Thoughts on the 2006 Draft

[musccy]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Pack... I'm going to turn that question right back at you...is Brett or anyone else ever accountable. He threw 6 frickin' picks in the Rams game...SIX... (and a fumble too, right?). That ties a playoff record, and you still pass the buck. Give me a frickin' break! Yes, Brett is awsome, but he f's up too from time to time...that game being an example.

Yes I've blamed MS (e.g. Cleveland, no hurry up, not kicking a fg w/ ~1 min to play)...but I also realize there is a lot more to football than JUST the head coach.

After the play has been called, 11 players are responsible for executing the play, the GM is responsible for the team on the field, the scouts find those 7th round gems, etc.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Let's just get Bush, we're gonna need him when Rodgers is going to be our starting QB!

 

[IPBprez]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

I'd offer my back yard for Muscy and Pack66 to brawl around in - but I like my lawn....

The one thing both of you are neglecting.....

Is how a Team can lose faith in the Coaching Staff... and then, themselves!

 

[GakkofNorway]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

I agree, if the team loses their respect for the coaching staff, it's over with!

 

[Zero2Cool]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

I would say that the Bears could send you Cedric Benson in a trade but the truth is that the Packers do not have anyone that the Bears need.

It wouldn't happen, but


I would take Brett over Orton...

 

[tarkenton10]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Sorry to say but I don't think you will get Bush. First off you guys are not that bad to garner a first three pick in next years draft. Bush will be gone by then. Second too many teams want him and if you don't have the first or second pick you will not get him. Third you may trade up but I don't think your org. is the type to do that.

My guess is that Houston takes him with the first pick and Oakland will take Linehart with the second pick. Oakland is not that bad of a team but the division they play in will mean that they will lose at least 7 games inside their own division. Two to the chargers, chiefs and one to Denver. I think you guys finish around the middle of the pack along with the Viking and Lions. Somewhere around 13 give or take a few in either direction so I will say ten to sixteen. Bush will be long gone, and who will be there by then, no way of telling. You know how people shoot up the draft boards and free fall.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

There is just one team that has a worse record in the NFL than the Packers, and that is Houston, and they have Carr. I believe Carr is RAW talent, he has an arm like a cannon, and could be great, if he'd had any O-line at all. He owns the league record in sacks, and is looking to break it this season, that is mostly the reason why he isn't producing, it's not his fault Houston sucks. He has really got no time in that pocket, and against any D, it's logical that that won't work out.

Therefore, If I were Houston, I'd build an O-line, and get quality receivers to catch the balls coming from Carr. The franchise has potential, they are just organized very poorly. Because of the poor management, I reckon they will ditch Carr, not seeing his talent and their own problems, and pick Matt Leinart. If I were a top 5 QB, I would never ever go to Houston, they will destroy yet another great talent. Because of this, the Packers would probably get a go at Bush with the second overall draft pick.

And guys we are almost in week 8 , the season is half way done, and we have wrapped up 1 win, in 6 games. We just have to realize that it probably won't get any better this year.

The season is cracked anyway, in my opinion, and I just hope for a good draft next year to improve a mediocre talented team, that could be good, with really good coaching, just look at our D. It isn't very talented, but it has made the top 10.

 

[Dan115]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Houston will take Bush I am sorry to say.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

They will pick Leinart, I'm sure, they don't see Carr's talent

 

[tarkenton10]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Many of you think that your team is now destined to go - 1-15. That is not going to happen, I truly believe you are going to be in the middle of the pack (no pun intended). If you look at your schedule you have quite a few winnable games.

Cincy to me is a loss

Pittsburgh way to tough but they arenot an explosive team so you may suprise them if they have a bad game. But a loss

Atlanta if you have them at home and I think you do you can beat them. They have Vick bu tI am not convinced they are an elite NFC team and are beatable. a Win

Vikings - Outplayed Minnesota in the first half of the first game. Let you guard down and lost . In Lambutt that won't happen. Win

Eagles - just too much - Loss

Chicago - at Chicago, I like their D - Loss

Detroit - they still can't beat you guys!! - Win

Ravens great D no offense whatsoever, amazing considering when Billick left the Vikings he was an offensive Genius - Win

Chicago at home - You guys come out of it with a close win. You play much better in lambutt and Chicago's O doesn't strike fear in anyone. - win

Seattle - Loss plain and simple!!

That would leave you at 6-10 so you would be around the 8-10 pick. I think your O could carry you to more wins and a lower pick but you won't get Bush in my opinion.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

We have had several winnable games already, actually most of the games have been winnable, but we haven't been able to win them, and there is nothing telling me we will for the rest of the season, even with Favre playing at his best.

 

[IPBprez]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Atlanta has Ed Donatell - who knows Rossley and Sherman quite well.
That's a no-brainer loss for the Pack.

