What do you REALLY think Rodgers would garner in a trade?

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I didn't suggest it's impossible for a team to win the Super Bowl without having an elite quarterback. But having one is more important than the cap space being saved over featuring an average replacement.
Fair enough and I can see that argument in and unto itself.

However There’s more to the study that was just 1 of several benefits of moving on. Even IF Rodgers stays, the Rodgers era is waning and likely done inside 2-3 seasons.

We are also talking about adding major draft capital in a trade, plus reeling our fiscal budget $ back into orbit. It’s more than 1 angle if you will. So even if I agreed that $20-30m saved isn’t a good trade off, we can’t just look at this moment in time. We’ve got a opportunity cost trade off that’s multi faceted. He’s a wonderful QB by talent standards, but he’s not 30 anymore. He’s about to turn 40yrs old, we can’t just assume he’ll play at a high level or even play at all until 45 like Brady.



That’s commitment. Mahomey is not “too good” for coming to work……
aka Mr. Aaron Rodgers. :rolleyes:
 
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He spoke to to nfl reps. He said it. King isnt one to just look for clicks.

This is why people can't have a serious convo with people that will defend rodgers to no end
Again I will ask: Which reps?

Can we say with any certainty whatsoever that the people he spoke with have any influence in any team's decision-making processes one way or another?

There are quite a few people who could be called "NFL representatives." There are far, far, FAR fewer people who ultimately have any meaningful influence on whether or not a Rodgers trade happens and/or what sort of compensation it will require. Which kind did King speak to?

And what does that have to do with "defending Rodgers," exactly?
 

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He spoke to to nfl reps. He said it. King isnt one to just look for clicks.

This is why people can't have a serious convo with people that will defend rodgers to no end
You’re right, that’s some pretty damning evidence…

He spoke to nfl reps, they raised their eyebrows. Then Peter king told us what he thought it meant.

Did I miss something?

For some that is yet another reason to think poorly about Rodgers.

I happen to think it’s the equivalent of saying, I asked some people about it and they thought it was strange too.

I’ve seen teams guarantee contracts for ****** predators and now I’m supposed to think a raised eyebrow is a meaningful.

There is a reason we can’t have meaningful conversations but it’s not the one you think.
 

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Again I will ask: Which reps?

Can we say with any certainty whatsoever that the people he spoke with have any influence in any team's decision-making processes one way or another?

There are quite a few people who could be called "NFL representatives." There are far, far, FAR fewer people who ultimately have any meaningful influence on whether or not a Rodgers trade happens and/or what sort of compensation it will require. Which kind did King speak to?

And what does that have to do with "defending Rodgers," exactly?
Not buying every thing spin in every way to make Rodgers look bad makes you an apologist, don’t you know?

Pointing out what some find as definitive is actually pretty weak has nothing to do with this.
 
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IF a Rodgers trade is 50/50 odds? Which is reasonable.
I have the Jets holding the best chance Overall. They seem to be purposely stirring interest.

Also. While Rodgers somewhat “non-committed” cloud looms large. I do expect a very slight regression in draft capital due to that. However,
I now think a trade will have at minimum 2 teams that are vying for him. Possibly 3 teams and that will all but negate any reduction in value. If he plays? It’s highly likely he commits to 2 seasons minimum.

I’m now expecting at minimum
2023
Round 1
Round 2
Round 4

2024
Round 1
Round 3
Round 4


It’s very conceivable GB would either get a player in trade also OR another 3-5th rounder. A Top 10 selection this year (such as the Raiders #7) would likely alter the overall haul of picks and for good reason. That #7 is like getting a #13 and top #50 area combined if used in a trade back.
 
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Again I will ask: Which reps?

Can we say with any certainty whatsoever that the people he spoke with have any influence in any team's decision-making processes one way or another?

There are quite a few people who could be called "NFL representatives." There are far, far, FAR fewer people who ultimately have any meaningful influence on whether or not a Rodgers trade happens and/or what sort of compensation it will require. Which kind did King speak to?

And what does that have to do with "defending Rodgers," exactly?
Read the article at all?
 

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Not buying every thing spin in every way to make Rodgers look bad makes you an apologist, don’t you know?

Pointing out what some find as definitive is actually pretty weak has nothing to do with this.
Read the article?
 

