TT needs to go

[Ace]

The Packers have approximately $7 million in cap space left for this season. With them being allowed to roll over that amount they will have $33 million in cap space next offseason.

Also, releasing Peppers would save roughly $8M if I'm looking at it right. So the Packers could be looking at north of $40M in cap space correct? How much do draft picks and UDFA typically eat up?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Also, releasing Peppers would save roughly $8M if I'm looking at it right. So the Packers could be looking at north of $40M in cap space correct? How much do draft picks and UDFA typically eat up?

The drafted rookies will eat up approximately $5-6 million of the team's cap space. I don't think it's given that Peppers will be let go.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would be rather stunned if they let Peppers walk, seems like he still has enough gas in his tank for at least another season. TT and Ball have a nice bankroll to play with and don't need to free up more by losing one of their leaders on D.

 

[Ace]

The drafted rookies will eat up approximately $5-6 million of the team's cap space. I don't think it's given that Peppers will be let go.

No I would agree, especially given how well off we are financially even if we do keep him. So, we keep Peppers and after rookies, it's fair to assume we'll be around $25M left over? (obviously this is not counting re-signing some of our own which I fully expect TT to do).

 

[tynimiller]

Some of you have overhyped TT for so long it's not even worth arguing... But I will anyways. My stance on him hasn't changed. Wolfe was a better GM and already Schneider is a better GM. You'd never know these guys are cut from the same clothe. Wolfe went to two straight SBs ,and guess what?? So did Scheider. Teddy hasn't even gone to two straight NFC championship games.

I've always kinda held the belief the GM builds a team to win the regular season, coaches and players win in the playoffs...our records alone show that TT is doing more than his fair share and above average. I place some of our playoff woes more on the coaches and players than TT

 

[tynimiller]

No I would agree, especially given how well off we are financially even if we do keep him. So, we keep Peppers and after rookies, it's fair to assume we'll be around $25M left over? (obviously this is not counting re-signing some of our own which I fully expect TT to do).

You'd be surprised how fast some of that $25mill will disappear with resigns...not the most expensive batch of resignings needed and looking forward a year or two when some significant contracts come up I could see us playing conservative this year as far as resigns go. We shall see...

 

[RRyder]

The better question to ask is: "Where would the Packers be today if TT had not been hired? That is, if you all want to play the "what if" games.

Here's one. "What if" the Packers don't fail to stop Philly on 4&26?

They advance but how far? It's conceivable they win the SB that year with Ahman Green as SB MVP and Sherman as coach.

Do they then hold on to Green longer than they did and how does that affect how the draft and build?

Sherman 100% gets extra rope before he's yanked out if the GM job so we miss out on bringing on TT as GM.

With Sherman as GM and Favre still under center we no longer draft Rodgers as Sherman would've never rocked the boat with Favre.

So simply by playing the "what if" game based on one single play years ago we no longer have Rodgers QBing our team for the forseable future and our entire outlooks different and it's possible we're every bit as good as the Browns.

This is just an example of the butterfly effect and how one simple action effects the entire future of the franchise. But hey TT isn't GM and Sherman loved free agency so everyone should be happy

Actually hell. This seems more fun than the actuall topic

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I've always kinda held the belief the GM builds a team to win the regular season, coaches and players win in the playoffs...our records alone show that TT is doing more than his fair share and above average. I place some of our playoff woes more on the coaches and players than TT

I understand fans thinking highly of Thompson but giving him credit for regular season success while not holding him accountable for postseason failures is ridiculous.

 

[tynimiller]

I understand fans thinking highly of Thompson but giving him credit for regular season success while not holding him accountable for postseason failures is ridiculous.

Again you cannot take the saying as gospel 100% in either direction. To place 100% blame on anyone solely is naive at best.

The saying more or less to me means the difference factor in each is laid out as such. However, there are always issues and exceptions no doubt...our playoff failings recently just made me think of it is all.

 

[tynimiller]

Also I said "some of our woes" on players and coaches...didn't say entirely

 

[TJV]

I understand fans thinking highly of Thompson but giving him credit for regular season success while not holding him accountable for postseason failures is ridiculous.

I agree with that general principle, but I don't blame Thompson for the meltdown in the NFCCG. In fact I give him credit for giving the coaching staff enough talent to win it all.

