2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[BrokenArrow]

Here is why this makes no sense. One of the primary benefits of having a young QB1 is to make a run on their rookie deal. Performance vs pay scale is never as lopsided in the teams favor as it is on a team with a rookie deal QB1. This is why we saw team like Seattle, LA, Baltimore and many others build teams that made deep runs, they could afford to add these pieces without paying their QB.

Fast forward, ideally we get what 1 year of rookie deal without also paying Rodgers and then have to choose to either pay him starter money or let him walk? Putting yourself in a tight spot, you'll almost certainly have to give him a second contract at starter market rates, and hope for the best. If he doesn't pan out at that point you've set your team behind by 7-8 years!

You're assuming Rodgers is going to be here four more years. Remains to be seen. I don't think he has four good years left.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Nope, Love isn't going to win many games at QB early in his career, especially with the receiving group he would be trying to throw to.

Maybe at least he'll look their way when they're open.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Maybe at least he'll look their way when they're open.

Might want to look at his career stats and production compared to any other QB who has ever played.

 

[BrokenArrow]

This is why I don't like the pick. If it's someone like Tua, then I understand it. Rodgers was a potential #1 overall pick. Jordan Love is the 4th-6th best QB in this draft, depending on who you ask

Simms ranked him higher than Tua and he explains in detail exactly why. When was the last time Alabama produced a decent QB? Stabler?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Simms ranked him higher than Tua and he explains in detail exactly why. When was the last time Alabama produced a decent QB? Stabler?

Chris Simms also blasted this pick. He didn't think a team on the upswing with a HOF QB would be idiotic enough to draft him.

 

[Mondio]

the pick, not the player There's a difference

 

[Patriotplayer90]

the pick, not the player There's a difference

It "pissed him off". His appreciation for the player did not offset the stupidity and misuse of the pick.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Might want to look at his career stats and production compared to any other QB who has ever played.

And you might want to look at what he's done over the last 3 years, particularly last year. He is quickly declining and if you can't see it you're not looking. He's a stubborn old GOAT and as such he's never going to submit fully to MLF's offense the way it's intended to be played. MLF placated him last year by playing a compromised version of it where Rodgers retained the ability to change the play at the LOS, which he did way too frequently. Why do you think we led the league in delay penalties? Rodgers would try to change the play with 5 seconds left on the clock! To put it simply, Rodgers is going to have to check his ego and get over his trust issues if he wants to stay here for four more years. Love is the lever to facilitate that. I think the message is get with the program or we'll move on. This is MLF's team, not Rodgers' as much as he thinks it is.

 

[Mondio]

It "pissed him off". His appreciation for the player did not offset the stupidity and misuse of the pick.

I don't care. He's pissed for other reasons. You're telling us he's no good. There's a difference.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

And you might want to look at what he's done over the last 3 years, particularly last year. He is quickly declining and if you can't see it you're not looking. He's a stubborn old GOAT and as such he's never going to submit fully to MLF's offense the way it's intended to be played. MLF placated him last year by playing a compromised version of it where Rodgers retained the ability to change the play at the LOS, which he did way too frequently. Why do you think we led the league in delay penalties? Rodgers would try to change the play with 5 seconds left on the clock! To put it simply, Rodgers is going to have to check his ego and get over his trust issues if he wants to stay here for four more years. Love is the lever to facilitate that. I think the message is get with the program or we'll move on. This is MLF's team, not Rodgers' as much as he thinks it is.

The team has been terrible since 2016, with the exception of last year on defense, and 2015 if you consider they had no receivers and an overweight RB. Every QB struggles on a poor team. Yet we've been to two NFC championship games during that time, both which were blown because of atrocious defense. Face it, he's carried this team.

I hope he's traded and GB sees the garbage franchise that they are without Rodgers.

 

[Dblbogey]

Disagree. He does nothing to help the team unless you think a backup qb is so important that you leave glaring holes all over the roster. Next year, Love will ride the pines while the defense continues to get manhandled in the running game and Rodgers has noone to throw the ball to.

If/when Rodgers gets hurt over the next 2-3 years, it will be nice to have a talented QB step in. The bottom line is if Love turns out to be a good one, then it will have been a very wise pick. If Love bombs, Gute should lose his job.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What would happen on this Forum and around Packer Nation if we heard this tonight:

"With the 62nd pick in the 2020 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select Jacob Eason, QB, Washington"

 

[Dblbogey]

Love is not a bad player... he could be a star, but my disappointment is that we were one game away from the Super Bowl and had some glaring holes that we could have picked someone that would have started to fill those holes.

Queen at ILB
Blacklock at DT
Josh Jones at OT
Mims at WR

Any of those would have made this team have a better chance at getting to the SB than Love does.

One thing we all tend to forget is how unusually healthy we were last year. The talent level of the 53 man roster was not that of a 13-3 team. A couple of injuries would have exposed our weaknesses. If Rodgers had gone down, we had absolutely nothing for a back up. We probably won't be so lucky this year. We need to hit on 3-4 draft picks this year, and I hate that we could have stayed at 30 and gotten a quality starter.

 

[lambeaulambo]

First off, I will be honest...I hated the pick. Hated it considering the present situation. But...and this is where I pause. Been watching his mechanics online. I tell you what - this kid is going to be the real deal. His mechanics are better than AR coming out of college - better. He's got great accuracy from the looks of it but is inconsistent but growing pains. Gotta watch staring his targets down. Physically this kid is an absolute freak of nature. I don't know I'm starting to really get excited about him if he can develop, he has a LOT of potential to be an AR. It's there..raw...but oh its THERE.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

First off, I will be honest...I hated the pick. Hated it considering the present situation. But...and this is where I pause. Been watching his mechanics online. I tell you what - this kid is going to be the real deal. His mechanics are better than AR coming out of college - better. He's got great accuracy from the looks of it but is inconsistent but growing pains. Gotta watch staring his targets down. Physically this kid is an absolute freak of nature. I don't know I'm starting to really get excited about him if he can develop, he has a LOT of potential to be an AR. It's there..raw...but oh its THERE.

