The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Schultz]

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I will have you know that JJan averaged 12.5 yards per touch on offense with over 55% resulting in 1st downs and over 10% in TDs as well as averaging 24.7 as a kick-off returner. He also had 0 fumbles. Oh, and how quickly we forget possibly the greatest pre-season TD catch in GB history. Against the Giants if memory serves.

 

[AmishMafia]

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Receivers. Defense.

Let's get back to Love love.

Former GM says he is taking Jordan Love if he could take one player in the NFL whose name doesn't rhyme with McCombs.

 

[OldSchool101]

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Receivers. Defense.

Let's get back to Love love.

Former GM says he is taking Jordan Love if he could take one player in the NFL whose name doesn't rhyme with McCombs.

actually the title of the thread is “Jordan Love Era Begins”.
Now conversing about the Defense, ST or Offense under That Jordan Love Era is not a foul ball as long as we are comparing it to THIS era in some capacity. Your Honor, J Hafley is part of Era and the only thing we have is projection (because of its newness) Thank You your Supreme Potentatency
LONG LIVE THE KING!

 

[tynimiller]

FTR I personally feel it very misguided to lay the blame of not reaching a super bowl or reaching it, winning or not winning a game.....at the foot of any specific person, department or part. Responsibility levels are different for sure but lots of pieces to the success or failure it is never this simple.

 

[OldSchool101]

FTR I personally feel it very misguided to lay the blame of not reaching a super bowl or reaching it, winning or not winning a game.....at the foot of any specific person, department or part. Responsibility levels are different for sure but lots of pieces to the success or failure it is never this simple.

While that might be true. You can’t let a DC go 7 consecutive years never cracking the Top 10 in scoring imo.

I can agree it’s a team sport. I don’t agree in not having conversations of laying blame when it’s justified. It’s how we learn and adjust. Not all discipline is for accusatory or condemning purposes.

 

[tynimiller]

While that might be true. You can’t let a DC go 7 consecutive years never cracking the Top 10 in scoring imo.

I can agree it’s a team sport. I don’t agree in not having conversations of laying blame when it’s justified. It’s how we learn and adjust. Not all discipline is for accusatory or condemning purposes.

Never would say otherwise, hence the responsibility part.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

FTR I personally feel it very misguided to lay the blame of not reaching a super bowl or reaching it, winning or not winning a game.....at the foot of any specific person, department or part. Responsibility levels are different for sure but lots of pieces to the success or failure it is never this simple.

Ok, Ok, I will stop blaming you!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

FTR I personally feel it very misguided to lay the blame of not reaching a super bowl or reaching it, winning or not winning a game.....at the foot of any specific person, department or part. Responsibility levels are different for sure but lots of pieces to the success or failure it is never this simple.

On a serious note, I agree with you, a good team is good at self reflecting, and makes good decisions on those pieces of the puzzle that just don't fit. Sometimes that might be replacing just 1 or maybe several pieces, but often it involves changes that we as fans might not see.

When talking about responsibility of losses and who to "blame", I always think of that NFCCG in Seattle. All one has to do is look at the last 5+ minutes of the game and "blame" can be laid squarely at the feet of so many different players and coaches.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

On a serious note, I agree with you, a good team is good at self reflecting, and makes good decisions on those pieces of the puzzle that just don't fit. Sometimes that might be replacing just 1 or maybe several pieces, but often it involves changes that we as fans might not see.

When talking about responsibility of losses and who to "blame", I always think of that NFCCG in Seattle. All one has to do is look at the last 5+ minutes of the game and "blame" can be laid squarely at the feet of so many different players and coaches.

That game is a perfect example. Why only look at the last five minutes? Why not look at the coach's cowardice from the two-and-three-yard line on two separate drives? You convert one of those and the last five minutes probably doesn't matter anymore. Given that MM was coaching scared, then the last five minutes was chock-full of moments where different players could have changed the outcome of that game and failed to do so. I don't believe in blaming one person for any loss (unless it's the QB throwing 5+ INTs) but I certainly believe that any good organization needs to apportion blame appropriately.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That game is a perfect example. Why only look at the last five minutes? Why not look at the coach's cowardice from the two-and-three-yard line on two separate drives? You convert one of those and the last five minutes probably doesn't matter anymore. Given that MM was coaching scared, then the last five minutes was chock-full of moments where different players could have changed the outcome of that game and failed to do so. I don't believe in blaming one person for any loss (unless it's the QB throwing 5+ INTs) but I certainly believe that any good organization needs to apportion blame appropriately.

I think a coaches "strategy" can be questioned anytime a game is lost. Notice it is rarely questioned after a win? Guessing that a coach, I mean a good one, always looks at the things that they did right and the things they did wrong and adjusts. No doubt McCarthy and his staff made mistakes in that NFCCG, but I only mentioned the last 5+ minutes of the game because as you said it was:

chock-full of moments where different players could have changed the outcome of that game and failed to do so

 

[mradtke66]

You convert one of those and the last five minutes probably doesn't matter anymore.

