2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[GleefulGary]

Packers are, right now, undoubtedly worse than they were last year from a personnel standpoint. Good news is that the players should make a leap in the second year under a new coach. I do think the 49ers, Saints, KC, and Baltimore are all better teams right now than the Packers though.

Worse at RT, better at LB, better at TE.

 

[CanadaCheese]

This is perhaps the silliest argument I've heard. Instead of getting a 13-3 team help with what you call a "declining" QB, you just start planning for 2022.

It was a stupid pick unless there is something going on "behind the scenes" that the general public isn't privy to.
Love doesn't possess a "can't miss" feel to him........Rodgers did when he dropped

 

[CanadaCheese]

While I agree with this on the surface, I have to point out, I think there is a strong possibility, that we as fans don't have all the facts concerning the relationship between the Packers and Rodgers. Also, there is always the chance that Rodgers himself has privately told the Packer organization something about his future status that we just don't know.

Something isn't as it appears to be for most of us outside the organization IMO, we may eventually find out or maybe never. Obviously, there is also that possibility that it is just what it is, a Football team with an eye on the end of the career of a Packer legend, that they feel will end sooner than many of us thought or want to believe.

EXACTLY

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nope, Love isn't going to win many games at QB early in his career, especially with the receiving group he would be trying to throw to.

That might be a stretch to say at this point, since we have no clue who that WR corp will be. I know what you are trying to imply, but let the draft and development run its course before we say that because we drafted Love, we are now stuck with a crappy WR group.

 

[jhawk008]

It was a stupid pick unless there is something going on "behind the scenes" that the general public isn't privy to.
Love doesn't possess a "can't miss" feel to him........Rodgers did when he dropped

This is why I don't like the pick. If it's someone like Tua, then I understand it. Rodgers was a potential #1 overall pick. Jordan Love is the 4th-6th best QB in this draft, depending on who you ask

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's almost as if people have forgotten the draft isn't over yet. Weird.

Yeah, I'm not counting on Mims, Pittman, Johnson, Cleveland, Epenesa, or Josh Jones being there at 64...but sure, I can almost guarantee that the 64th and 94th players selected will be more helpful than a QB who will be on the bench for 3 years.

 

[Do7]

Yes

Well it's a good thing it's just an opinion just like mine huh? And based off what has made you draw this conclusion that we aren't contenders? I'm asking for a friend.

 

[CanadaCheese]

It's almost as if people have forgotten the draft isn't over yet. Weird.

They have two picks today
After today the chance of getting anything other than cannon fodder for training camps is remote.
We need STARTERS for: 1 elite WR, 1 Right Tackle, 1 Inside Linebacker, 1 Outside Linebacker/ Rush end
Even if we hit on both we're still two key positions short

 

[GleefulGary]

This is why I don't like the pick. If it's someone like Tua, then I understand it. Rodgers was a potential #1 overall pick. Jordan Love is the 4th-6th best QB in this draft, depending on who you ask

Believe Greg Cosell had him at 2 or 3. Few others did too.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I agree with this on the surface, I have to point out, I think there is a strong possibility, that we as fans don't have all the facts concerning the relationship between the Packers and Rodgers. Also, there is always the chance that Rodgers himself has privately told the Packer organization something about his future status that we just don't know.

Something isn't as it appears to be for most of us outside the organization IMO, we may eventually find out or maybe never. Obviously, there is also that possibility that it is just what it is, a Football team with an eye on the end of the career of a Packer legend, that they feel will end sooner than many of us thought or want to believe.

His status is that, as long as he doesn't retire, the cap precludes the Packers from moving him. That's it. Drafting a rookie QB doesn't change anything other than potentially damaging the relationship between the team and Rodgers.

 

[CanadaCheese]

Well it's a good thing it's just an opinion just like mine huh? And based off what has made you draw this conclusion that we aren't contenders? I'm asking for a friend.

Exactly....opinions
I'm saying we have zero chance of competing with SF, Baltimore, KC, and probably Dallas and Seattle sice our talent isn't good enough and holes in key positions too large

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

as long as he doesn't retire

That actually crossed my mind. Anyone know what happens to the dead cap hit in that situation?

 

[PackAttack12]

It's almost as if people have forgotten the draft isn't over yet. Weird.

