2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[GleefulGary]

If you want to watch a game where you come away convinced Jordan Love will be a good NFL player, watch the LSU game.

He was constantly creating space for his receivers, making guys open, playing against an NFL secondary and NFL LB crew.

Incredibly impressive.

 

[PikeBadger]

They have two picks today
After today the chance of getting anything other than cannon fodder for training camps is remote.
We need STARTERS for: 1 elite WR, 1 Right Tackle, 1 Inside Linebacker, 1 Outside Linebacker/ Rush end
Even if we hit on both we're still two key positions short

Cannon fodder after the 3rd round???? You need to take a close look at All-Pro teams and NFL rosters to see where these guys beginnings in pro football started from.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can say, based on what we saw last year, that the current weapons on this team are not going to be helpful to a young QB and adding rookie receivers next year will ALSO probably not help a young QB.

Trust me, of all people, I am with you on not liking our WR room right now. But I also recognize that there are still 6 rounds of the draft, potential FA's, trades and maybe most importantly, development of the guys currently on the team. Come Sept., the WR group might be a pleasant surprise to both of us.

So yes, we can both say "if Love stepped in during the 2019 season, he would have had a terrible overall group of receivers to work with". Beyond that, the rest is speculation on either of our parts. Implying that drafting Love automatically makes the WR group bad, which maybe you weren't doing, would also be incorrect.

 

[Dantés]

The best comp I can think of for Jordan Love's upside (i.e. not saying "he will be this," but this is what he could be if he worked out) is Carson Wentz, but with a bigger arm. They're comparable athletes with some overlap in skill set. Wentz came out having played with a much better supporting cast, and in a pro style system, so he was more advanced in some areas. But he didn't/doesn't have the arm talent to make some of the throws that Love makes.

 

[Dantés]

If nothing else, this one draft move will be talked about for a LONG time....whether it turns out to be a successful move or a failure. It is the focus of most of the National talk on what went down in Round 1 last night, I don't see the conversation going away anytime soon. This thread is already at 13 pages and it just may end up passing "Fire Capers" before too long.

Yep! And 99% of it will be people cherry picking the aspects of Love's profile that support what they already think in the first place. And his profile uniquely lends itself to people landing on extremes in regards to his abilities. And we won't know anything for like two years.

 

[PackAttack12]

If Love pans out and is a great QB for 10-15 years beginning in 2021 or 2022, all of the pissing and moaning going on will be regretted and people will say "yeah, I was mad at the time, but it all worked out!"

I'll gladly admit that this will be me. However, I'll also make sure to eat crow and say that I was wrong and Gutekunst/LaFleur nailed it. I still don't like the Packers punting on potentially two players that could help win a title in the next 2-3 years, but if it secures elite QB play for another 10-15 years after Rodgers, it'll be worth it for the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And we won't know anything for like two years.

Don't say THAT too loud, it too will become a talking point as to why this was a terrible pick.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Trust me, of all people, I am with you on not liking our WR room right now. But I also recognize that there are still 6 rounds of the draft, potential FA's, trades and maybe most importantly, development of the guys currently on the team. Come Sept., the WR group might be a pleasant surprise to both of us.

So yes, we can both say "if Love stepped in during the 2019 season, he would have had a terrible overall group of receivers to work with". Beyond that, the rest is speculation on either of our parts. Implying that drafting Love automatically makes the WR group bad, which maybe you weren't doing, would also be incorrect.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that Love makes the WR room worse; I meant to state that drafting Love over WR/OT/CB hurts the team for at least the next 3 years.

 

[melvin dangerr]

Rodgers is the reason players wanted to come GB, if you can remember the days when players thought they were being punished if they were sent to GB! Rodgers is one of the biggest reason during his era that players were excited to come to GB because they believed he gave them the best chance at a SB ring, if Love can generate that kind of enthusiasm, and live up to his first round billing, with proper guidance and management not ******** things up we could possibly add another SB or 2. Arod, will not go out w/o another SB fight, I also believe he has enough class in him to pass the torch on to next gen..

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that Love makes the WR room worse; I meant to state that drafting Love over WR/OT/CB hurts the team for at least the next 3 years.

If you want to talk about what Love does overall for the team, i think that is a better discussion, than just saying "he won't have a good WR group to throw to".

Anyway, I had to laugh. While looking at draft grades. I found this one on the Packers pick.

Grade: C, for "Combustible."

 

[Dantés]

I'll gladly admit that this will be me. However, I'll also make sure to eat crow and say that I was wrong and Gutekunst/LaFleur nailed it. I still don't like the Packers punting on potentially two players that could help win a title in the next 2-3 years, but if it secures elite QB play for another 10-15 years after Rodgers, it'll be worth it for the Packers.

I can go back and forth.

I said many times before the draft that it is a year too early to hunt for a QB successor because of Rodgers' contract.

But then again, you can't choose the year that a potential franchise QB falls to you. You have to take him when that happens, or pass on what could potentially secure your franchise for the next era.

What I find funny is that the people who are mad about the selection are criticizing the player, as if they know anything about him. I would guess that virtually 0% of the loudest critics of Love on here have actually ever watched him, or would know what they're looking at if they did. They're ticked that it was a QB, so they're going to rip his ability no matter what.