We SHOULD have won against the Vikings - and going away from using the TE's - like in the 2nd qtr - is what cost os that game. I said before the game that this was a MUST-WIN for Sherman & the Packers... it would have provided momentum into the Halloween game and beyond; which with the new slate of injuries.... well, let's just say - I had other hopes against the Steelers - but now, it most likely won't happen. Our Defense may stop the BUS, but our Offense won't get much done against the new Steel Curtain....

And, after that loss by Cincy against Pittsburgh this week - the Bengals will be out for blood to get back on track with their winning season.

We very could be looking at only two, moybe three wins all season this year... thanks to a lackluster program put forth by the OC and his henchman, the HC.

When you attack game is working - you don't sit on your lead and try to simply protect it.

Prevent Football.... prevents you from Winning!
Why Rossley & Co can't (or more likely won't) figure that out - is beyond me.

I say he's playin' the bookies..... Somebody prove me wrong, please!
Tell me it's just plain ineptitude or stupidity..... by a former College level dude....

 

[GakkofNorway]

Somebody give Rossley a hand

 

[mattresell]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

I don't see us beating Atlanta, but all the other picks I agree with. That's puts us at 5-11 in my estimation. Other teams that I think will finish with similar records:

Minnesota: 5-11
Arizona: 5 or 6 wins
San Fran: 4 wins tops
Miami: 5 to 7 wins
Jets: 4 to 5 wins
Baltimore: 4 to 5 wins
Cleveland: 5 wins
Houston: 2 to 3 wins
Tenn: 6 wins

That puts us anywhere from the 3rd pick to the 9th pick. I'm guessing 5-6 is where we'll be drafting. Bye, bye Leinart. Don't need you anyways. So long Reggie Bush. Would have been nice to have his explosiveness.

Is everyone sure that his counterpart, Lendale White, isn't going to be a better pro anyways? I know he can't do all the things Reggie can, but as far as a pure runner goes, he's proabably better suited for the NFL.

Reggie Bush- 5'11" 196 lbs. (Faulk, Dunn, Barber, Westbrook)
Lendale White- 6'1" 230 lbs (Dillon, McGahee, Duece, Davis)

I guess it depends on what kind of back you like.

 

[IPBprez]

I prefer the Dorsey Levens (GBP), Brad Muster (Chicago), and Alstott (Tampa Bay)

Those have been some of my favs for Running Backs....
I like 'em running low & horizontal to the ground...all the way to the End Zone!

 

[HatestheEagles084]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

That would leave you at 6-10 so you would be around the 8-10 pick. I think your O could carry you to more wins and a lower pick but you won't get Bush in my opinion.

i'd say top ten, but this team is not bad enough to draft top five, come on

my philosophy...i like what jim bates has done with this defense, but we need some more firepower on defense...

defensive ends...i believe kampman only has a one year deal because he was only offered an RFA tender contract after last season...we still need that threat off of the other end to make our defensive ends (both of them) pass rushing threats), and have KGB not be triple teamed
Draft Options...NC State's Mario Williams, BC's Mathias Kiwanuka (a dwight freeny/javon kearse freak of nature type),

defensive tackles...our rotation of defensive tackles, i dont even know who is playing where on the d-line, but we don't have that destructive force, a Kris Jenkins type who just effects the team's offensive game plan
Draft Options...Oregon's Haloti Ngata, Texas' Rodrique Wright,

linebackers...thomas and barnett are keepers...roy manning, i have yet to see play, paris lennon is a jobber, nai'l diggs is about as dependable as my ford escort
Draft options...OSU's AJ Hawk, Iowa's Chad Greenway, FSU's Ernie Sims

cornerbacks...al harris isn't getting any younger, ahmad caroll--improved for a bit then well...joey thomas and mike hawkins still could improve, we're deep here but our pass defense still isn't that good
Draft options...VT's Jimmy Williams (CB/S), UT's Jason Allen, BC's Will Blackmon

safeties...nick collins is a keeper, marviel underwood i'd like to see start a game at free safety just to see what he brings...mark roman has improved from '04 but "our pass defense still isn't that good"
Draft options...VT's Jimmy Williams, USC's Darnell Bing

2nd round pick...offensive player, OSU's Santonio Holmes? My opinion is still draft a defensive blue-chip with our first round pick...and then draft for offensive depth, there are ALWAYS solid RB and WR talents on the board even through day 2 if only our scouts look hard enough

QUESTION...i know we made some draft day trades in april...did we pick up any extra picks for the '06 draft?? PLUS, i think this year we get compensatory picks for wahle and rivera

 

[ChuckSTG]

DE in the first
DT in the second (Gabe Watson)
RB in the 3rd. (?)

Feel solid about our safety postions in Underwood and collins (even roman now). I'd like to see what hawkins can do with more experience (has more hieght and about the same wieght and speed (4.28 40) as carroll). It seems the only problem with the offense is the running game cause even with our 4 & 5th string in Farve is still making it happen, so it's either the line or our running backs (hate to say it but maybe edgar Bennett is somewhat at fault here).

