, Todd.

 

[Todd Princl]

I don’t know why I have this fixation concerning Carter though. He had a poor combine but I love his length and although raw I think he has upside.

 

[Dantés]

I don’t know why I have this fixation concerning Carter though. He had a poor combine but I love his length and although raw I think he has upside.

The argument to be made regarding Carter is that he didn’t have nearly the same opportunity as normal prospects to train and work on his body for the purposes of football. The logic being that once he’s in an NFL SC program, he will have a lot of untapped potential.

 

[Dantés]

Ji’Ayir Brown, SAF, Penn State

He’s one to keep an eye for Green Bay.

If you combine the best results of his combine and pro day, he comes out at an 8.58 RAS. Most analysts think he’s fast/athletic on tape.

He has the skill set of a guy who can play two high because he isn’t pigeonholed into a deep or box role.

 

[Schultz]

I want to go back to why I believe the Pack should draft an OL (Johnson, Jones, Wright, Skoronski) in the 1st round or not until the 5th or even 7th. I do not believe the current OL is as bad as most seem to. What was their final PFF ranking last season? You can't expect to have 5 above average guys on your line. 5 guys times 32 teams. I doubt there are 160 above avg. lineman in the public's estimation in the league. We have 2 very good guys and a bunch of avg ones. An argument can be made about somebody being a little above average and others being a little below avg. So I would like to see a top guy added or get another late round prospect and use the earlier picks to fill other holes that I consider more pressing. Bakhs age and contract also makes me hope to see his future replacement come out of this draft.

 

[Snoops]

I think Green Bay is going O Line or edge rusher and may move back in the first for a TE that’s my thoughts

 

[Big L]

Say the Packers don’t have pick #13 and the top 14 unfold like this:

1. CAR: A. Richardson, QB
2. HOU: C. Stroud, QB
3. LV: B. Young, QB
4. IND: W. Levis, QB
5. SEA: J. Carter, iDL
6. DET: W. Anderson, ED
7. ARI: C. Gonzalez, CB
8. ATL: B. Robinson, RB
9. CHI: P. Johnson, OT
10. PHI: T. Wilson, ED
11. TEN: L. Van Ness, ED
12. HOU: J. Smith-Njigba, WR
13. NYJ: B. Jones, OT
14. NE: D. Wright, OT

So now you’re on the clock with the top pass catcher gone and the top tackles cleaned out. The trade back market is dry.

Consider this:

The Packers lost 1200 snaps on the DL between Lowry and Reed, plus Clark needs his work load reduced. Even with Wyatt taking a much bigger role, they’re shy basically a starter level workload (~700 snaps).

This DL class is very shallow. The quality dries up quickly.

Bryan Bresee profiles like a Packer all day long. They like to take DL high in the draft, he’s a 9.6 RAS player, and he’s only 21.

He would be a very Green Bay pick. And while I would prefer help for Love, I would understand it, especially because the top of this WR class isn’t good. I’d rather him than a TE in round 1.

No brainer for me here M. Murphy.

 

[Big L]

I agree and I think Julius Brents an oober Gute type prospect could sneak in there like Nolan Smith has done.

I agree with you though, I mean I could see them take Skoronski ala Jenkins and he is an iOL not an OT IMO.

I do disagree on Ringo - not a guy I’d take even over Brents. I think truthfully if Keion White wasn’t 24 he’d have Gute written all over him in first round.

It could be a case where a team selects Skoronski as an OL and worry about the fit when they bring him in. He
is a really good player.

 

[OldSchool101]

If GB gets at least of 42 or 43, it also opens a legitimate option to use #78 in a trade up on Day1 in the event a top 7-8 type selection slips outside of 10 overall.

 

[tynimiller]

If GB gets at least of 42 or 43, it also opens a legitimate option to use #78 in a trade up on Day1 in the event a top 7-8 type selection slips outside of 10 overall.

Unless it is a Edge, Carter or a CB I don't see any other position that is a top 10 personally....JSN I don't even think is that high....but is arguably the only one. This is not a draft IMO to trade up at all, especially given our position.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I want to go back to why I believe the Pack should draft an OL (Johnson, Jones, Wright, Skoronski) in the 1st round or not until the 5th or even 7th. I do not believe the current OL is as bad as most seem to. What was their final PFF ranking last season? You can't expect to have 5 above average guys on your line. 5 guys times 32 teams. I doubt there are 160 above avg. lineman in the public's estimation in the league. We have 2 very good guys and a bunch of avg ones. An argument can be made about somebody being a little above average and others being a little below avg. So I would like to see a top guy added or get another late round prospect and use the earlier picks to fill other holes that I consider more pressing. Bakhs age and contract also makes me hope to see his future replacement come out of this draft.

I truly believe that Rodgers made the offensive line look much better than they really are. If there's any truth to that the Packers might need to improve the right side of the line for Love to have a chance at being successful.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I truly believe that Rodgers made the offensive line look much better than they really are. If there's any truth to that the Packers might need to improve the right side of the line for Love to have a chance at being successful.

Lots of places to go to help build an offense around Love. TE is probably the most immediate need but rookie TEs don't generally provide any real impact to a team; that being said I really want the Packers to target Washington in the 2nd since he has the most upside to help as a release valve AND in pass protection. Unless everyone thinks Watson is going to play 17 games this year, or that they'll only play in two receiver sets, the Packers need help at receiver as well as someone for the right side of the oline.

Taking all that into account, I fully expect Gute to draft a safety/edge rusher first in the hope of finally putting together that elite defense that Joe Barry is incapable of coaching.

For the record: My favorite scenario is trading down to the top of the 2nd and drafting Darnell Washington. What I think will happen if the Packers stay at 15 is they draft Myles Murphy because Gute loves him some freakishly athletic edge players and the defense, while weak at safety, has basically zero pass rush without Gary (who probably won't be fully healthy to start the season).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Taking all that into account, I fully expect Gute to draft a safety/edge rusher first in the hope of finally putting together that elite defense that Joe Barry is incapable of coaching.

I really hope that isn't the case. I don't see any safety that I like at 15, maybe Branch if Gute trades down to 25ish. Myles Murphy to me is another guy that depending on his character, could be a total bust. He definitely has the physical attributes, but he still has a lot to learn to play consistently, at a high level in the NFL. If they feel like he is eager and wanting to go at it like a Rashan Gary, then maybe he's worth it. He won't be an impact player his rookie year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Any guesses on how many QB's, EDGE and CB's will be taken in round 1?

My Guess:

QB's: 5

EDGE: 5

CB's: 6