 

[Ogsponge]

I think he got lucky that he fell that far, it took balls to take him though absolutely. He certainly wasn't lucky AR turned into what he has though, that I completely disagree with. He knew what Rodgers was.

You believe he knew that Aaron Rodgers was going to be the most efficient passer in the history of the NFL? Really? I have this bridge in San Francisco I would like to sell you...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think Wolf knew exactly what he was getting when he went after Favre either, but like Wolf, Thompson knew enough to grab Rodgers when he was there. Drafting him despite really not needing a QB at the time. I wasn't a member of this site at the time, but I imagine if TT used a #1 pick for a QB in this coming draft, we would all go ballistic.

 

[TJV]

I don't think Wolf knew exactly what he was getting when he went after Favre either, but like Wolf, Thompson knew enough to grab Rodgers when he was there. Drafting him despite really not needing a QB at the time. I wasn't a member of this site at the time, but I imagine if TT used a #1 pick for a QB in this coming draft, we would all go ballistic.

Wolf was director of player personnel for the Jets before becoming the Packers GM. He was in charge of their draft and the Jets had Favre as the #1 player in that draft based on Wolf studying his film as a junior. But the Jets didn’t have a number one pick that year and tried – and failed to trade up for him once they saw Favre fall into the second round. Wolf had a very good idea of what he was getting. IMO Thompson wasn’t as sure but where he and McCarthy get credit was having confidence in Rodgers in 2008. They didn’t have a ton on game performance to base that on, but they were obviously ready to move on from Favre to Rodgers.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Wolf was director of player personnel for the Jets before becoming the Packers GM. He was in charge of their draft and the Jets had Favre as the #1 player in that draft based on Wolf studying his film as a junior. But the Jets didn’t have a number one pick that year and tried – and failed to trade up for him once they saw Favre fall into the second round. Wolf had a very good idea of what he was getting. IMO Thompson wasn’t as sure but where he and McCarthy get credit was having confidence in Rodgers in 2008. They didn’t have a ton on game performance to base that on, but they were obviously ready to move on from Favre to Rodgers.

Trust me, those lasers we have seen Rodgers throw with pinpoint accuracy didn't just develop in the NFL. And performed well against great competition-I think he set the NCAA for consecutive completions against a #1 USC team with Carroll, and was a dropped TD from giving them their only loss for a second consecutive year. Like TT, my respect for Favre was no match for my belief that he was a total steal at that pick and future star.

 

[rodell330]

No team with more salary left over than us, made the playoffs.

No ones telling TT to go all Monoploy but 1 or 2 impact players can make a big difference... Even 1. Vernon Davis or even Desean Jackson in Green Bay would've solved a bunch of problems. Especially Davis.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No ones telling TT to go all Monoploy but 1 or 2 impact players can make a big difference... Even 1. Vernon Davis or even Desean Jackson in Green Bay would've solved a bunch of problems. Especially Davis.

You had me until you said those 2 names. Jackson to me has been a distraction, with less then average stats on top of some boneheaded plays. I would have supported a Davis move, but his season has proved that wouldn't have been good either. Obviously, we don't know how either would have fit into GB.

But I agree with you, TT could attempt to fill at least one or two positions of need this year ILB, TE, LT, WR and fill the rest via the draft and player development.

 

[RRyder]

Trust me, those lasers we have seen Rodgers throw with pinpoint accuracy didn't just develop in the NFL. And performed well against great competition-I think he set the NCAA for consecutive completions against a #1 USC team with Carroll, and was a dropped TD from giving them their only loss for a second consecutive year. Like TT, my respect for Favre was no match for my belief that he was a total steal at that pick and future star.

Well they did break down and rebuild his throwing mechanics so it is a little true his accuracy did just develope in the NFL

 

[TJV]

Trust me, those lasers we have seen Rodgers throw with pinpoint accuracy didn't just develop in the NFL. And performed well against great competition-I think he set the NCAA for consecutive completions against a #1 USC team with Carroll, and was a dropped TD from giving them their only loss for a second consecutive year. Like TT, my respect for Favre was no match for my belief that he was a total steal at that pick and future star.

Trust me, I watched Rodgers in preseason his first couple of seasons and "those lasers" weren't apparent.

