2016 Cut-downs

[Carl]

Cutting Sitton derails the season.
Period. They have no replacement for him. TT should be fired for that move. He just destroyed a promising season.

Big over reaction. Teams don't fall out of contention for losing a guard.

 

[Carl]

Here's the Packers final roster:

QB (3): 12 Aaron Rodgers, 7 Brett Hundley, 6 Joe Callahan
Released: 9 Marquise Williams

RB (4): 27 Eddie Lacy, 44 James Starks, 22 Aaron Ripkowski, 34 Brandon Burks

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Released: 46 Brandon Ross, 40 Alstevis Squirewell

WR (7): 87 Jordy Nelson, 18 Randall Cobb, 17 Davante Adams, 83 Jeff Janis, 88 Ty Montgomery, 84 Jared Abbrederis, 11 Trevor Davis
Released: 81 Geronimo Allison, 16 Herb Waters

TE (3): 89 Jared Cook, 82 Richard Rodgers, 80 Justin Perillo
Released: 49 Casey Pierce

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OL: (8): 70 T.J. Lang, 75 Bryan Bulaga, 73 JC Tretter, 69 David Bakhtiari, 78 Jason Spriggs, 65 Lane Taylor, 67 Don Barclay, 68 Kyle Murphy

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Physically unable to perform: 63 Corey Linsley
Released: 71 Josh Sitton, 62 Lucas Patrick
Injured reserve: 77 Kyle Steuck

DL (5): 76 Mike Daniels, 98 Letroy Guion, 97 Kenny Clark, 94 Dean Lowry, 99 Christian Ringo
Reserve/suspended: 64 Mike Pennel
Released: 96 Brian Price
Injured reserve: 90 Tyler Kuder

LB (9): 52 Clay Matthews, 56 Julius Peppers, 53 Nick Perry, 95 Datone Jones, 91 Jayrone Elliott, 51 Kyler Fackrell, 47 Jake Ryan, 50 Blake Martinez, 48 Joe Thomas
Released: 58 Sam Barrington, 54 Carl Bradford, 93 Reggie Gilbert, 43 Beniquez Brown

CB (6): 37 Sam Shields, 23 Damarious Randall, 24 Quinten Rollins, 36 LaDarius Gunter, 28 Josh Hawkins, 20 Makinton Dorleant
Reserve/suspended: 39 Demetri Goodson
Released: 31 Robertson Daniel, 26 Warren Gatewood

S (6): 42 Morgan Burnett, 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, 33 Micah Hyde, 32 Chris Banjo. 29 Kentrell Brice, 25 Marwin Evans
Released: 35 Jermaine Whitehead

Spec (2): 2 Mason Crosby, 10 Jake Schum
Released: 59 Rick Lovato

I bet Lovato was released to they can put Janis or Davis on the IR and have a chance to bring him back.

Then they either resign Lovato or pick up Goode again.

 

[7thFloorRA]

Who the hell is Makinton Dorleant?

 

[Arthur Squires]

I don't expect the Packers to be interested in signing Marquise Williams to the practice squad.

Hmm... I don't know now that Callahan made the 53 it's possible.

 

[Vrill]

Cutting Sitton derails the season.
Period. They have no replacement for him. TT should be fired for that move. He just destroyed a promising season.

The biggest hyperbole post I have seen yet.

Derailed the season? roflmao.

Look, I'm not happy either, however, I am not going to say our season is done because we cut a starting guard. That is asinine.

 

[Sky King]

Topics to consider:

1. How many practices has Sitton missed during the past two seasons?
2. How well did Sitton fill-in at LT when called upon and how did his performance compare vs. Tretter's performance handling the same assignment?
3. Sitton said he did not want surgery performed on his back. Did the Packers medical staff recommend otherwise?
4. Did we miss a sure sign that could be imminent when Taylor got extended?

I'm curious how much any of the above factored into the decision that was made. I'm guessing like the rest of you and trying my best to understand why this happened? Every year there is a surprise cut or two at the end of training camp but this one seemed to come totally out of the blue. Then again, maybe not.

 

[Arthur Squires]

Big over reaction. Teams don't fall out of contention for losing a guard.

It's not clear who plays RG now that Sitton is gone. Which now worries most fans here in my opinion because we need to keep Rodgers upright and healthy! Who steps in for IronMan Sitton? Lane Taylor? Thats not comforting at all. I see this as a sign to gather the money to resign Bak early. That's the only reason that makes sense. Its alot easier to find a guard than it is LeftTackle.

 

[sjb12681]

While I see the Sitton move as interesting, Im not overly concerned with the changes made today. It will be interesting to see with a week before gameday to see who we bring in from these final roster cuts. There is obviously a gameplan here, as we rarely see kneejerk moves by TT.

I saw another poster mention TT playing roster defense. By keeping the guys he wanted and letting teams scramble to fill their roster with some of these guys other teams have cut, he may be able to sneak a Callahan onto the PS, as well as IR a Janis, etc and bring back some of the more head scratching cuts like Long Snapper today, and maybe a depth DT.

