Wide Receiver Options

[Pkrjones]

Hard pass on this joker. His talent does not exceed his toxicity.

Robbie Anderson traded to AZ for a '24 6th Rnd & 2025 7th. AZ will get back Hopkins (suspension) but lost Marquise Brown to a foot injury, yesterday.

 

[milani]

I meant in the first half.

And really even then the Jets got that 3 because of a ridiculous, unforced fumble around our 30.

 

[Spanky]

Robbie Anderson traded to AZ for a '24 6th Rnd & 2025 7th. AZ will get back Hopkins (suspension) but lost Marquise Brown to a foot injury, yesterday.

Good. Steve Keim can collect all the turds he wants. He's got a locker room full of them now--led by the Mayor of Munchkinland. Talk about a dysfunctional culture.

 

[gopkrs]

Let's also remember that the Chiefs have the best TE in the league so I don't agree with just saying "doing very well with whatever he's got" like he's throwing to a bad group of receivers.

I meant the opposite and so MVS will see fewer targets.

 

[gopkrs]

If we want a deep threat; why not get Desean Jackson. And he wants to play here. Might be long in the tooth but still can get deep.

 

[longtimefan]

Poster wants obj! 2 acl on same knee and at least one other season ending surgery..foot?

Same person on Watkins..he sucks always injured

 

[longtimefan]

If we want a deep threat; why not get Desean Jackson. And he wants to play here. Might be long in the tooth but still can get deep.

Baltimore has him in

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Same goes for Nathaniel Hackett... apparently he advised & guided MLF a lot more than I gave him credit for in running this offense.

Taking a look at the Broncos' offense I'm not sure Hackett is that great of a coach after all.

I've watched some KC this year and one game (probably MVS's best), he looked good. Better than he did in GB. You aren't going to get catches if the ball is not thrown to you. You stat guys want to say it's because he is not getting open but not only do we not know that but also Mahomes is doing very well with whatever he is doing. It's a team sport. I'm not looking for a savior. Just contributors and them having chances to contribute. Personally, I think we have those players. But they are not getting chances. Of course the leaky O line doesn't help.

I'm not suggesting MVS is a terrible player. He will have some good games in KC just like he did with the Packers and completely disappear in others as he did against the Bills.

While the Packers would most likely benefit from having him on the roster this season my point is that he isn't worth $10 million a year.

To be fair he has underplayed his contract if you are comparing that figure to what guys are producing that signed for that amount just years ago....contracts for WR we have seen BALLOON to a crazy level. That figure will quickly be a middle of the road veteran WR2/WR3 type pay.

There are currently 37 wide receivers making at least $10 million a season. MVS is ranked 48th in receptions, 45th in receiving yards and doesn't have a touchdown so far (85 WRs have at least one). Taking a look at those numbers it seems that he's slightly overpaid compared to his peers but not by much.

 

[tynimiller]

There are currently 37 wide receivers making at least $10 million a season. MVS is ranked 48th in receptions, 45th in receiving yards and doesn't have a touchdown so far (85 WRs have at least one). Taking a look at those numbers it seems that he's slightly overpaid compared to his peers but not by much.

Again though, he is in the last wave of signings...give it one season even more and it will be more as we'd imagine.

 

[Pkrjones]

Taking a look at the Broncos' offense I'm not sure Hackett is that great of a coach after all.

It's possible Hackett, Stenavich & Getsy have risen to their level of incompetence and may have been perfect in their roles with GB & are in over their heads now? Whatever their offensive input on game-planning & adjustments just isn't there right now.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Two reasonable options Gute could try and trade for if he actually cared about the receiving room:

Kendrick Bourne: $3.5m salary this season and $4.75m next season, great YAC guy which is something the Packers desperately need with how popular two-high shell defenses have become in the NFL (he was PFF's pre-season pick for the best contract on the Patriots). The new offensive coaching staff in New England doesn't run the same scheme as last season and he's seen his playing time fall off quite a bit. Would be a huge upside, inexpensive trade candidate that Gute won't make because he needs next year's 3rd pick for a replacement FB to groom when Deguara is let go after 2023.

Austin Hooper: Despite what most think, he's only 27 but his biggest draw is that he only makes about $1m this season so he'd be a cheap option to allow the offense to run more multiple TE sets if they wanted to (Tonyan is the only TE that has run more than 45 passing routes this season so the multiple TE sets they currently run are decidedly one dimensional). Again, he's no panacea, but he only costs $1.25m so I figure, why the heck not?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Taking a look at the Broncos' offense I'm not sure Hackett is that great of a coach after all.

I feel like people aren't taking the appropriate lesson from what they've literally seen from Aaron Rodgers the past three seasons. New coach, poor first season. Second year and onward, TERRIFIC performance. Wilson is having the first year coach downturn. He'll be better next season and Hackett will have (hopefully) learned clock management by next year.

 

[tynimiller]

Two reasonable options Gute could try and trade for if he actually cared about the receiving room:

Kendrick Bourne: $3.5m salary this season and $4.75m next season, great YAC guy which is something the Packers desperately need with how popular two-high shell defenses have become in the NFL (he was PFF's pre-season pick for the best contract on the Patriots). The new offensive coaching staff in New England doesn't run the same scheme as last season and he's seen his playing time fall off quite a bit. Would be a huge upside, inexpensive trade candidate that Gute won't make because he needs next year's 3rd pick for a replacement FB to groom when Deguara is let go after 2023.

