2023 Draft Talk

[OldSchool101]

I also wouldn’t disagree of going with the best of DL or Edge with #15 if we though a player was deemed better than that. I just see is being much more dynamic with Gary and opposite threat pass rushing. Also until Gary is healthy we do need a better option to put pressure on the Pocket in the meantime.

I’d love to see a TE selected by our #45 overall and would not be opposed to trading up very slightly with a Day 3 selection IF one is in sniffing distance.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It looked like a lopsided trade until I did the math. Amazingly I came up within +-50 total draft points (+Add in, Chicago) after applying loss of time and DJ Moore’s value.

After watching Fields do what he did with a stripped Roster, I feel very comfortable that as the next 2 seasons unfold you’ll see him surge

Also I predict Ryan Poles is the best and most reasonable chance Chicago has at rebuilding. I know how you have fun drafting players, now watch what he does with those 8 top 150 overall college draft selections to get the train moving. He’s got an impressive resume of player acquisition. I have Ryan Poles as a strong Wild Card in our Division going forward.

I’m not a fan of Chicago, but I highly respect Ryan Poles and I absolutely love how he goes about his business under the radar. His silent, but direct involvement in KC had him as one of the hottest in the league in player acquisition. Ryan could teach a master’s class for finding player talent groupings throughout the draft.

Agree with you about Poles. He has a big job in front of him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I also wouldn’t disagree of going with the best of DL or Edge with #15 if we though a player was deemed better than that. I just see is being much more dynamic with Gary and opposite threat pass rushing. Also until Gary is healthy we do need a better option to put pressure on the Pocket in the meantime.

I’d love to see a TE selected by our #45 overall and would not be opposed to trading up very slightly with a Day 3 selection IF one is in sniffing distance.

I'd prefer a TE at #15, Mayer or Musgrave. Give Love some weapons, and the Packers haven't had a stud TE since JF. Edge is a "temporary immediate" need and can be addressed in FA. My preferred order for the draft is TE, S, OT, Edge. It will help a lot to get the Jets' first and second round picks if Gluten can pull it off.

But it would be tempting if Van Ness was still around at #13 or #15.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Looking back on last season, I wish that Rodgers hadn't owned the Bears on Dec. 4th. I think had the Packers lost that game, they would have "given themselves permission" to start Love in the remaining 4 games. Not only would that have probably given the front office more information on what they would do with both Rodgers and Love, but quite possibly, it would be the Packers and not the Bears with a bunch of picks in rounds 1 and 2.

I'm not so sure. The Packers needed 12 games to start playing like a team, and Barry's awful D wasn't corrected until much too late in the season. I'll be ok getting the Jets' first and second round picks, if Gluten can pull it off.

 

[Schultz]

I know. It was a tough call there and even if we got into a Wild Card scenario, we have to ask ourselves honestly if we were built for a deep playoff run. We just weren’t.

It’s a shame because imo Gutey is above average at acquiring players. However I think he’s below average at team building and the the more global logistics of roster building. He’s learning, but making key mistakes along the way.

Hopefully we stick this draft, because we don’t get to pick in the teens very often.

If he doesn't stick this draft and or AR is traded they will be picking in the early teens next year. IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not so sure. The Packers needed 12 games to start playing like a team, and Barry's awful D wasn't corrected until much too late in the season. I'll be ok getting the Jets' first and second round picks, if Gluten can pull it off.

While the Packers beat 2 ok teams (Vikings and Dolphins), they also beat 2 bad teams...Bears and Rams. Then they lost to the Lions at home, with a playoff birth on the line. The 2022 Packers were not a good team, despite winning 4 of their last 5.

 

[Pkrjones]

If he doesn't stick this draft and or AR is traded they will be picking in the early teens next year. IMO.

Keep in mind GB is playing a 3rd place schedule in '23. IMHO, 7-10 is the floor, could very well be 9-8 or even 10-7.

Home opponents are: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Buccaneers.
Away opponents: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Broncos, Raiders, Giants, Steelers.