An honest look at the entire profile of the player makes it pretty obvious why Gutekunst was enticed by him as a late round one value. Obviously that doesn't make him right, nor does it guarantee success. But the tools he's found here for LaFleur to work with are exciting.

 

[Dantés]

Hey since this thread is already on fire, can I just ask:

What would it look like, cap wise, to trade Rodgers after this season?

 

[C-Lee]

 

[Mondio]

I said it with a tad bit of facetiousness, but this could light a fire under Rodgers more than we’ve seen in a while. Not that I’m implying his fire was gone, but we could all use a little kick in the pants now and again. This could help the team more than people think.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I said it with a tad bit of facetiousness, but this could light a fire under Rodgers more than we’ve seen in a while. Not that I’m implying his fire was gone, but we could all use a little kick in the pants now and again. This could help the team more than people think.

There are better ways to do that. Like adding good players to the team. They had two NFL caliber skill players added to the team in the past 5 years.

 

[RRyder]

They have two picks today
After today the chance of getting anything other than cannon fodder for training camps is remote.
We need STARTERS for: 1 elite WR, 1 Right Tackle, 1 Inside Linebacker, 1 Outside Linebacker/ Rush end
Even if we hit on both we're still two key positions short

Excluding the ridiculous and asinine assumption that picks past round 3 are cannon fodder.....

We need a quality receiver. Not an elite one

We need a developmental RT. There's a reason Wagner was signed. Jesus.

Yes we need a 2nd starting ILB. But also its not like base gets played a ton

In what world does this team look like it "needs" a starting OLB or Edge player?

They could definitely use some run staffers on the line.

So pretty much in terms of starters you're looking for a WR, possibly a ILB and run stuffer on the line.

Yes there's holes and you can always use depth. But people acting like this team is just littered with holes and is a jv team is just silly

 

[Toad1924]

Cannon fodder after the 3rd round???? You need to take a close look at All-Pro teams and NFL rosters to see where these guys beginnings in pro football started from.

We don't have a 4th. I think it is safe to say a late 5th round pick and a bunch of 6th and 7th round picks will not make a huge difference this upcoming year.

 

[Mondio]

There are better ways to do that. Like adding good players to the team. They had two NFL caliber skill players added to the team in the past 5 years.

And if they get a skill player in the 2nd that performs as well as 1st rounders is that still ok?

 

[RRyder]

Hey since this thread is already on fire, can I just ask:

What would it look like, cap wise, to trade Rodgers after this season?

After this season they'd save roughly 5 million in cap space.

In 2 years they'd save roughly 22 million

If they parted ways after 3 they'd save roughly 25

So pretty much Rodgers has 2 more seasons no matter what.

He'll be here 3 more if he regains a semblance of his old form but if Love looks great in practice this is the point they might decide to move Rodgers if a haul is available

Only way Rodgers plays the final year of his contract here is if he's playing well and Love has been really bad in practice

 

[Patriotplayer90]

And if they get a skill player in the 2nd that performs as well as 1st rounders is that still ok?

Yeah, you're right , we should be half-assing it instead of putting in an effort to improve the roster and win.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bahk seems to be soaking up some Love.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

After this season they'd save roughly 5 million in cap space.

In 2 years they'd save roughly 22 million

If they parted ways after 3 they'd save roughly 25

So pretty much Rodgers has 2 more seasons no matter what.

He'll be here 3 more if he regains a semblance of his old form but if Love looks great in practice they might decide to move Rodgers if haul is available

Only way Rodgers plays the final year of his contract here is if he's playing well and Love has been really bad in practice

I think its more like 3 more seasons, unless $17.2 M is a palatable cap hit at the end of 2021.

I think the other piece of this and the way that you have to put it to people is that the following amounts would immediately hit our cap if Rodgers was cut or traded at some point in time before the contract is up:

Currently, Rodgers has a dead cap hit of $51,148,000

After the 2020 season, that will drop to: $31,556,000

After the 2021 season, that will drop to: $17,204,000

After the 2022 season, that will drop to: $2,852,000

 

[RRyder]

I think the other piece of this and the way that you have to put it to people is that the following amounts would immediately hit our cap if Rodgers was cut or traded at some point in time before the contract is up:

Currently, Rodgers has a dead cap hit of $51,148,000

After the 2020 season, that will drop to: $31,556,000

After the 2021 season, that will drop to: $17,204,000

After the 2022 season, that will drop to: $2,852,000

Of course. I was simply answering the question of cap space gained though

 

[Mondio]

Yeah, you're right , we should be half-assing it instead of putting in an effort to improve the roster and win.

And clearly, with all the moves and signings and what Gute has done in 2 short seasons as GM should lead you to believe he’s half ***’ing it.

if they believe they can get the same quality receiver in the 2nd that was available to them in the first, what’s difference?

 

[XPack]

And clearly, with all the moves and signings and what Gute has done in 2 short seasons as GM should lead you to believe he’s half ***’ing it.

if they believe they can get the same quality receiver in the 2nd that was available to them in the first, what’s difference?

Then they should have traded back rather than waste a pick in Love..who is frankly unnecessary at this time.