What do you REALLY think Rodgers would garner in a trade?

[Pugger]

As long as THEY think so and are willing to be the top bidder for Rodgers, who's to question their logic?

Many do think that the Jets have a very good defense and are really just a very good QB away from being a top team. That said, all it takes are a few injuries and those plans get derailed fast.

Another question could be does Rodgers believe the Jets are a QB away? I know he doesn't have a no trade clause in his contract but if Gute and company are ready to go forward with Love I strongly believe the Packers will try to accommodate Rodgers and trade him to a team of his liking.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you don't think that was a factor and appeasing him also to some degree - that actually surprises me.

NFL teams need to pay a player based on his projected performance in the future. There's absolutely no room to offer him more money as a thank you for past performances though.

So I am confused. You don't trust what the media puts out or "inside sources" and now you are saying that NFL Executives shouldn't pay any attention to what Rodgers actually says either?

You're absolutely right that you're confused. Once again, the team should pay attention to what Rodgers says. Most of the stuff he actually mentions in front of a microphone is of absolutely no importance to them.

So what do you rely on for information?

Facts and performance on the field.

That said, we’re talking about a few dozen offseason practices and such, I don’t think it would’ve killed Rodgers he’s plenty fit in comparison with the leagues younger QB’s.

I have mentioned in the past that I definitely would have preferred Rodgers to show up for OTAs. But other than a lot of posters around here I don't believe it was a big deal he didn't.

I see what your saying but you missed the point. You can’t make a player not retire. He’s got enough $$ he could walk away after 1 season and it wouldn’t even phase him financially. It’s a real concern. Although it’s only going to slightly affect his demand and the offset would be a contract that relieves the team of contractual suicide if he suddenly retired

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that Rodgers or any other QB for that matter might end up retiring at the age of 40. It's true that his age will negatively effect his trade value him not having decided by now to play next season hasn't.

As for being a “huge factor”?
The Packers were 4 points from making the playoffs and you can try to convince me that preparation doesn’t matter, but I know better.

I'm sorry but I'm absolutely convinced Rodgers having showed up for OTAs would have made any difference vs. the Lions. Dillon blocking one of the pass rushers on the fourth quarter interception might have though.

Another question could be does Rodgers believe the Jets are a QB away? I know he doesn't have a no trade clause in his contract but if Gute and company are ready to go forward with Love I strongly believe the Packers will try to accommodate Rodgers and trade him to a team of his liking.

While Rodgers doesn't have a no trade clause he could threaten to retire if the Packers want to trade him to a team he doesn't want to play for.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You're absolutely right that you're confused. Once again, the team should pay attention to what Rodgers says. Most of the stuff he actually mentions in front of a microphone is of absolutely no importance to them.

You wonder why I am confused? This is what I hear from you:

NFL executives, who are effected by what Rodgers says on the Pat McAfee show, should be out of a job on short notice.

Once again, the team should pay attention to what Rodgers says.

Most of the stuff he actually mentions in front of a microphone is of absolutely no importance to them.

So explain to me, when should people start listening to Rodgers and when shouldn't they?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Do you honestly believe that the Packers would accept a lesser offer because of Rodgers spending four days in a dark room? That's ludicrous.

Here is what I said:

Bottom line, teams will use anything they can in negotiations. Why wouldn't they, if it gets them a lower price? So will all these things that we talk about be discussed in trade parameters? Probably, will they have a negative effect for the Packers? That is any ones guess.

I never said anything about the Packers excepting a "lesser offer because of Rodgers spending four days in a dark room."

What I did say is that all of these perceived "negatives" might be reflected in a team(s) offer. Which has nothing to do with what you are implying and the Packers saying "sorry, but your offer is too low because your perception of Rodgers is all wrong, we reject your offer."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Facts and performance on the field.

Ah I see, so facts and performance, as you see them being called such?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Another question could be does Rodgers believe the Jets are a QB away? I know he doesn't have a no trade clause in his contract but if Gute and company are ready to go forward with Love I strongly believe the Packers will try to accommodate Rodgers and trade him to a team of his liking.