TT could do the option of trading down and accuring another 2nd/3rd round pick for our potential early pick as well. That might be a better idea even. If this coming draft has anything it has a lot of strong DE and LB's both of which we could use

 

[IPBprez]

I do not find fault with Bennett - he's pretty solid with Coaching those guys....

It's the repetitive - easy-to-figure-out.. play-calling.

If the TE set was working so well, yesterday - WHY STOP IT?

 

[Gopackgo82]

Re: Well at least we get Reggie Bush!

Sorry to say but I don't think you will get Bush. First off you guys are not that bad to garner a first three pick in next years draft. Bush will be gone by then. Second too many teams want him and if you don't have the first or second pick you will not get him. Third you may trade up but I don't think your org. is the type to do that.

My guess is that Houston takes him with the first pick and Oakland will take Linehart with the second pick. Oakland is not that bad of a team but the division they play in will mean that they will lose at least 7 games inside their own division. Two to the chargers, chiefs and one to Denver. I think you guys finish around the middle of the pack along with the Viking and Lions. Somewhere around 13 give or take a few in either direction so I will say ten to sixteen. Bush will be long gone, and who will be there by then, no way of telling. You know how people shoot up the draft boards and free fall.

Why would Houston take Reggie Bush when they have Domanick Davis? He's a 3rd year RB that ran for over 1,000 yards and had 13 TDs last year. The Texans need an O-Line more than anything else. If they get the 1st overall pick I think they would trade down to the team that wants Matt Leinart. David Carr is really talented, but it's pretty tough to play well when you get sacked every other play.

Let's face it. The Packers probably won't win more than 2 or 3 more games this year. They have no running game without Green and Davenport. We're down to Tony Fisher and ReShard Lee, who started the season at 3rd string and a couch in his mom's basement, respectively. They are now completely one dimensional on offense. They have to rely on the passing game now. And speaking of the passing game, who are our recievers? For the next few weeks we're without Ferguson, so we have Driver, Chatman, and Jamal Jones. That's it. Three recievers... Our #2 WR, #5 WR, and a guy who shouldn't even be on an active roster. The only reason the offense even moves the ball is Brett Favre. Without him, we wouldn't stand a chance against anyone. Our defense is improving, but they can't make up for the patchwork offense that will have trouble putting points on the board. The upcoming schedule doesn't help either. The next three games are against the Bengals, Steelers, and Falcons. They also play the Eagles, Seahawks, and Ravens with the usual NFC North opponents sprinkled in there. I think they'll have a shot at Reggie Bush, and I sure hope they take it because Ahman Green might never be the same again... If he even comes back next year. Remember Santana Dotson? He was a good defensive lineman until he tore his quadriceps tendon. He was never the same player again and just sort of faded away....

 

[kelbel505]

Good call on santana dotson forgot about him. Does anyone think they will resign either green or davenport. With all their injuries they would be forced not to have a huge contract and it might be worth having at least one in there. If we keep davenport and for some reason get Bush then we could have the "thunder and lightning" that USC had, hopefully one of them can stay healthy.

 

[GakkofNorway]

I really don't know what kind of GM Ted is. If he's Sherman like, he will probably hope for Green to start producing next year, and draft a mediocre RB in 3rd or 4th round, (We all know Green isn't going to produce in GB, he is done!)

If he's Wolf like, he will draft Reggie Bush if he has a shot at him.

Believe it or not, it might be our offense that needs the most improvement next year.

 

[Roadrunner]

Does anyone out there think that there are any other good RB prospects out there, maybe someone without the big name (and undoubtedly big $) of Bush? And who might be available a bit longer (say the middle of the 1st round) than Bush?

 

[CaliforniaCheez]

Keep trading down. The Packers need at least 10 picks to have 7 make the team. There is no 6th round. There are many needs to fill.

 

[kelbel505]

I bet if we end up with a top-10 pick TT will trade that for a later 1st round and another 2nd/3rd round pick. There is going (and always) a lot of talent in the second round. Expect the packers will use the 1st for defense and the 2nd/3rd round picks for a running back (White??). Pick up the Bruiser White now and Calhoun next year. We'll have the new Dunn/Duckett combo

 

[digsthepack]

I envision TT trading down for extra picks and/or player(s). No matter what, the first pick must be used on either the DL, inside or out, or on LBs AJ Hawk or Chad Greenway. We need dynamic players on defense, we have some on offense but they are injured.

The bottom line is that the future (post #4) is nearing, and the team must be built with a bad **** defense first, and then develop the offense around that. Reggie Bush should not enter the equation...if you want a back, Lendale White looks more NFL ready with his big body, good speed and aggressive hitting style. I like the idea of Calhoun the following year...reminds me a lot of James Brooks, formerly of the Bengals and Chargers.