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Also Aaron Jones was arrested last season for an undisclosed legal issue ( update: marijuana, devils lettuce). Not sure how that will go forth in 2018 season.
Lacy's health should have made everyone a bit nervous. Like Mondio has rammed into my brain many times, a team really can't be deep at every position. 3 deep at RB with 1-2 possibles on your PS should do it. Given the Packers don't rely heavily on the running game anyway, if injuries start taking guys down, its part of the game and you do the best you can with PS or street guys.Yeah we have those three but the thing is those three can all go down in ONE game. And we've seen it happen last season. Monty gets injuried, William's takes over for like a week, gets injuried. Jones takes over does well, gets injuried. Monty attempts to play. We were living on the edge o felt like. Didnt have that feeling with Lacy and injury/fumble prone Starks. I'd like to see at least one more season of those three if they can stay healthy. I'd stash Bouagnon amd May's on the PSquad.
Also Aaron Jones was arrested last season for an undisclosed legal issue ( update: marijuana, devils lettuce). Not sure how that will go forth in 2018 season.
Sure, you cant be deep in every position but to say RB isn't something we should worry bout could come and haunt us. My point still stands we have three RBs who couldnt stay healthly last season. Entering this incoming season hopefully the three can but monty has shown a pattern of propensity to not be able to take punishment.Lacy's health should have made everyone a bit nervous. Like Mondio has rammed into my brain many times, a team really can't be deep at every position. 3 deep at RB with 1-2 possibles on your PS should do it. Given the Packers don't rely heavily on the running game anyway, if injuries start taking guys down, its part of the game and you do the best you can with PS or street guys.
Yeah lol I saw that. If anything like G-Mo last season, he gets a one or two game ban.Sounds like he lost his license for 6 months, as well as a fine. Not sure if the NFL has weighed in yet. If you want to watch the actual arrest, go to this article.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/28/packers-aaron-jones-weed-arrest-license-revoked/
The Beatings will continue until morale improves...Lacy's health should have made everyone a bit nervous. Like Mondio has rammed into my brain many times, a team really can't be deep at every position. 3 deep at RB with 1-2 possibles on your PS should do it. Given the Packers don't rely heavily on the running game anyway, if injuries start taking guys down, its part of the game and you do the best you can with PS or street guys.
Rich Gannon, Aaron Brooks had his best seasons with MM as his QB coach in NO. He coached up matt flynn to the point he got a fairly decent FA contract from another team. Came back here and won some games with us too. He's done more than you give him credit for. Favre may have been gone from GB a lot sooner had MM not come to town. The difference in his level of play was obvious. And Rodgers wasn't what he is when he entered the league. Don't discount what NOT being able to have a QB school because of the CBA does to the ability to build up a QB that needs a lot of work either. It's very limited these days.So MM gets credit for coaching two of the best QBs ever while failing to develop any backups for the past how many years? Again, are we saying that MM developed Rodgers and that Rodgers wouldn't have been this good with another coach? Then why can't MM find and develop decent backups for Rodgers (Flynn, as we can see in hindsight, was a product of having great players around him)?
At some point we have to admit that evidence is beginning to show that Rodgers is the main cause of Rodgers being great. And MM gets no credit for "developing" Favre. Yes, he reigned him in. Kudos for that but that's not developing.
The Beatings will continue until morale improves...
I supposed reading beyond my quoted message would have helped. What he said^^^I think McCarthy was good at developing QB's under the old CBA rules. These new rules have hampered him, and he can't do his QB school like he used to.
Hundley is tricky because he obviously has talent. Good arm, good legs, even startling good accuracy in occasion...but he could not handle pressure at all. It's hard to know that until he gets under pressure, and as long as Rodgers was healthy, Hundley was never going to get that chance. It's one of those things you can't coach out of a guy either.
I guess what I'm saying is some guys look really good in practice, and then suck in the game. Some are the opposite. You never know until they're in that situation, so it's hard for me to fault McCarthy too much for that. I think it's obvious now he knows Hundley can't do it, and he found a replacement for him in Kizer. So it's not like McCarthy is completely blind.
it's certainly not like finding DB's, edge rushers and QB'. It's probably the most plug and play position on the field besides punter. But i don't see many teams being 4-5 deep at RB. I wouldn't argue that it's terribly difficult to find someone to hand the ball off too and be serviceable. But doing what some of these offenses ask them to do limits the pool at least some. or it will limit the offense.Eh. I think RB is the easiest position to find somebody decent at.
it's certainly not like finding DB's, edge rushers and QB'. It's probably the most plug and play position on the field besides punter. But i don't see many teams being 4-5 deep at RB. I wouldn't argue that it's terribly difficult to find someone to hand the ball off too and be serviceable. But doing what some of these offenses ask them to do limits the pool at least some. or it will limit the offense.
My guess would be Fackrell played a lot of snaps (447 on defense and 354 on special teams) due to not enough healthy depth at the position as well as to see what he could do. If Biegel stays healthy, I think you will see a different player this year than you did last year. The coaches and players sound pretty high on Gilbert and his progress after 2 years, so maybe we will see less of Fackell in 2018.Still scratching my head why Fackrell played so much when he performed poorly. I really hope Gilbert wins out. I still have doubts bout Biegel.
Sounds like he lost his license for 6 months, as well as a fine. Not sure if the NFL has weighed in yet. If you want to watch the actual arrest, go to this article.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/28/packers-aaron-jones-weed-arrest-license-revoked/
Still scratching my head why Fackrell played so much when he performed poorly. I really hope Gilbert wins out. I still have doubts bout Biegel.