As @Pokerbrat2000 correctly pointed out, this pick should not be viewed in the scope of the draft as a whole. This move deserves to be praised, or criticized based off of the move independent to anything else that transpires. Unless of course we end up flipping Love tonight, which I highly doubt.

The pick is done. It's accounted for. Rounds 2 thru 7 could go great, still wouldn't change my opinion of what happened last night.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Worse at RT, better at LB, better at TE.

Worse at CB as well. Better at LB is debatable since the guy everyone is counting on hasn't really been a good ILB for a couple of seasons.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

That might be a stretch to say at this point, since we have no clue who that WR corp will be. I know what you are trying to imply, but let the draft and development run its course before we say that because we drafted Love, we are now stuck with a crappy WR group.

Everything I'm discussing is with the team in its current state. If Gute manages a trade for Curtis Samuel then I will say it would change a lot of things.

 

[easyk83]

This is why I don't like the pick. If it's someone like Tua, then I understand it. Rodgers was a potential #1 overall pick. Jordan Love is the 4th-6th best QB in this draft, depending on who you ask

Tua's 13 on the wonderlic leaves me wondering if he can run an NFL offense. But good on him if he puts his pants on without help.

 

[GleefulGary]

Worse at CB as well. Better at LB is debatable since the guy everyone is counting on hasn't really been a good ILB for a couple of seasons.

Martinez hasn't been good in ever. Depending on the draft, Tramon may still come back. Wouldn't say CB is worse yet.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

That actually crossed my mind. Anyone know what happens to the dead cap hit in that situation?

There is none, when a guy retires there is no cap hit. He's not retiring though because he still is a high-level QB and I doubt he wants to give away millions of dollars.

 

[easyk83]

Worse at CB as well. Better at LB is debatable since the guy everyone is counting on hasn't really been a good ILB for a couple of seasons.

I wouldnt make a conclusion at CB. Quite frankly Jaire and KK might both take a healthy step forward and improve the position significantly.

 

[GleefulGary]

As @Pokerbrat2000 correctly pointed out, this pick should not be viewed in the scope of the draft as a whole. This move deserves to be praised, or criticized based off of the move independent to anything else that transpires. Unless of course we end up flipping Love tonight, which I highly doubt.

The pick is done. It's accounted for. Rounds 2 thru 7 could go great, still wouldn't change my opinion of what happened last night.

And whether the pick is good or not won't be known for years. None of us know yet.

 

[PackAttack12]

And whether the pick is good or not won't be known for years. None of us know yet.

Absolutely. But it won't keep us from speculating where we stand now. My only point is that, in my opinion, what happens for the rest of the draft doesn't matter in terms of evaluating this move.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Everything I'm discussing is with the team in its current state. If Gute manages a trade for Curtis Samuel then I will say it would change a lot of things.

See though, when you made the statement below, you were discussing the Packers future state, which as I pointed out, we do not know what that is right now. How do you know for sure that Love will have a bad receiving group? Or are you just trying to imply that the group would have been a lot better had the Packers not drafted Love?

Nope, Love isn't going to win many games at QB early in his career, especially with the receiving group he would be trying to throw to.

 

[Dantés]

Reality:

If Love pans out and is a great QB for 10-15 years beginning in 2021 or 2022, all of the pissing and moaning going on will be regretted and people will say "yeah, I was mad at the time, but it all worked out!"

If Love busts out and is not the answer, people will say forever that using our 1st rounder on him instead of a complementary player for Rodgers was one of the reasons AR never got another ring (if indeed he doesn't).

I think it was a year early to start hunting for the successor. They clearly felt they had a shot at a guy too good to pass up. It is what it is. Time to enjoy the draft and the season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

See though, when you made the statement below, you were discussing the Packers future state, which as I pointed out, we do not know what that is right now. How do you know for sure that Love will have a bad receiving group? Or are you just trying to imply that the group would have been a lot better had the Packers not drafted Love?

The second statement was regarding Love becoming valuable if Rodgers got hurt. Yes, I can't predict 3 years down the road. I can say, based on what we saw last year, that the current weapons on this team are not going to be helpful to a young QB and adding rookie receivers next year will ALSO probably not help a young QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time to enjoy the draft and the season.

If nothing else, this one draft move will be talked about for a LONG time....whether it turns out to be a successful move or a failure. It is the focus of most of the National talk on what went down in Round 1 last night, I don't see the conversation going away anytime soon. This thread is already at 13 pages and it just may end up passing "Fire Capers" before too long.