 

[Shawnsta3]

No ones telling TT to go all Monoploy but 1 or 2 impact players can make a big difference... Even 1. Vernon Davis or even Desean Jackson in Green Bay would've solved a bunch of problems. Especially Davis.

You keep bringing up Vernon Davis and it keeps becoming a worse argument everytime you do. Obviously, we won't know for sure how things could have worked out had he been traded here, but since he was traded to Denver it will at least give us some indication.


He had huge drops in week 14 & week 15. Drops that make Davante Adams look like the All-Hands team. He was then blasted by an anonymous teammate for a "lack of effort." Then he was dropped to third string and has promptly not seen a target in the passing game since.

So just fyi, if you're going to use an example of players TT should have traded for, and specifically point out one guy twice, at least make it better than the disaster scenario that currently is Vernon Davis.

 

[OldSchool101]

You had me until you said those 2 names. Jackson to me has been a distraction, with less then average stats on top of some boneheaded plays. I would have supported a Davis move, but his season has proved that wouldn't have been good either. Obviously, you don't know how either would have fit into GB.

But I agree with you, TT could attempt to fill at least one or two positions of need this year ILB, TE, LT, WR and fill the rest via the draft and player development.

I would love to see us get a "known Quantity" by securing 2 of those 4 positions this offseason through FA.

 

[Sanguine camper]

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You keep bringing up Vernon Davis and it keeps becoming a worse argument everytime you do. Obviously, we won't know for sure how things could have worked out had he been traded here, but since he was traded to Denver it will at least give us some indication.


He had huge drops in week 14 & week 15. Drops that make Davante Adams look like the All-Hands team. He was then blasted by an anonymous teammate for a "lack of effort." Then he was dropped to third string and has promptly not seen a target in the passing game since.

So just fyi, if you're going to use an example of players TT should have traded for, and specifically point out one guy twice, at least make it better than the disaster scenario that currently is Vernon Davis.

I'll take Davis any time of TT's water 3rd round pick in the ultra slow Rick Rodgers. TT has his strengths but he is a big time gambler. No one puts more eggs into a single basket than TT does with his stubborn reliance on draft and develope. Ultimately gamblers always end up losing. With TT his approach leaves fatal holes in the team.

 

[longtimefan]

No ones telling TT to go all Monoploy but 1 or 2 impact players can make a big difference... Even 1. Vernon Davis or even Desean Jackson in Green Bay would've solved a bunch of problems. Especially Davis.

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I'll take Davis any time of TT's water 3rd round pick in the ultra slow Rick Rodgers. TT has his strengths but he is a big time gambler. No one puts more eggs into a single basket than TT does with his stubborn reliance on draft and develope. Ultimately gamblers always end up losing. With TT his approach leaves fatal holes in the team.

Except for a SB win---with 15 on injured

And 3 NFCCG--same as Wolf

 

[ExpatPacker]

The way I see it the Packers have several positions of need right now:

ILB, WR, TE, LT.

IF they don't sign Raji or if Peppers is let go, then include DT and OLB as well.

There are several quality FAs at those positions. Ted will have to go outside the draft and develop strategy if he wants to fill all those positions with a solid starter. If Ted does little to nothing in FA then Packer nation has a legitimate and serious gripe. From what I hear, MM has been more or less saying to Ted that he should be doing just that.

Some FAs I'd love to see:

WR Alshon Jeffrey. Man would he look good opposite Jordy. Likely too high priced and Chi would be stupid to let him go. Question is whether they can afford to keep him.
WR alternate Marvin Jones.

TE Ladarius Green. Been playing behind Antonio Gates all these years.

ILB Danny Trevathan. Broncos will spend their cash on keeping Brandon Marshall. They may not be able to pay Trevathan.
ILB alternate Derrick Johnson

LT Kelvin Beachum Torn ACL makes him risky, but if he looks good to go for 2016 he'd be an upgrade over Bakhtiari.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

No ones telling TT to go all Monoploy but 1 or 2 impact players can make a big difference... Even 1. Vernon Davis or even Desean Jackson in Green Bay would've solved a bunch of problems. Especially Davis.

In addition to what others have said about DeSean Jackson there's no reason to believe the Redskins would have traded him.