I will be more worried come Wed if we dont have a long snapper than I am about a guard, but thats just me. The way our ST has been the last few seasons, this is where I can see us actually giving up points if we just "wing it" with the snapper.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm done with it. The last thing I'll say is it was a total fail all the way around. TT had all the leverage as Sitton was under contract in a contract year and TT got Zippo.

And people can say he was just a Guard but the honest truth is he was a key cog in the wheel(a pro bowler) and even if a youngster steps in does adequate the overall depth has been affected.

It's like taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards.

 

[Poppa San]

LS Rick Lovato released as well. That means the Packers don't have a long snapper on the roster.

IIRC, Perillo was a long snapper in college. I presume one of the OL has the ability for in game injuries.

I bet Lovato was released to they can put Janis or Davis on the IR and have a chance to bring him back.
Then they either resign Lovato or pick up Goode again.

I hadn't thought of this. But Goode is a FA and was out with an ACL. He may not be ready to return and he is definitely not in football shape.

 

[Poppa San]

Who the hell is Makinton Dorleant?

This season's designated game day inactive along with Janis, Callahan, Davis, Murphy, Brice, and Evans. At least until the injuries start.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Big over reaction. Teams don't fall out of contention for losing a guard.

Teams fall out of contention losing an all pro. When Collins went down the season was derailed. When Jordy went down the season was derailed. The Packers do not have a replacement. Why all of a sudden is a guard not critical? When the Packers get stoned on third and short the TT apologists will come up with more stupid excuses. When Taylor gives up a critical sack to lose a game and home field advantage it will be clear the move is insane.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I'm done with it. The last thing I'll say is it was a total fail all the way around. TT had all the leverage as Sitton was under contract in a contract year and TT got Zippo.

And people can say he was just a Guard but the honest truth is he was a key cog in the wheel(a pro bowler) and even if a youngster steps in does adequate the overall depth has been affected.

It's like taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards.

No its like taking 3 steps backward and no steps forward. The move makes no sense. TT should be fired he derailed the season. He got nothing for an all pro guard.

 

[Sanguine camper]

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Big over reaction. Teams don't fall out of contention for losing a guard.

That's a ridiculous statement. Teams fall out of contention losing an all pro all the time. It happened to the Packers in 2011 and 2015.

 

[brandon2348]

Teams fall out of contention losing an all pro. When Collins went down the season was derailed. When Jordy went down the season was derailed. The Packers do not have a replacement. Why all of a sudden is a guard not critical? When the Packers get stoned on third and short the TT apologists will come up with more stupid excuses. When Taylor gives up a critical sack to lose a game and home field advantage it will be clear the move is insane.

Great points and Lane Taylor and co got there ***** handed to them by that "KC backup front seven". I was there and saw it with my own eyes.

 

[RRyder]

Teams fall out of contention losing an all pro. When Collins went down the season was derailed. When Jordy went down the season was derailed. The Packers do not have a replacement. Why all of a sudden is a guard not critical? When the Packers get stoned on third and short the TT apologists will come up with more stupid excuses. When Taylor gives up a critical sack to lose a game and home field advantage it will be clear the move is insane.

1st. Collins and Jordy were and are infinitely more impactfull players then Sitton. This isn't really even open for debate. No matter how you slice it a All Pro Guard is even in the same stratasphere as an All Pro Saftey or WR.

2. Why is Guard suddenly not critical? It's not sudden. Guard has never been critical. In fact, on the offensive line, the two Guard spots rank 4 and 5 respectively in terms of importance. I'll just list all the positions more important then RG(as that's the position that needs to be filled if they move Lang to LG.)

QB,WR, TE, LT, RT, C, LG, DE, NT/DT, ILB, OLB, CB, FS, SS, AND K. (So really the only positions you can argue Guard being more important then is FB and Punter with Punter being debatable)

None of that is me saying losing Sitton might not hurt in certain situations though. It very well might. He was a good player and losing good players always has an impact. But comparing Sitton and the impact he brought at the Guard spot not being on this roster to Collins and Jordy is asinine.

Really with the question mark being at RG the bigger question isn't who's in the starting lineup, as a weak point at RG should be the easiest to hide out of any position on the team, but rather whos BACKING UP the Guard spots right now. As of today that player is Barclay... ughhh

 

[brandon2348]

1st. Collins and Jordy were and are infinitely more impactfull players then Sitton. This isn't really even open for debate. No matter how you slice it a All Pro Guard is even in the same stratasphere as an All Pro Saftey or WR.

2. Why is Guard suddenly not critical? It's not sudden. Guard has never been critical. In fact, on the offensive line, the two Guard spots rank 4 and 5 respectively in terms of importance. I'll just list all the positions more important then RG(as that's the position that needs to be filled if they move Lang to LG.)

