Training Camp 2019 notes

[Pokerbrat2000]

I may have to rethink my stance on Davis after tonight't Family Night Practice. He made a few really nice grabs and from what the announcers said, has stepped up as a WR. If that ends up being the case, given his ST play, he could be a lock for the 53.

With Kumerow being a reliable WR, J'Mon Moore has got to be feeling the pressure and could be the odd man out.

 

[Mondio]

We’re out of town, didn’t get to see any of it. Look forward to hearing everyone’s interpretation of it until I can see them next weekend

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We’re out of town, didn’t get to see any of it. Look forward to hearing everyone’s interpretation of it until I can see them next weekend

You didn't miss a whole lot. My takes:

• WR Group looks good. Both Davis and Kumerow made some nice catches.
• Defense as a whole looks faster and stronger.
• QB Manny Wilkins might be the 3rd QB on this team, but put on the PS.
• Sam Ficken was inconsistent, but evidently closed the night with a 64 yarder.
• The energy of the players seems more upbeat, lots of smiles.

 

[Do7]

You didn't miss a whole lot. My takes:

• WR Group looks good. Both Davis and Kumerow made some nice catches.
• Defense as a whole looks faster and stronger.
• QB Manny Wilkins might be the 3rd QB on this team, but put on the PS.
• Sam Ficken was inconsistent, but evidently closed the night with a 64 yarder.
• The energy of the players seems more upbeat, lots of smiles.

This news pleases me. Anything regarding MVS?
Kumerow I think will eventually be to this team what Jordy was. By that I mean a route running specialist with good hands. If Davis keeps this up, I think he has the potential to become that deep threat that we've desperately needed. He has the speed.

 

[yooperpackfan]

Jmon Moore dropped a couple that he should have caught, but that's not unusual.
Alexander looked really good in coverage.
Kizer was up and down.
Ficken is no replacement for Crosby.
Like Pokerbrat said, Davis and Kumerow looked very good.

 

[sschind]

Never said he did. I stated the exact opposite, so not sure if that was intended fit another poster”

“We haven’t really seen enough of him in O to make a judgement one way or another. But what he has been obligated to do (returns and gunner) he’s done well.”

You also said

Not to mention both him and G Mo had a good start to last season before succumbing to injury.

While not specifically mentioning at WR by putting him in with GMO it seems implied. At least it seemed that way to me as I was thinking what does he mean Davis was off to a good start he never played on offense or at least never saw a pass. Apparently Captain thought so as well.

 

[AmishMafia]

To add a few things:

Tre Carson made a bizzarre play. He fumbled the handoff and kept running. Didnt turn back and dive on it, just kept going. Not sure what the hell that was about.

Carson also had a very impressive run. He showed impressive vision, burst and elusiveness on a carry up the middle that did not look like there was much there.

Gary continues to impress.

ZSmith is really impressive.

MVS was quiet. Kumerow and Davis are making the team. We are going to be cutting a talented WR. Thought Lazard didnt make enough effort on one of his targets.

Light was starting ROT. Not sure he did well.

Family night was a lot more 11 on 11s. Seems McCarthy did more drills. I think this was more enjoyable for the fans.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Never said he did. I stated the exact opposite, so not sure if that was intended fit another poster

As sschind pointed out you mentioned that Davis had a good start to last season before suffering an injury.

As we were talking about him as a receiver I understood you referred to his performance on offense.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I may have to rethink my stance on Davis after tonight't Family Night Practice. He made a few really nice grabs and from what the announcers said, has stepped up as a WR. If that ends up being the case, given his ST play, he could be a lock for the 53.

With Kumerow being a reliable WR, J'Mon Moore has got to be feeling the pressure and could be the odd man out.

I agree. Granted, most passes were spot on, but he created separation. Yeah if he keeps playing this way he’ll make the 53.

And Kumerow! All he does is execute. He knows how to make plays work.

The guy who has to be worried is Moore. It’s simple, he drops too many balls. Strange given his pedigree. At this rate, I'll be surprised if he makes the 53.