Rodgers made it crystal clear that he won't take part in a rebuild, not sure if he meant for the Packers or any other team. As Captain pointed out, he can threaten to retire if he doesn't like the trade. No team is going to risk trading for him, if he has said he wouldn't play for them, so in effect, he has a no trade clause.

IF after his darkness retreat, he decides that he wants to play another season, then the decision of who that team will be, the Packers or someone else. If they mutually decide that it will be for another team, if the Packers don't already have a list, they would want a list of teams that he would agree to play for. Then they would need to get busy putting him up for sale. Pieces are already moving in the NFL, trades, cuts, resigns and contract renegotiations are being discussed, so the sooner the light shines on Rodgers, the better for the Packer organization.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've got news for you, if Rodgers doesn't want to tell the whole world when he's starting his retreat it's his right to do so. Just because you're supporting the team he plays for doesn't give you the right to know everything about his private life. The same is true for everyone working in the media as well. I get that they don't like it and make up for it by spinning everything he says in a negative way but I couldn't care less for it.

Sorry, but when Rodgers PUBLICALLY talks about his retreat and that his decision will be made after the retreat, of course fans, the Packers and the media become more interested. If you don't think his decision of if he is playing or not and if it is for the Packers, is of interest, I see your point.

You don't see it, but Rodgers measures and calculates everything he says. He loves to play mind games with people and being squarely under the spot light. All the while, pretending he doesn't care what others think of him and that his life is private and only those within his circle know the facts.

 

[longtimefan]

It’s coming

 

[gatorpack]

Raiders?

 

[OldSchool101]

It’s coming

Either way retiring or not. We can be very competitive by 2025 at the latest.

Obviously getting a plethora of draft picks would leave a better taste on my Packer pallet. If we land a trade, I seriously think GB could package 2 first rounders next year and get a top 2 choice at QB. This really wouldn’t even detract much from this years draft other than picking 2X in the top 20 etc (at worst)

That gives us two paths. Jordan rising or drafting a top 5 overall selection and a new era in Packer land.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It’s coming

Especially if McGinn’s report is accurate, as reported by Florio and just about everyone else today. Lot's of "stuff" loaded up by McGinn for sure.

Report: Packers are "disgusted with" Aaron Rodgers, they're "done with him"

When Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers becomes the Prince of (Four Days of) Darkness, there's apparently one less decision for him to make.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/nfl-news-and-rumors/full-context-of-the-report-that-green-bay-is-disgusted-with-aaron-rodgers

 

[tynimiller]

I am also getting the feeling IF Rodgers is traded folks are going to be very mad at the return. It won't be Favre bad...but I'm hearing only three teams truthfully are in on interest right now and only two it seems were confirmed (Jets and Raiders)...but to what degree that means is anyone's guess. If Carr goes to the Jets Rodgers value goes down even further....every reasonable team option gone his value goes down.

Don't be shocked if it turns into two or three day 2 picks + some change and not a single first is included.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I am also getting the feeling IF Rodgers is traded folks are going to be very mad at the return. It won't be Favre bad...but I'm hearing only three teams truthfully are in on interest right now and only two it seems were confirmed (Jets and Raiders)...but to what degree that means is anyone's guess. If Carr goes to the Jets Rodgers value goes down even further....every reasonable team option gone his value goes down.

Don't be shocked if it turns into two or three day 2 picks + some change and not a single first is included.

Agreed. I realize McGinn and Dunne aren't necessarily Rodgers fans, but if the Packers are done with him due to the things they point out, his trade value will drop like a turkey thrown out of a helicopter at Thanksgiving.

 

[Mondio]

The haul for a 40 year old QB with maybe a season or 2 left was never going to be that high.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You wonder why I am confused? This is what I hear from you:
So explain to me, when should people start listening to Rodgers and when shouldn't they?

First of all, nice job of taking my quotes completly out of context to make it look like I contradict myself.

I will give it a final try to explain it to you.

The Packers should follow what Rodgers or any other player, member of the coaching staff or front office for that matter says in the media.

But, with them (hopefully) being capable of putting those interviews into the right perspective I guarantee close to everything he says on the Pat McAfee show is of absolutely no importance to any of them.

Unfortunately a lot of fans completely lack the ability to deal with it the same way.

I never said anything about the Packers excepting a "lesser offer because of Rodgers spending four days in a dark room."