I'm still pissed Fackrell was playing over Gilbert. Gilbert is better.
Why the doubts on Biegel?
Injury prone throughout high school and college(edit: he was a very good player, but big cry baby). We played against him in high school (I also played against Melvin Gordon)I'm still pissed Fackrell was playing over Gilbert. Gilbert is better.
Why the doubts on Biegel?
Gilbert hasn't done anything yet. So far the hype on him reminds me of Elliott. How'd that work out? I wasn't all that thrilled with Biegel when they drafted him either. Seems like a slightly better version of Ryan. His rookie year was a wash with injuries, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best. But he's not a guy I'm going to get too excited about.
DNA pretty much hit on it, how much talent has MM had to try and develop into a solid QB? Besides AR, Brian Brohm was the only QB drafted before the 5th rd on MM's watch and like so many QB's out of college, Brohm just didn't have it. Just because the Packers draft a QB or sign an UDFA, doesn't mean MM is going to turn him into a FHOF QB. Maybe that is the mindset that the Packers and fans need to get themselves out of, just because you draft a QB, doesn't mean you will be able to develop him into a successful NFL QB.
Wow pretty ****** of him. I don’t like people who drive under the influence, it’s one of the mostly inconsiderate, immature, selfish and dangerous things a person could do. Kinda hoping he loses out on the field now, would prefer to see jamaal and Monty take most of the snaps. Wouldn’t upset me if he were cut or traded tbh.
Rich Gannon, Aaron Brooks had his best seasons with MM as his QB coach in NO. He coached up matt flynn to the point he got a fairly decent FA contract from another team. Came back here and won some games with us too. He's done more than you give him credit for. Favre may have been gone from GB a lot sooner had MM not come to town. The difference in his level of play was obvious. And Rodgers wasn't what he is when he entered the league. Don't discount what NOT being able to have a QB school because of the CBA does to the ability to build up a QB that needs a lot of work either. It's very limited these days.
and we'll see how that works out. maybe he's hampering his young QB because he doesn't make the decisions or get to learn from his mistakes in reading defenses. Maybe defenses figure out what his coach is going to do and Goff never learns to do it for himself or change the reads and they bait him into all sorts of things. Was it better? they still haven't won anything.Then why does MM insist that the QBs are good enough and, more importantly, why does he not modify his offenses to help those QBs. People were amazed last year at the improvement in Jared Goff's game and it came to light partway through the season that much of his improvement was because the Rams coaching staff had the offense hurry to the line and then, when the defense was lined up, Goff looked to the sideline and the coach read the defense and gave him the audible. McVay was putting his QB in the best position to win. MM on the other hand, with Hundley, ran basically the same offense; the Packers ran 1/1 offensive sets 637 snaps last year, the next closest was the 1/2 set 114 snaps. Coming into the draft Hundley's pros were his athleticism and dual-threat ability; his weaknesses were vision and accuracy. So what does our offense do with Hundley? Trot out 3 wide receivers and force Hundley to read defenses...
Look, MM won a Super Bowl with a good offense and a great defense. He's been a very good developer of talent (though not as great recently). However, he's had some really bad coaching decisions and, let's be crystal clear here, there's absolutely no reason the Packers with Aaron Rodgers should have ONE Super Bowl appearance with Rodgers at QB. We can blame the defense all we want but recent Super Bowl champs have given up a lot of points as well and still won. Plus, who's decision was it to keep Capers all those years?
How are you supposed to develop a QB when you don't have time to develop him? you can't take the time to work with him because you have to take that time to get the rest of the team ready to play that week. Unless you think it's a good idea to develop 5th round picks at the expense of the rest of the team and starting QB? you act like all these other teams are cranking out late round draft picks as good QB's??So, if the CBA is hampering him, then the Packers should either change the CBA to unleash MM's true ability (impossible) or find a coach that can work under the current CBA. Matt Flynn played well in Green Bay, but as I said I think we can tell in hindsight that much of that was talent on the offense around Flynn. Brooks was decent but never really great (his best year was immediately followed by his second worst year). McCarthy was the QB coach in KC for Gannon for '95-'98; Gannon played a total of 27 games those years throwing 23 TDs and 11 INTs so that's not exactly great (i'm pretty sure on these numbers but I'm not a KC fan so I could be off). I'm not sure what the Favre point is. Are you saying that Favre would have gone to a different team had MM not been the coach? Again, that's irrelevant since we're talking development of QBs.
I have no problems giving credit to MM for developing offensive talent during his tenure in Green Bay and being an innovative offensive mind when he came to Green Bay. However, if his QB development ability relies on something that can't be done in the NFL, then it's pointless. Additionally, for all the offensive flair he showed early on, his offenses had become conservative until last year when he finally tried some new things.
Then why does MM insist that the QBs are good enough and, more importantly, why does he not modify his offenses to help those QBs. People were amazed last year at the improvement in Jared Goff's game and it came to light partway through the season that much of his improvement was because the Rams coaching staff had the offense hurry to the line and then, when the defense was lined up, Goff looked to the sideline and the coach read the defense and gave him the audible. McVay was putting his QB in the best position to win. MM on the other hand, with Hundley, ran basically the same offense; the Packers ran 1/1 offensive sets 637 snaps last year, the next closest was the 1/2 set 114 snaps. Coming into the draft Hundley's pros were his athleticism and dual-threat ability; his weaknesses were vision and accuracy. So what does our offense do with Hundley? Trot out 3 wide receivers and force Hundley to read defenses...