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Again I will ask: Which reps?

Can we say with any certainty whatsoever that the people he spoke with have any influence in any team's decision-making processes one way or another?

There are quite a few people who could be called "NFL representatives." There are far, far, FAR fewer people who ultimately have any meaningful influence on whether or not a Rodgers trade happens and/or what sort of compensation it will require. Which kind did King speak to?

And what does that have to do with "defending Rodgers," exactly?
Anything negative about rodgers is always defended as

who said it?

It's click bait

Media can't be trusted

Peter King would not put that out there at all if he thought it wasnt important
 

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I'll Post it again

There was eyebrow-raising among a few league or team people I brought this up with, the reaction being: I can see why the Packers would consider trading him. Seems like a good person, but he might be more trouble than he’s worth," King wrote.

More trouble then he is worth

My post says teams listen to what Rodgers says and does.

King's article says the exact same thing. That's all..nothing more




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Yes, we’ve already established people can hear what he says.

“More trouble than he’s worth” wrote King. Not an NFL exec said.

Exactly as I said. Yes I read it. It’s kings interpretation of “raised eyebrows”.

When he has something substantiation maybe we’ll write something that isn’t opinion tied to something pretty innocuous.

I just watched a team trade 3 first round picks and guarantee a 100+million dollar contract to a ****** predator a year ago and I’m supposed to believe this raised eyebrows stuff over a 4 day retreat for a QB that has never done anything remotely approaching what others have done is harming anything.

Sure
 

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Yes, we’ve already established people can hear what he says.

“More trouble than he’s worth” wrote King. Not an NFL exec said.

Exactly as I said. Yes I read it. It’s kings interpretation of “raised eyebrows”.

When he has something substantiation maybe we’ll write something that isn’t opinion tied to something pretty innocuous.

I just watched a team trade 3 first round picks and guarantee a 100+million dollar contract to a ****** predator a year ago and I’m supposed to believe this raised eyebrows stuff over a 4 day retreat for a QB that has never done anything remotely approaching what others have done is harming anything.

Sure
Again

You can't phathom other teams don't think he is worthy of trading for.

Its pointless to debate

Have good night
 

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Again

You can't phathom other teams don't think he is worthy of trading for.

Its pointless to debate

Have good night
What? Since when? Most teams probably don’t want to trade for him. When the **** did I ever say something like that? Never, that’s when.


I find this article to lack anything substantive. Nothing you have posted has brought anything more than Kings interpretation of an innocuous action.

What I can’t fathom is that a 4 day retreat and raised eyebrows about it means more to teams than trading for a QB facing a season at 40 with a rather large price tag would. That’s what I can’t fathom.
 

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What? Since when? Most teams probably don’t want to trade for him. When the **** did I ever say something like that? Never, that’s when.


I find this article to lack anything substantive. Nothing you have posted has brought anything more than Kings interpretation of an innocuous action.

What I can’t fathom is that a 4 day retreat and raised eyebrows about it means more to teams than trading for a QB facing a season at 40 with a rather large price tag would. That’s what I can’t fathom.
Start with the post I quoted where I posted the article..Look at what that person said and how it pertains to the article.

I'll say it again.

Teams take notice what he says. That's all I said. I never said the Gm of jets said. Or Gm of Colts said. King never said a Gm or head coach he said reps.

Its only a observation that "teams" take notice.

You are making it wayyyyyyyy more than that.

Just stop
 

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And now I recall why capt and sunshine ( so stop quoting me sunshine) are on ignore. It's pointless
 
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Here’s some more insight into why early preparation for QB and WR is a key component of seasonal success.
Here’s another article that speaks to the importance of early involvement and success rates. This is a Veteran MVP QB and Veteran WR’s and RB all understanding that additional time put forth in synchronizing with new additions is a key component to success rates.

If Seasoned KC veterans are doing this? Why didn’t our QB and brand new WR group do it??
I’ll always remember how Michael Jordan practiced and how it elevated his game. I’d Love his input here,
I promise he wouldn’t say just show up when it’s required.



 
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Read the article at all?
Maybe I missed in the article where he says which reps he spoke to, what team(s) they work for, what their role is in said team(s).

Since you are obviously very familiar with Mr. King’s reporting on the matter I’ll defer to your expertise - Can you point out his article he addresses these things?
 