 

[Heyjoe4]

This news pleases me. Anything regarding MVS?
Kumerow I think will eventually be to this team what Jordy was. By that I mean a route running specialist with good hands. If Davis keeps this up, I think he has the potential to become that deep threat that we've desperately needed. He has the speed.

I admit I don’t know how fast he is, but his play execution is second to none. He certainly plays fast. I don’t know why more coaches aren’t talking him up. He won’t stay under the radar long with this type of play. Reminds me a little of Edelman. That’s a compliment BTW!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree. Granted, most passes were spot on, but he created separation. Yeah if he keeps playing this way he’ll make the 53.

And Kumerow! All he does is execute. He knows how to make plays work.

The guy who has to be worried is Moore. It’s simple, he drops too many balls. Strange given his pedigree. At this rate, I'll be surprised if he makes the 53.

I think the "highlight" catch of the night was by Davis, can't remember who threw the ball, maybe Kizer(?), nor who was covering Davis. Was a high well thrown ball, above a perfectly covered Davis, but Trevor went up for it and caught it above and in front of the DB. If he can keep doing that, with his speed, Rodgers is going to start licking his chops.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The guy who has to be worried is Moore. It’s simple, he drops too many balls. Strange given his pedigree. At this rate, I'll be surprised if he makes the 53.

Moore had significant issues with drop in college as well, being the reason he fell to the fourth round. Therefore it's not surprising he has troubles catching the ball at the NFL level either.

I think the "highlight" catch of the night was by Davis, can't remember who threw the ball, maybe Kizer(?), nor who was covering Davis. Was a high well thrown ball, above a perfectly covered Davis, but Trevor went up for it and caught it above and in front of the DB. If he can keep doing that, with his speed, Rodgers is going to start licking his chops.

I guess you're talking about the play in which Boyle was throwing the ball with Nydair Rouse in coverage.

You can find a video clip under this link (third play from the top):

https://www.packers.com/news/full-highlights-packers-family-night

 

[HardRightEdge]

Moore had significant issues with drop in college as well, being the reason he fell to the fourth round. Therefore it's not surprising he has troubles catching the ball at the NFL level either.



I guess you're talking about the play in which Boyle was throwing the ball with Nydair Rouse in coverage.

You can find a video clip under this link (third play from the top):

https://www.packers.com/news/full-highlights-packers-family-night

My top takeaway from those clips, particularly the second from the bottom, is Rodgers' mobility, showing no residual affects from the knee injury. He looks very sharp on the short to intermediate throws, quick feet and back foot and 3/4 throws on the mark.

There is a recurring theme on the deep throws, Davis against Rouse, Kumerow against what looks like #23 Alexander, Adams against King--underthrows. Davis' looks to be a back shoulder by design; the other two might be jump balls by design, particularly the Adams throw under the safety. Kumerow might or might not have gotten away with a pushoff in real game action. And there is alot of separation being given up on quite a few throws. The main takeaway, however, is DBs chasing and not getting their heads around. The good news is Rodgers exploiting that as we've come to expect.

The out throw to MVS against off coverage looks to be an Adams-like money play for this season. With MVS's hands and catch radius, and that throw to that spot, the play is nearly indefensible for a decent chunk of yardage. This could be a look or hand signal playground audible when the coverage indictates. LaFluer: "No, no, yes, yes!"

I'm not in love with Davis' over-the-middle catch from Kizer. The ball is thrown a shade behind but not so much he should have to leave his feet in self-defense posture. You want to see the guy run through the catch to maximize YAC. There's a little hair splitting here, but it bears watching as we move along.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think G-Mo was shown making a catch or two during the practice, but from what I have read/heard, he appears to be playing really well from the slot. At 6' 3" and Graham at 6' 7", if both players up their games, the middle of the field is going to be a tough place for teams to defend. Adams and MVS on the outside, this could be a receiving corp that Rodgers really likes and exploits defenses with, if he stays healthy and the OL protects him.