 

[PikeBadger]

While the Packers beat 2 ok teams (Vikings and Dolphins), they also beat 2 bad teams...Bears and Rams. Then they lost to the Lions at home, with a playoff birth on the line. The 2022 Packers were not a good team, despite winning 4 of their last 5.

You can't hide behind 8-9. That's the definition of mediocre.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't have any stats, but it seems Gluten has done better in rounds 4 through 7 than 1 through 3. Maybe, maybe not.

Gutekunst has been awful in the third round but there's no truth to him having had more success in the later rounds than on the first two days of the draft.

Here'a list of some players selected by him in the first three rounds: Jaire Alexander, Rashan Gary, Elgton Jenkins, AJ Dillon, Eric Stokes, Quay Walker, Christian Watson. On day three the best ones include MVS, Jon Runyan, Royce Newman and Romeo Doubs.

 

[Heyjoe4]

While the Packers beat 2 ok teams (Vikings and Dolphins), they also beat 2 bad teams...Bears and Rams. Then they lost to the Lions at home, with a playoff birth on the line. The 2022 Packers were not a good team, despite winning 4 of their last 5.

I agree with the overall assessment. The 2022 Packers were a long way from being a good team. And after the 4-8 start, I was surprised they won 4 straight. The loss at home to the Lions with so much on the line told the story of the season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Keep in mind GB is playing a 3rd place schedule in '23. IMHO, 7-10 is the floor, could very well be 9-8 or even 10-7.

Home opponents are: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Buccaneers.
Away opponents: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Broncos, Raiders, Giants, Steelers.

The road schedule looks very doable - umm, right now. A lot of things change.

 

[Schultz]

Keep in mind GB is playing a 3rd place schedule in '23. IMHO, 7-10 is the floor, could very well be 9-8 or even 10-7.

Home opponents are: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Buccaneers.
Away opponents: Bears, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Broncos, Raiders, Giants, Steelers.

Dang, I stand corrected, I see 12 wins there if Rodgers is healthy and the starter and they continue their controversial strategy of trying to win every game. IMO.

 

[Pkrjones]

Dang, I stand corrected, I see 12 wins there if Rodgers is healthy and the starter and they continue their controversial strategy of trying to win every game. IMO.

My above prediction of 7-10 to 10-7 was with Love starting... don't even want to consider AR back in GB due to the financial quagmire that he creates. I'd much rather face the next 6+ years with Love than the next 1-2 yrs. with AR.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'd prefer a TE at #15, Mayer or Musgrave. Give Love some weapons, and the Packers haven't had a stud TE since JF. Edge is a "temporary immediate" need and can be addressed in FA. My preferred order for the draft is TE, S, OT, Edge. It will help a lot to get the Jets' first and second round picks if Gluten can pull it off.

But it would be tempting if Van Ness was still around at #13 or #15.

I’m certainly not going to cry either if we think a TE is the best option there at #15. However I’m reading a little deeper. What I also believe can be important is keeping 2 dynamic Pass Rushers. Preston is a great 3rd but if we had someone who pushed Gary? I think we could have a 25 Sack duo in the realm if a poor man’s KC Chiefs “D.T.” and Neil Smith 2-punch. Preston will need to be replaced soon and we’d be stout IF we hit at Edge. Keeping the score in that 17-19 points per game is another way to help Love.

In addition, I see 3-4 TE’s likely available and that are worthy of a top 60 area selection. Yet imo they are not worthy of a later Day 1 grade without reaching. That’s the board area where team need begins to rise but does not yet cross value at TE aside from those top couple guys.
I see any of: Washington, Musgrave, LaPorta and Kraft as 2nd Round upgraded. My personal favorite is Darnell Washington, but his elite Combine could have him going in that top 40 range on athleticism and measurable’s alone. I have The bulk of teams needing TE picking in the 2nd half of each round (particularly the mid 20’s) If Kincaid and Mayer are gone the 20’s is reaching in varying degrees for the remaining grouping. Not saying it won’t happen, team’s reach, I just hope it’s not us.