What I did say is that all of these perceived "negatives" might be reflected in a team(s) offer.

I completely disagree that Rodgers spending four days in a dark room is effecting his trade value in a negative way.

Ah I see, so facts and performance, as you see them being called such?

I will try to explain that as well as it seems you're confused once again.

If the Packers decide to trade Rodgers I solely care about what the team actually gets in return. Hence, the facts. I don't put any stock into what those self-proclaimed insiders want me to make believe in advance of it happening.

Regarding performance on the field. I don't give a damn about anyone suggesting Love is ready to take over as the starter as long as he proves it on the field.

If they mutually decide that it will be for another team, if the Packers don't already have a list, they would want a list of teams that he would agree to play for. Then they would need to get busy putting him up for sale. Pieces are already moving in the NFL, trades, cuts, resigns and contract renegotiations are being discussed, so the sooner the light shines on Rodgers, the better for the Packer organization.

You mistakenly believe the Packers are standing pat while they wait for Rodgers to announce his decision.

If the Packers intend on trading Rodgers this offseason I guarantee that they have already had discussions with possible suitors.

Sorry, but when Rodgers PUBLICALLY talks about his retreat and that his decision will be made after the retreat, of course fans, the Packers and the media become more interested.
If you don't think his decision of if he is playing or not and if it is for the Packers, is of interest, I see your point.

Of course Rodgers decision on if he wants to play for another season for the Packers or another team or plans on retiring is of utmost importance to the team.

How he comes up with it isn't any of their and especially not your business at all though.

Especially if McGinn’s report is accurate, as reported by Florio and just about everyone else today. Lot's of "stuff" loaded up by McGinn for sure.

Report: Packers are "disgusted with" Aaron Rodgers, they're "done with him"

When Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers becomes the Prince of (Four Days of) Darkness, there's apparently one less decision for him to make.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/nfl-news-and-rumors/full-context-of-the-report-that-green-bay-is-disgusted-with-aaron-rodgers

Agreed. I realize McGinn and Dunne aren't necessarily Rodgers fans, but if the Packers are done with him due to the things they point out, his trade value will drop like a turkey thrown out of a helicopter at Thanksgiving.

Boy oh boy, one of the articles even mentioned that McGinn said that the Packers were done with Rodgers three years ago.

It's absolutely stunning that you still consider him to be a credible source after the way the situation with Rodgers worked out ever since.

Considering Florio and Dunne are the other ones spreading that BS nobody should even take notice of that garbage.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

First of all, nice job of taking my quotes completly out of context to make it look like I contradict myself.

Actually, you do contradict yourself. At times you state that the Packers organization shouldn't bother listening to what is being said about Rodgers and only listen to what Rodgers himself says. Then you go on to say that even what Rodgers himself says publicly, should be of little importance to the Packers.

Boy oh boy, one of the articles even mentioned that McGinn said that the Packers were done with Rodgers three years ago.

It's absolutely stunning that you still consider him to be a credible source after the way the situation with Rodgers worked out ever since.

Considering Florio and Dunne are the other ones spreading that BS nobody should even take notice of that garbage.

Do you think that the rest of us take what the media says as "The gospel truth"? Most of us don't, but we like to discuss it and its merits or lack thereof. I realize you don't pay much attention to the media, which is cool. However, why do you feel the need to jump into a discussion about something the media said? IF all you are doing is reminding us that you don't believe what the media says, trust me, we know.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I completely disagree that Rodgers spending four days in a dark room is effecting his trade value in a negative way.

Once again, I will repeat what I said:

I never said anything about the Packers excepting a "lesser offer because of Rodgers spending four days in a dark room."

What I did say is that all of these perceived "negatives" might be reflected in a team(s) offer. Which has nothing to do with what you are implying and the Packers saying "sorry, but your offer is too low because your perception of Rodgers is all wrong, we reject your offer."

 

[AKCheese]

I am also getting the feeling IF Rodgers is traded folks are going to be very mad at the return. It won't be Favre bad...but I'm hearing only three teams truthfully are in on interest right now and only two it seems were confirmed (Jets and Raiders)...but to what degree that means is anyone's guess. If Carr goes to the Jets Rodgers value goes down even further....every reasonable team option gone his value goes down.