 

[gbgary]

king has a hammy. ugh!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

king has a hammy. ugh!

Was JUST about to post that! lol

I swear this guy is made of recycled glass!

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ers-another-hamstring-injury-misses-practice/

 

[C-Lee]

Kevin King is a joke

 

[Sanguine camper]

King getting hurt isn't news. King actually being ready to play football is news. He makes Nick Perry look like an iron man. No word yet on how long he will be out. Since no one is saying day-to-day, it looks like it may be serious. Last season, I called King a major bust and a lot of people took offense. This latest injury is more proof that picking King instead of Watt was a massive blunder.

 

[Zartan]

Was JUST about to post that! lol

I swear this guy is made of recycled glass!

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ers-another-hamstring-injury-misses-practice/

Kevin King reminds me of this on Spongebob.

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“I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.”

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think G-Mo was shown making a catch or two during the practice, but from what I have read/heard, he appears to be playing really well from the slot. At 6' 3" and Graham at 6' 7", if both players up their games, the middle of the field is going to be a tough place for teams to defend.

I'm still not convinced Allison is a fit to line up in the slot for the majority of the snaps.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm still not convinced Allison is a fit to line up in the slot for the majority of the snaps.

Maybe not in a MM style of offense, but Allison sounds like the exact type of WR that MLF has used in the slot with offenses that he has been a part of.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ts-mold-for-slot-wr-in-matt-lafleurs-offense/

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe not in a MM style of offense, but Allison sounds like the exact type of WR that MLF has used in the slot with offenses that he has been a part of.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ts-mold-for-slot-wr-in-matt-lafleurs-offense/

I'm not sure any coach has ever used a receiver with a worse 3 cone drill than Allison at slot receiver in league history

 

[HardRightEdge]

I'm not sure any coach has ever used a receiver with a worse 3 cone drill than Allison at slot receiver in league history

He's got loooooong speed, though.

Despite running a 4.67 at the Combine, we also have this:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...on-creates-one-of-nfls-fastest-tds-in-week-3/

That is one late peak in the acceleration curve. You can see it in this video of his 40 run at the Combine:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000643704/2016-Combine-workout-Geronimo-Allison

He's slow out of the box, consistent with that 7.4 3-cone, but then he gets vertical and into his long stride. By the time he hits the 30 yard mark he's motoring.

If LaFleur channels some inner McCarthy, running four go routes as we would see from time to time, Allison might be his man out of the slot.

Kidding (maybe) aside, the "big slot" concept is quite different than the Welker-model waterbug slot. With the small quick guys you're looking for that separation out of the break, but you get a small target to hit. The big slot is more like the TE slot, less quick, bigger target, bigger catch radius. I don't see that 7.4 3-cone as in itself a problem. Kelce ran a 7.1, to take one example; 3/10 of a second difference is barely noticeable.

The problem is that Allison is not a TE. The lack of initial quickness is combined with Allison's lack of bulk and physicality. He runs clean routes and he has good hands to go with the 6' 3" target, but those short routes are going to be with a lack of separation and a lot of contested balls. Slot corners and safeties are not going to be reluctant to unload on that long lean frame. I would be concerned about INTs on balls popping out on the hit and the potential for injury on slants.

I have a hard time seeing Allison in the slot on a regular basis, more a matchup and situational role. The best slot receiver on this roster is Adams. That dude is sudden and money on the short slant. He ran out of the slot in McCarthy's offense from time to time. We'll probably see him there again. But he has other jobs to do as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Seems like when we talk about Packer WR's, when #12 is the QB, we always need to talk about chemistry between QB and WR. From everything I have read, Allison and A-Rod have that. So yes, Allison isn't the fastest guy, nor was his 3 cone that great, but when #12 is getting you the ball, sometimes those things don't matter as long as you are where Aaron expects you to be.

 

[Do7]

Kevin King is a joke

Dude lay off. You act like he wanted to get hurt. Seriously.