2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[TomBrownFan40]

Hey since this thread is already on fire, can I just ask:

What would it look like, cap wise, to trade Rodgers after this season?

I found this interesting bit in an article by Adam Maya at NFL.com

"It wasn't until his third and final year alongside Rodgers that Favre returned to his Pro Bowl form and led the Packers to the NFC Championship Round. Year 3 with Love is also the time the Green Bay brass could be making a big decision on Rodgers, as his cap hit drops considerably from roughly $31.5 million to just over $17M after the 2021 season."

 

[Mondio]

Then they should have traded back rather than waste a pick in Love..who is frankly unnecessary at this time.

well obviously they liked him. and maybe nobody wanted to trade back. That was my preference heading into the whole thing, but sometimes the opportunity doesn't even present itself. But I think it should be more than apparent they liked Love more than a little bit. For now I'll trust them. QB IS by far the most important position on the field and if they got a good one, this was a really good pick. Teams have been picking QB's for years and haven't gotten one, so if he's good, I don't care when he's good, it was a good pick.

 

[ARPackFan]

I think its more like 3 more seasons, unless $17.2 M is a palatable cap hit at the end of 2021.

I think the other piece of this and the way that you have to put it to people is that the following amounts would immediately hit our cap if Rodgers was cut or traded at some point in time before the contract is up:

Currently, Rodgers has a dead cap hit of $51,148,000

After the 2020 season, that will drop to: $31,556,000

After the 2021 season, that will drop to: $17,204,000

After the 2022 season, that will drop to: $2,852,000

I will only add, that if he was traded after June 1 then the cap hit would be split up over two years. $15.5M dead money in 2021 and the other half in 2022.

 

[GleefulGary]

Here's my question to some of you:

GB clearly isn't going to be picking early any time soon.

So at what point, is the right time to find the QB of the future? Now remember, no guarantees you'll find one with your late 1st pick! No guarantees you'll find one in later rounds. And if you're picking early, well, then we got big issues.

What I'm saying is that if they felt like they could find the future QB here, now, then it makes perfect sense to take him.

 

[GleefulGary]

And also this, watch the LSU game. Watch it.

Love is a talented player.

 

[Dantés]

Here's my question to some of you:

GB clearly isn't going to be picking early any time soon.

So at what point, is the right time to find the QB of the future? Now remember, no guarantees you'll find one with your late 1st pick! No guarantees you'll find one in later rounds. And if you're picking early, well, then we got big issues.

What I'm saying is that if they felt like they could find the future QB here, now, then it makes perfect sense to take him.

I felt like starting next year was the right time in that it would be a good mix of Rodgers being close to the end of his guaranteed money and still being around so the kid could develop.

However, the part in bold is the counter to that idea that matters.

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think "now" was the time either. but if you think that QB is going to be great, you don't pass it by. Now if they just think he's going to be an ok NFL starter, it was a mistake I think. But I doubt Gute moves up in the 1st for a guy he thinks is going to be ok

 

[Patriotplayer90]

And also this, watch the LSU game. Watch it.

Love is a talented player.

He's got great throws and bad throws, and very little else to go off of. And the offense scored 6 points. That's a joke.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

if they believe they can get the same quality receiver in the 2nd that was available to them in the first, what’s difference?

A good point. Let's say that they traded back with Miami and used the 39th pick to grab a WR and Love somehow drops to 45 and they use #62 and both 4ths (one obtained in trade back) to move up and grab him. How would those picks and moves be viewed then?

 

[GleefulGary]

He's got great throws and bad throws, and very little else to go off of. And the offense scored 6 points. That's a joke.

You're joking, right?

I'll be blunt.

If anybody isn't impressed by Love in that game, they got no clue what they're watching.

He's throwing to ****** receivers that are 6'2, 5'10, 5'8, and 5'7. AGAINST LSU. WITH AN NFL SECONDARY. WITH TWO DB'S GETTING DRAFTED TODAY, AND THE BEST ONE WAS A FRESHMAN!!

He had friggin high level NFL throws in that game. He showed elite placement in that game. Great touch on some deep throws. Movement skills in the pocket and outside of it. Great pass on a slant that got dropped that would've been a TD. Open your eyes. Look at the talent he had, and the talent against him.

Good grief.

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think "now" was the time either. but if you think that QB is going to be great, you don't pass it by. Now if they just think he's going to be an ok NFL starter, it was a mistake I think. But I doubt Gute moves up in the 1st for a guy he thinks is going to be ok

Oh man, and in sticking with the precedent set by Dantes, I must apologize. I think I used "think" or some derivative 5 times in a single post. That is also unacceptable. I'd promise to do better, but it's likely not possible.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh man, and in sticking with the precedent set by Dantes, I must apologize. I think I used "think" or some derivative 5 times in a single post. That is also unacceptable. I'd promise to do better, but it's likely not possible.