QB,WR, TE, LT, RT, C, LG, DE, NT/DT, ILB, OLB, CB, FS, SS, AND K. (So really the only positions you can argue Guard being more important then is FB and Punter with Punter being debatable)

None of that is me saying losing Sitton might not hurt in certain situations though. It very well might. He was a good player and losing good players always has an impact. But comparing Sitton and the impact he brought at the Guard spot not being on this roster to Collins and Jordy is asinine.

Really with the question mark being at RG the bigger question isn't who's in the starting lineup, as a weak point at RG should be the easiest to hide out of any position on the team, but rather whos BACKING UP the Guard spots right now. As of today that player is Barclay... ughhh

I agree with all of this but in the Packers case Sitton was hiding the deficiencies there have been at Center and run blocking deficiency from our LT. This is a huge loss and I really hope I am wrong.

Once again TT got nothing. Won't even get a comp pick

 

[Sanguine camper]

1st. Collins and Jordy were and are infinitely more impactfull players then Sitton. This isn't really even open for debate. No matter how you slice it a All Pro Guard is even in the same stratasphere as an All Pro Saftey or WR.

2. Why is Guard suddenly not critical? It's not sudden. Guard has never been critical. In fact, on the offensive line, the two Guard spots rank 4 and 5 respectively in terms of importance. I'll just list all the positions more important then RG(as that's the position that needs to be filled if they move Lang to LG.)

QB,WR, TE, LT, RT, C, LG, DE, NT/DT, ILB, OLB, CB, FS, SS, AND K. (So really the only positions you can argue Guard being more important then is FB and Punter with Punter being debatable)

None of that is me saying losing Sitton might not hurt in certain situations though. It very well might. He was a good player and losing good players always has an impact. But comparing Sitton and the impact he brought at the Guard spot not being on this roster to Collins and Jordy is asinine.

Really with the question mark being at RG the bigger question isn't who's in the starting lineup, as a weak point at RG should be the easiest to hide out of any position on the team, but rather whos BACKING UP the Guard spots right now. As of today that player is Barclay... ughhh

When Rodgers spends time on his back you will realize that cutting an all pro guard and replacing him with garbage is asinine. The Packers don't have a replacement. Taylor is well below average and Barkley is mr. Ole.

 

[Poppa San]

When the Packers get stoned on third and short the TT apologists will come up with more stupid excuses.

From the bleachers and without stats, it seems they usually get stoned on 3rd and short. That is why they go to the air.

 

[RRyder]

I agree with all of this but in the Packers case Sitton was hiding the deficiencies there have been at Center and run blocking deficiency from our LT. This is a huge loss and I really hope I am wrong.

Once again TT got nothing. Won't even get a comp pick

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't have done it either and am suprised. Where we differ is on just how HUGE of a loss a RG can be

 

[7thFloorRA]

I like Josh and will miss him and his hair but they are not LOSING him. He was under contract and they decided they did not want him around anymore. That is not losing someone.

 

[RRyder]

When Rodgers spends time on his back you will realize that cutting an all pro guard and replacing him with garbage is asinine. The Packers don't have a replacement. Taylor is well below average and Barkley is mr. Ole.

So Taylor is just strait garbage now? Impressive when you even call him simply below average...... And they say message boards aren't binary.

I even mentioned that yes the Oline will take a step back from if we would've kept him. Just that people acting like losing a Guard will have Rodgers running for his life are over selling it to the extreme

But yep. It's still a Guard. Doom n gloom prognosticators need to remember that and not think they have the same level of impact that an All Pro Saftey and WR have. Which is what you implied.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Odd move for sure. Unfortunately, whatever the reason, you'll never get a straight answer from Packers management. My guess would just be that they feel he is slipping, his health won't hold up and perhaps when Linsley comes back, they would swing Tretter to guard and have to bench Sitton. Maybe they didn't want that drama in week 7 or 8.

As for calls of season over and fire TT, a little over the top on the emotion factor there.

 

[Carl]

Teams fall out of contention losing an all pro. When Collins went down the season was derailed. When Jordy went down the season was derailed. The Packers do not have a replacement. Why all of a sudden is a guard not critical? When the Packers get stoned on third and short the TT apologists will come up with more stupid excuses. When Taylor gives up a critical sack to lose a game and home field advantage it will be clear the move is insane.

The 2011 season was not derailed due to missing Collins. They were 15-1 and clearly good enough to win it all before blowing it in the playoffs. The offense was worse than the defense in that game, by the way, and the pass defense was bad before Collins went down.

If TT and staff thought Sitton was so important letting him go would cost the season, he'd still be around.

 

[Carl]

I agree with all of this but in the Packers case Sitton was hiding the deficiencies there have been at Center and run blocking deficiency from our LT. This is a huge loss and I really hope I am wrong.

Once again TT got nothing. Won't even get a comp pick

There hasn't been deficiency at center for years.