Said every fan of a team who drafted a raw QB. Ever.

 

[BrokenArrow]

And if they get a skill player in the 2nd that performs as well as 1st rounders is that still ok?

You mean like Adams, Jordy, Jennings etc?

 

[rmontro]

LaFluer also thought that he could fix Marcus Mariota. He loved him while studying him pre draft in Atlanta and signed with Tennessee for that reason. He's taken on projects that he couldn't complete.

They also noted on First Take that GB has not taken an offensive player with their first round pick since they drafted Rodgers - until now, with Love. I know we've needed defensive help, but it's little wonder the offense has looked so anemic in recent years.

You never know what the future holds, LeFleur could be gone before Love ever becomes the starter. You'd think he'd want to pump up the offense now, especially since he's an offensive minded coach. I don't know who wants to be known as the person who wasted the last years of Aaron Rodgers career. Or maybe Rodgers is more banged up than we know.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Once again, Rodgers deserves part of the blame for the passing game struggling in 2019 but there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that a lack of talent on the receiving corps was the main reason for it.

I fail to see how any perceived lack of talent caused him to overthrow open receivers at an alarming rate. Or how they caused him to forego passing to his checkdowns in search of the big play. Or how they caused him to repeadedly take bad sacks instead of throwing the ball away. He's declining. And it's happening much faster than a lot of fans who don't want to see it will ever admit. MLF and Gute see it, and that's what matters.

 

[BrokenArrow]

They also noted on First Take that GB has not taken an offensive player with their first round pick since they drafted Rodgers - until now, with Love. I know we've needed defensive help, but it's little wonder the offense has looked so anemic in recent years.

You never know what the future holds, LeFleur could be gone before Love ever becomes the starter. You'd think he'd want to pump up the offense now, especially since he's an offensive minded coach. I don't know who wants to be known as the person who wasted the last years of Aaron Rodgers career. Or maybe Rodgers is more banged up than we know.

I think MLF wants a talented guy who he can teach and who will run his offense the way he wants it run. Rodgers wants to be in control of everything around him. That's not going to work when you have a coach trying to install a whole new system. He compromised last year. I don't expect him to do that indefinitely. This pick was probably a signal to AR that he needs to get with the system 100% or be replaced.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Wow....16 pages in less than 24 hours.

After sleeping off my hangover(half Love, half Tequila), I'm thinking Gute is gambling on Rodgers not being here in 5 years. He's never mentioned retirement, but 5 years from now he'll be 42. While I would have hoped we got a QB in 2022, Gute has eliminated any guessing on who's going to replace him when he finally does. And I'm going to go ahead and assume that we're not going to see any picks allocated to QBs for the next 5 years either until Rodgers retires. The only reason to do so would be Love just being sub-par in the preseason and on backup duty for 4 years.

I like Jordan, I just don't like we traded up for him. We needed 3, possibly 4 difference makers out of this draft minimum.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Chris Simms also blasted this pick. He didn't think a team on the upswing with a HOF QB would be idiotic enough to draft him.

That wasn't my point at all. It was the fact that some had him in the top 3.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Wow....16 pages in less than 24 hours.

After sleeping off my hangover(half Love, half Tequila), I'm thinking Gute is gambling on Rodgers not being here in 5 years. He's never mentioned retirement, but 5 years from now he'll be 42. While I would have hoped we got a QB in 2022, Gute has eliminated any guessing on who's going to replace him when he finally does. And I'm going to go ahead and assume that we're not going to see any picks allocated to QBs for the next 5 years either until Rodgers retires. The only reason to do so would be Love just being sub-par in the preseason and on backup duty for 4 years.

I like Jordan, I just don't like we traded up for him. We needed 3, possibly 4 difference makers out of this draft minimum.

There's no way Rodgers has 5 years left in him. Doesn't matter if he's talking about retiring or not. As his skills and body continue to decline he'll either retire before then or the Packers will move on. Either way, I can't imagine any scenario where he is here in 4 years let alone 5.

 

[gopkrs]

First off, I will be honest...I hated the pick. Hated it considering the present situation. But...and this is where I pause. Been watching his mechanics online. I tell you what - this kid is going to be the real deal. His mechanics are better than AR coming out of college - better. He's got great accuracy from the looks of it but is inconsistent but growing pains. Gotta watch staring his targets down. Physically this kid is an absolute freak of nature. I don't know I'm starting to really get excited about him if he can develop, he has a LOT of potential to be an AR. It's there..raw...but oh its THERE.

I really liked his throwing motion. Just talking about his arm.

 

[gopkrs]

I think MLF wants a talented guy who he can teach and who will run his offense the way he wants it run. Rodgers wants to be in control of everything around him. That's not going to work when you have a coach trying to install a whole new system. He compromised last year. I don't expect him to do that indefinitely. This pick was probably a signal to AR that he needs to get with the system 100% or be replaced.

I just think you are forgetting that ARod has already been paid.

 

[rmontro]

And also this, watch the LSU game. Watch it.

Are you talking about the game they lost 42-6? And Love threw for 130 yards with no TDs and three INTs?
And I know they were putting in a new system, but that 20-17 TD to INT record isn't very impressive.