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Maybe I missed in the article where he says which reps he spoke to, what team(s) they work for, what their role is in said team(s).

Since you are obviously very familiar with Mr. King’s reporting on the matter I’ll defer to your expertise - Can you point out his article he addresses these things?
bless your heart

Making this way more than it needs to be. I said it 2 times as to what the article meant to me.

Not what a Gm said, or a coach said.

I can't go on if you refuse to understand what this is all about
 

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bless your heart

Making this way more than it needs to be. I said it 2 times as to what the article meant to me.

Not what a Gm said, or a coach said.

I can't go on if you refuse to understand what this is all about
So some unknown employee of an unknown team who may or may not have any influence whatsoever on a trade for Rodgers allegedly “raised his eyebrows” when they heard about Rodgers’ upcoming “darkness retreat” and this is significant or meaningful because….? That’s what the article means to you, I guess?

I certainly understand that people pay attention to and take notice to the things that Rodgers does. And maybe it’s true that some unknown rep raised their eyebrows when they heard about this latest thing. But until we know who that rep(s) and what role they would have in a trade would be (or not) there’s no way of knowing if that’s actually significant or not.

How many “team reps” on an average NFL team do you believe actually have significant influence on whether or not a trade would happen and what it would cost? Take Green Bay for example. How many people do you think have a meaningful say in those matters. Half a dozen? Ten, maybe? Can we say with any confidence that King spoke to someone with any sort of decision-making responsibilities? If no, then this “scoop” is meaningless. If yes, then I’d sure like to know who.
 
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I haven't seen any of those fans, but I don't question that they are out there. There is very little doubt in my mind that a healthy Rodgers would be the best option for the Packers in 2023, if all we are looking at is W and L's. However, I don't think he has a good enough offense around him and a suspect defense, to lead this team to a Super Bowl. Therefore, I am just fine with the Packers getting as much as they can in a trade and hand the reins over to a new QB. The longer they put it off, the less they get in a trade and probably equally as important, the longer the cap issues remain.

As I have mentioned repeatedly as well, I agree that trading Rodgers this offseason is most likely the smart thing to do for the Packers.

Do you pay attention to the media? This isn't an isolated small amount of people talking about Rodgers. I know that you don't believe in much that is said by the media, but the media and fans around the world are not being all that favorable to the man.

No, I don't pay attention to the media at all, couldn't care less about it. I'm actually surprised that there are still fans out there that put as much stock into their click-bait articles as some of you do considering how often they were wrong about things involving Rodgers in the past three years.

Still, given the holes in the roster, salary cap hell and Love needing to get a chance to play, its time to trade AR, even if we are disappointed with the haul.

If the Packers believe they won't have a legit chance of winning another Super Bowl with Rodgers I agree it's time to move on. Love needing to get a chance to play shouldn't be considered a valid reason for it though.

However There’s more to the study that was just 1 of several benefits of moving on. Even IF Rodgers stays, the Rodgers era is waning and likely done inside 2-3 seasons.

We are also talking about adding major draft capital in a trade, plus reeling our fiscal budget $ back into orbit. It’s more than 1 angle if you will. So even if I agreed that $20-30m saved isn’t a good trade off, we can’t just look at this moment in time. We’ve got a opportunity cost trade off that’s multi faceted. He’s a wonderful QB by talent standards, but he’s not 30 anymore. He’s about to turn 40yrs old, we can’t just assume he’ll play at a high level or even play at all until 45 like Brady.

Once again, I agree it might be best to move on from Rodgers this offseason.


That’s commitment. Mahomey is not “too good” for coming to work……
aka Mr. Aaron Rodgers. :rolleyes:

Rodgers showed up for every single OTA practice until the 2021 offseason. Let's see how Mahomes feels about it when he's 37 years old.

While Rodgers somewhat “non-committed” cloud looms large. I do expect a very slight regression in draft capital due to that.

I don't think Rodgers not having decided if he wants to play for another season has any effect on his trade value. A team acquiring him will make sure that he will play for them next season before making a trade. Therefore it's a non-issue.

Here’s some more insight into why early preparation for QB and WR is a key component of seasonal success.
Here’s another article that speaks to the importance of early involvement and success rates. This is a Veteran MVP QB and Veteran WR’s and RB all understanding that additional time put forth in synchronizing with new additions is a key component to success rates.