Don't be shocked if it turns into two or three day 2 picks + some change and not a single first is included.

I said this over a month ago. Green Bag blew it not unloading him LAST year (which I said LAST year). People have seen the Wilson debacle and his own subpar performance added to his age make the haul some people are expecting unrealistic. I just can’t believe Green Bay screwed themselves so badly re: the cap.

 

[Pugger]

I have a difficult time imagining McGinn a reliable source seeing he retired in 2017. Until we hear from Rodgers and the Packers I'm not going to put much stock into all of these breathless reports coming out lately.

 

[tynimiller]

I have a difficult time imagining McGinn a reliable source seeing he retired in 2017. Until we hear from Rodgers and the Packers I'm not going to put much stock into all of these breathless reports coming out lately.

I’ll say I’d provide less than one percent weight to his opinion for sure.

 

[OldSchool101]

The only chance I see of not getting at minimum 1 FIRST rounder and several other Day2-3 selections is if that trade partner becomes Rodgers only agreeable option of available suitors.

Meaning IF there are at least TWO suitors that Rodgers will agree to? Somebodies parting with a FIRST rounder AND possibly a couple of firsts or equivalent.

There’s 1 outlier. IF it’s the Raiders and they part with a #7 overall?
That might be all they need along with maybe a Day 3 or equivalent (switching a couple Rounds)
Packers 4th for trade partner 3rd
Packers 7th for trade partners 4th etc. That #7 overall Is liquidation gold.

 

[OldSchool101]

If GB and Rodgers goes a trade route.

I see about 5-6 teams in the serious running for a QB. I don’t see Aaron playing for the Texans and their draft positioning has them selecting a rookie QB.
I see another 1-2 eliminated by Aaron as “I won’t go there”
That leaves 2-3 remaining options. Las Vegas, Jets and Saints are in my top list. There’s some others that could pop up such as Miami or Indi but there’s 1-2 that might change directions also.

I think 3 teams will make offers.
I think 2 of them will pony up multiple selections including their 2023 first rounder at a minimum.

 

[Spanky]

Bob McGinn jumped the shark a long, long time ago.

Why would a true Packer front office insider want this information out there if it was true? It damages their bargaining position in a trade. If someone truly said this to McGinn, whether the sentiment is true or not, that person should be fired.

But I don't think the info is accurate. I think McGinn is, as usual with respect to AR, full of excrement.

 

[OldSchool101]

Another very possible “trade scenario” would be acquiring a substantial player in trade.
It’s about the only way we’d entertain only Day 2 or 3 selections.

The only exceptions I can think of are maybe the Raiders giving us their 39,71,110 etc.. and then swapping their #7 for our #15 (equivalent of picking up an additional 2nd rounder)

 

[tynimiller]

The only chance I see of not getting at minimum 1 FIRST rounder and several other Day2-3 selections is if that trade partner becomes Rodgers only agreeable option of available suitors.

Meaning IF there are at least TWO suitors that Rodgers will agree to? Somebodies parting with a FIRST rounder AND possibly a couple of firsts or equivalent.

There’s 1 outlier. IF it’s the Raiders and they part with a #7 overall?
That might be all they need along with maybe a Day 3 or equivalent (switching a couple Rounds)
Packers 4th for trade partner 3rd
Packers 7th for trade partners 4th etc. That #7 overall Is liquidation gold.

So one fear of say the hypothetical trade where we get the #7 overall from LV and chump change elsewhere.

I agree that spot could hold an immense trade back power move to still add pieces around a new Love led offense but hedge bets with 2024 draft picks if Love falters.

BUT there is a real possibility no one is going to give up a ton there….yes one of the top 3 or 4 QBs may still be there…but if they are two of the arguably most QB needy possibles sit just a pick or a few from there….Tampa Bay arguably the only far away team that may swing for the fences if the right QB prospect is there.

I could absolutely see a scenario where that pick simply isn’t tradable to the degree we’d hope….I truly believe it is as much likely this way as the other.

However there is still most likely a trade package someone would do for it, even if it isn’t a massive haul back inclusive of two firsts….could still be worth it in long run.