Austin Hooper: Despite what most think, he's only 27 but his biggest draw is that he only makes about $1m this season so he'd be a cheap option to allow the offense to run more multiple TE sets if they wanted to (Tonyan is the only TE that has run more than 45 passing routes this season so the multiple TE sets they currently run are decidedly one dimensional). Again, he's no panacea, but he only costs $1.25m so I figure, why the heck not?

I don't envision a world where the Patriots start a sell off though?

Also I think Deguara actually is the perfect #3 TE fit now and future. He hasn't played into big money, but has delivered when in. Don't be shocked and I think it would be smart to keep him around on a reasonable contract.

 

[PackerDNA]

2 weeks until the trade deadline. They better make a move and I mean a big one. Go big and go long or toss away another season and start the rebuild.

 

[tynimiller]

2 weeks until the trade deadline. They better make a move and I mean a big one. Go big and go long or toss away another season and start the rebuild.

As much as many want a WR, I say if we move on a offensive player it actually is a plug starter at RT or a starting TE out the gate level.

Otherwise I still believe a OLB is a big need as we are critically thin on productive players there....this however could be a low grade cut type player situation as we've had luck before attempting to do.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I don't envision a world where the Patriots start a sell off though?

Also I think Deguara actually is the perfect #3 TE fit now and future. He hasn't played into big money, but has delivered when in. Don't be shocked and I think it would be smart to keep him around on a reasonable contract.

Rumours I've read indicate the Bourne is 4th on the depth chart at receiver and the offensive coaching staff aren't as high on him as the previous regime was.

As for Deguara, I just don't envision much terrific TE play from a guy who is 6'2", 238 lbs and not especially fast. Yes, he's listed as a TE but he's not great run blocker, not a great pass blocker, and his receiving will always be limited by his size.

 

[tynimiller]

Rumours I've read indicate the Bourne is 4th on the depth chart at receiver and the offensive coaching staff aren't as high on him as the previous regime was.

As for Deguara, I just don't envision much terrific TE play from a guy who is 6'2", 238 lbs and not especially fast. Yes, he's listed as a TE but he's not great run blocker, not a great pass blocker, and his receiving will always be limited by his size.

Per snap out there his production is awesome.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Per snap out there his production is awesome.

There's a reason he's not out there very often though; 64 snaps on the season isn't exactly the coaches screaming "we have confidence in this guy".

 

[tynimiller]

There's a reason he's not out there very often though; 64 snaps on the season isn't exactly the coaches screaming "we have confidence in this guy".

Of course, because having Dillon and Jones out there at the same time is the preference and we don't run three TE sets a ton. Deguara snap counts were expected to drop when the decision to get Jones and Dillon out there together more was apparent.

 

[tynimiller]

It's possible Hackett, Stenavich & Getsy have risen to their level of incompetence and may have been perfect in their roles with GB & are in over their heads now? Whatever their offensive input on game-planning & adjustments just isn't there right now.

Honestly this is something every single one of my coaching friends tell me is the hardest thing to know or predict - what type of elevation is appropriate for their staff....get this wrong and it can snowball a staff and performances can suffer...get it right and at times the biggest loss is plugged quickly.

 

[Krabs]

I would have been pretty thrilled with the Robbie Anderson signing. I get he threw a fit last game, but I don't think he has a history of doing that. Heck, Adams just shoved a photographer and we know that is not his normal demeanor. That ship has sailed now.

I'm not sure what is going on with Will Fuller. Maybe he is just washed and his PED violation is too much of a stain to sign him. Maybe he has just given up. I see him as an available free agent though. Looks like TY Hilton is still out there. I know he did mention retirement after the season. Not sure if that actually happened. As mentioned, DeSean Jackson is still out there. Older yes, but still might be able to stretch the field. Not to worry though everyone. They did sign Ty Fryfogle.

I'd say kick the tires on Fuller and Jackson.

 

[OldSchool101]

Packers' Sammy Watkins: Takes part in on-field running

Packers' Sammy Watkins: Takes part in on-field running

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Really hoping he’s able to practice this week.

We might need a possession receiver right now (Cobb ankle).
I’d seriously consider using Doubs on more deep routes, he looks pretty fast in pads. He’s also got good eye tracking and good hands. He just needs a couple 25+ catches and suddenly Defenses have to respect that.

 

[tynimiller]

Packers' Sammy Watkins: Takes part in on-field running

Packers' Sammy Watkins: Takes part in on-field running

www.cbssports.com

Really hoping he’s able to practice this week.

We might need a possession receiver right now (Cobb ankle).
I’d seriously consider using Doubs on more deep routes, he looks pretty fast in pads. He’s also got good eye tracking and good hands. He just needs a couple 25+ catches and suddenly Defenses have to respect that.

Rodgers had him on deep balls and he's missed him...

 

[gopkrs]

It's possible Hackett, Stenavich & Getsy have risen to their level of incompetence and may have been perfect in their roles with GB & are in over their heads now? Whatever their offensive input on game-planning & adjustments just isn't there right now.

I was just thinking that about Stenovich. And except for the playoffs; he did a great job on the O line.

 

[OldSchool101]

Rodgers had him on deep balls and he's missed him...

Right. I still think some of that was a combo of pass pressure and his thumb distraction.
Id Keep trying. It’s early and
Timing takes time.
He’s the best option we have at the deep ball (were missing this aspect all together) and it only take a couple times and opponents begin to respect it again