I think you are overthinking just how much you think.

 

[Mondio]

an obvious case of thinking i'm thinking when in fact I am not

 

[Patriotplayer90]

You're joking, right?

I'll be blunt.

If anybody isn't impressed by Love in that game, they got no clue what they're watching.

He's throwing to ****** receivers that are 6'2, 5'10, 5'8, and 5'7. AGAINST LSU. WITH AN NFL SECONDARY. WITH TWO DB'S GETTING DRAFTED TODAY, AND THE BEST ONE WAS A FRESHMAN!!

He had friggin high level NFL throws in that game. He showed elite placement in that game. Great touch on some deep throws. Movement skills in the pocket and outside of it. Great pass on a slant that got dropped that would've been a TD. Open your eyes. Look at the talent he had, and the talent against him.

Good grief.

Glass half full type of guy, I see. Rodgers' receivers were terrible last year and he had much better numbers.

 

[BrokenArrow]

What are you smoking? Love threw 17 picks last year. He doesn't see the field and tucks and runs just like Deshon Kizer. Do you really think the Packers can fix glaring holes at WR, TE, ILB, DL and OT with the 62 and 94 picks? Gute has really sent a huge nessage to the team. Its a big FU to 2020 and 2021.

He had 32 TDs and 6 INTs the previous year! Last year he lost his coach and most of his OL. In fact, his OL was outright BAD. He was constantly scrambling to salvage broken plays. But here's the opinion of a guy who knows more than either one of us:

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[BrokenArrow]

The other receivers were the worst in the league. That's why Rodgers did not throw to them. Maybe try improving that? If you get a franchise QB, you should try to elevate him and give him everyone he needs in order to succeed, and all we did was milk an all time great player for years . Terrible look for the organization.

More ********. He had guys open regularly for modest gains and refused to throw to them over and over. He would either throw toward #17, hold the ball looking for the big play, throw it away or take a bad sack. All you have to do is look at what he did when Adams was out for a month. He spread the ball around. Then as soon as 17 was back, tunnel vision again. Go back and watch the game and instead of following the ball with your eyes the entire game like a 10 year old kid, watch the rest of what is going on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

All Love aside, I will congratulate Gute on being able to move up from 30 to 26 with only having to combine his late 4th round pick with the #30 pick to do it.

By the Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart, Miami took a 40 point value hit, which is the equivalent of a mid 4th round pick. I read that the Seahawks were on the phone with Gute making a similar trade back and Gute said something like "got a better deal, thanks" and hung up. Guessing the Seahawks wanted the 4th and more or maybe even the Packers 3rd.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

He had 32 TDs and 6 INTs the previous year! Last year he lost his coach and most of his OL. In fact, his OL was outright BAD. He was constantly scrambling to salvage broken plays. But here's the opinion of a guy who knows more than either one of us:

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Yeah and he looks like a system one-read QB who threw inaccurate passes to wide open receivers. Too much work to be done to reach for him WHEN YOU JUST REACHED THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP. And not in spite or failing to progress bc of your QB.

 

[GleefulGary]

Glass half full type of guy, I see. Rodgers' receivers were terrible last year and he had much better numbers.

Rodgers had a top 5 NFL WR, and a bunch of Joe's competing against NFL talent.

Love had a bunch of bums from the Mountain West competing against the 15-0 national championship winner LSU where every single starter in the secondary, heck, probably the entire starting defense, will play in the NFL.

Surely even you can see the difference with that, and with what you posted. Those aren't comparable situations.

 

[rmontro]

According to First Take, LeFleur was the driving force in picking up Love. He didn't want to let him slip by.

 

[BrokenArrow]

While you're definitely right about that there's no doubt the first rounder is the most valuable pick and the best chance to improve the team.

A low first round pick is a glorified second round pick. There's generally a big drop off in immediate impact past the 15-20th pick.

 

[BrokenArrow]

According to First Take, LeFleur was the driving force in picking up Love. He didn't want to let him slip by.

Good. That means he has a plan.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

an obvious case of thinking i'm thinking when in fact I am not

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[Patriotplayer90]

According to First Take, LeFleur was the driving force in picking up Love. He didn't want to let him slip by.

LaFluer also thought that he could fix Marcus Mariota. He loved him while studying him pre draft in Atlanta and signed with Tennessee for that reason. He's taken on projects that he couldn't complete.

 

[XPack]

Here's my question to some of you:

GB clearly isn't going to be picking early any time soon.

So at what point, is the right time to find the QB of the future? Now remember, no guarantees you'll find one with your late 1st pick! No guarantees you'll find one in later rounds. And if you're picking early, well, then we got big issues.

What I'm saying is that if they felt like they could find the future QB here, now, then it makes perfect sense to take him.

Later the better. Now is time to aim for SB with Rodgers. Not to experiment on future QB.