If Seasoned KC veterans are doing this? Why didn’t our QB and brand new WR group do it??
I’ll always remember how Michael Jordan practiced and how it elevated his game. I’d Love his input here,
I promise he wouldn’t say just show up when it’s required.

It's a great story because the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl but I highly doubt it was a huge factor in it. I wonder if it would have been brought up if they ended up losing in the playoffs though.
 
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One more thing, Rodgers summarized my opinion about the media pretty accurate during yesterday's Pat McAfee show. THEY DON'T KNOW ****!!!


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Start with the post I quoted where I posted the article..Look at what that person said and how it pertains to the article.

I'll say it again.

Teams take notice what he says. That's all I said. I never said the Gm of jets said. Or Gm of Colts said. King never said a Gm or head coach he said reps.

Its only a observation that "teams" take notice.

You are making it wayyyyyyyy more than that.

Just stop
No kidding teams see what he says. even people that don't watch football see what he says. They plaster it everywhere. If that's all you want to point out. We got it. I agree.
But I gotta ask, why the rest of the quote about him being more trouble than it's worth? and that quote is King's interpretation, not a team exec quote. was that an accident? Seems to suggest you're saying what he says is affecting his trade value. and I disagree, obviously.

in this or another thread you also claimed nobody was saying this would diminish his trade value, but I can find quotes from at least 2 people alluding to, suggesting, and outright saying it does.

If all this is, is teams notice, so what? I notice too. I happen to think, so what? There's a difference between noticing stuff and caring a whole lot. I'd say how much they care is the most important part and the only part worth talking about. Of course people see what he says. How can you not?

When I "took notice" of the report on a "darkness retreat", i'm like, only Rodgers. Kind of weird. Still what worries me most? age, cap hit, money tied up in the future, can they fix any of the stuff they need to to have a shot wit one more year. Will he stay healthy. If I was another teams GM, I'd be worried about all those things too first and foremost. Most teams do not want to trade for Aaron Rodgers. Never would suggest they would. They don't need to and where he is in his career wouldn't help them anyway.

Some of us get accused of all sorts of things on here, but I am having a serious conversation about this. We've had multiple years of this now where most of what is said in the media has been a big fat nothing and until that changes, that's my initial thought on it. I'd hope others had learned that over the years, but seems an opinion piece by a sports writer is now definitive proof and "facts". Even better a headline from KFAN in Minneapolis "proves" it. I never thought anybody would relish the opportunity more than the guys and gals at KFAN to throw shade at Rodgers would exist on this board to :)
 

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Another factor in the Rodgers saga is what do the Packers do with Love? They spent big-time resources on a guy that could've been used to get other playeys to get the team over the top in 2020 and 2021. Do the Packers want to completely waste his rookie contract and is putting him on the bench for four seasons going to thwart his progress? If Love sits in 2023, he may have learned from Rodgers and start his own drama. Parting ways with Love without giving him a chance or wasting another critical year on the bench makes little sense to me given their investment and opportunity costs. If Love was a third round pick, no problem sitting as long as it takes, but he needs his chance very soon to show if he was worth the investment. I think playing Love now has lower risks for the Packers because I don't think they can compete for a SB with Rodgers.I'm not sold on Love by any means, but give him a legitimate chance.
 

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No, I don't pay attention to the media at all, couldn't care less about it. I'm actually surprised that there are still fans out there that put as much stock into their click-bait articles as some of you do considering how often they were wrong about things involving Rodgers in the past three years.
That made me laugh Captain and I'm not sure if I was laughing with you or at you. ;)

I'm surprised that a forum like this even interests you, if like you said, you don't pay attention to media at all. I've seen more incorrect information in here, than I have seen in the media.

I guess at the end of the day, whatever works for you. We all tend to soak up outside information, analyze the validity of it, add it to what we already know/feel and form our own opinions. While I agree with you that much of the media has sadly shifted to clickbait articles and what I call "being first, is more important than being right", I do actually find some of the opinions and speculations valuable at times.
 
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I don't pay a ton of mind, weight wise, to the media...however when Gute, MLF or Rodgers actually speaks - I do 100% pay close attention to what they say and precisely how they say it.
 
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