 

[Heyjoe4]

My above prediction of 7-10 to 10-7 was with Love starting... don't even want to consider AR back in GB due to the financial quagmire that he creates. I'd much rather face the next 6+ years with Love than the next 1-2 yrs. with AR.

Well said Pk. At this point, it would break my heart if Rodgers comes back.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’m certainly not going to cry either if we think a TE is the best option there at #15. However I’m reading a little deeper. What I also believe can be important is keeping 2 dynamic Pass Rushers. Preston is a great 3rd but if we had someone who pushed Gary? I think we could have a 25 Sack duo in the realm if a poor man’s KC Chiefs “D.T.” and Neil Smith 2-punch. Preston will need to be replaced soon and we’d be stout IF we hit at Edge. Keeping the score in that 17-19 points per game is another way to help Love.

In addition, I see 3-4 TE’s likely available and that are worthy of a top 60 area selection. Yet imo they are not worthy of a later Day 1 grade without reaching. That’s the board area where team need begins to rise but does not yet cross value at TE aside from those top couple guys.
I see any of: Washington, Musgrave, LaPorta and Kraft as 2nd Round upgraded. My personal favorite is Darnell Washington, but his elite Combine could have him going in that top 40 range on athleticism and measurable’s alone. I have The bulk of teams needing TE picking in the 2nd half of each round (particularly the mid 20’s) If Kincaid and Mayer are gone the 20’s is reaching in varying degrees for the remaining grouping. Not saying it won’t happen, team’s reach, I just hope it’s not us.

Can never have enough good players…. I’d be ok if they took Van Ness instead of Branch, to your point of having three very good to great rushers. Now if Love just plays relatively mistake free, well that’s a good team. Bring on life w/o Rodgers. Or to put it another way - Rodgers can’t leave soon enough.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Preston is a great 3rd but if we had someone who pushed Gary?

In my opinion Preston is a decent starter. With Gary coming back from a season ending injury and Smith getting up there in age I wouldn't mind adding another potential starter at edge rusher though.

 

[Mondio]

I think Preston, outside of the start of 1 season here, has been very steady and productive. More so than the stats show. I'd take him over a lot of the boom and bust guys out there that get around the edge a few more times for a sack but are giving up a lot when they run themselves out of most other plays and hurt the defense.

But I do agree, GB can use another impact edge guy. Would not surprise me in the least to see one taken high in the draft.

 

[Caya]

How’s this for a draft???

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[tynimiller]

How’s this for a draft???

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Unrealistic.

 

[Pkrjones]

How’s this for a draft???

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Don't think Ditka is GM'ing both Tampa & KC, so doubt both teams would trade their entire draft... but it's fun to dream.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One of the draft simulators allowed me to trade Rodgers for the Jets entire 2023 draft, plus a first in 2024. At this point, the Packers might not be able to get much more than a 2nd this year and a conditional 2024 mid round pick.

 

[tynimiller]

Simulators let you do tons of things - staying realistic is the only attractive way of doing those things and even then with a grain of salt. There are times I've watched guys drop just ignorantly and you just have to ignore it to keep it realistic.

 

[Poppa San]

One of the draft simulators allowed me to trade Rodgers for the Jets entire 2023 draft, plus a first in 2024. At this point, the Packers might not be able to get much more than a 2nd this year and a conditional 2024 mid round pick.

If I remember right, last year I did a mock and traded everything until the 4th round. This year I'd have like 7 first rounders and half the 2nd.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Simulators let you do tons of things - staying realistic is the only attractive way of doing those things and even then with a grain of salt. There are times I've watched guys drop just ignorantly and you just have to ignore it to keep it realistic.

Yes and you can definitely see the difference of where each simulator ranks players. Pick 2-3 simulators, do each of them several times and you start seeing the same players and results, but only with that simulator. I don't play fantasy football anymore, but I can imagine they have these same simulators for that fantasy too.