While true, it presumes that one of those goal to go attempts is successfully converted.

I'll be annoyed with how that game ended up, but gimpy Rodgers means the coach needed to adjust his play calling--the running threat of 2014 Rodgers helped the offense go. For most of the game, the team did its job. Collectively, they faltered in the second half and got progressively worse as the minutes ticked away.

 

[OldSchool101]

While true, it presumes that one of those goal to go attempts is successfully converted.

I'll be annoyed with how that game ended up, but gimpy Rodgers means the coach needed to adjust his play calling--the running threat of 2014 Rodgers helped the offense go. For most of the game, the team did its job. Collectively, they faltered in the second half and got progressively worse as the minutes ticked away.

Yes. Even good Coaches make mistakes. For instance MLF getting down inside the 8 yard line with 4 tries to get a TD. I think most HC’s across the league would go for it on 4th and anything inside the <3 or <4 yard line for a TD if down 8 pts with 2:30 left in regulation and ALL your Timeouts. . We had been running well all day and we couldn’t get 5+ yards in 3 tries? The Sideline also stops the clock so you can also play that sideline if you need to. You can still mix in a pass and run as there was plenty of time here. Run the ball and get out of bounds and try to get a couple yards on 1st down. Start 2nd and goal from the 5 or 6 yard line with 3-tries for the Tie and 3 timeouts. Make the Bucs start from their own 1 yard line before giving Brady space to run his Offense. We had potentially TWO possessions to use ALL 4 Downs to gain 8 points and totally stunk it up ignoring Marshawn Lynch-Pete Carrol style.
Can’t believe we willfully handed Tom Brady the ball back in space needing to convert a 1st to eliminate us, that’s the last guy you want with the ball unless you go 4 downs there and back them up to their paint. I’d be surprised if Dillon didn’t get 5 yards in 2 tries there. Plus we had the 2-minute + 3 Timeouts. You only throw it 3 times if you’re trying to save time (such as down 2 scores) we had 4 timeouts if needed… use one.

I really hope under the Love/MLF era, that we don’t get complacent in that situation. Go for the Win what’s with kicking a FG to be still down a TD and relinquishing momentum? Weird. Keep your foot on the gas and go down swinging and taking victims with you.

 

[mradtke66]

Yes. Even good Coaches make mistakes. For instance MLF getting down inside the 8 yard line with 4 tries to get a TD. I think most HC’s across the league would go for it on 4th and anything inside the <3 or <4 yard line for a TD if down 8 pts with 2:30 left in regulation and ALL your Timeouts. . We had been running well all day and we couldn’t get 5+ yards in 3 tries? The Sideline also stops the clock so you can also play that sideline if you need to. You can still mix in a pass and run as there was plenty of time here. Run the ball and get out of bounds and try to get a couple yards on 1st down. Start 2nd and goal from the 5 or 6 yard line with 3-tries for the Tie and 3 timeouts. Make the Bucs start from their own 1 yard line before giving Brady space to run his Offense. We had potentially TWO possessions to use ALL 4 Downs to gain 8 points and totally stunk it up ignoring Marshawn Lynch-Pete Carrol style.
Can’t believe we willfully handed Tom Brady the ball back in space needing to convert a 1st to eliminate us, that’s the last guy you want with the ball unless you go 4 downs there and back them up to their paint. I’d be surprised if Dillon didn’t get 5 yards in 2 tries there. Plus we had the 2-minute + 3 Timeouts. You only throw it 3 times if you’re trying to save time (such as down 2 scores) we had 4 timeouts if needed… use one.

I really hope under the Love/MLF era, that we don’t get complacent in that situation. Go for the Win what’s with kicking a FG to be still down a TD and relinquishing momentum? Weird. Keep your foot on the gas and go down swinging and taking victims with you.

Wrong year. I was responding to talk of 2014 vs. the Seahawks. Quite confident that was the year because MM was referenced.

Now vs. the Bucs, yes, I think the approach could have been better at the goal line at the end there.

As far as the Pete Carrol pass call on the goal line, I will defend that decision. You can't look at outcome to determine if the decision was a good call. It's the inverse, but if you're playing blackjack and you hit twice on 19, but snag two aces, that doesn't make it a smart call. Getting TO the snap, Carrol got caught. BB knew their tendencies, didn't panic, and had a perfect plan to deal with the situation.

 

[gopkrs]

Wrong year. I was responding to talk of 2014 vs. the Seahawks. Quite confident that was the year because MM was referenced.

Now vs. the Bucs, yes, I think the approach could have been better at the goal line at the end there.

As far as the Pete Carrol pass call on the goal line, I will defend that decision. You can't look at outcome to determine if the decision was a good call. It's the inverse, but if you're playing blackjack and you hit twice on 19, but snag two aces, that doesn't make it a smart call. Getting TO the snap, Carrol got caught. BB knew their tendencies, didn't panic, and had a perfect plan to deal with the situation.

If he had handed the ball off to Lynch...game over. He had been running up and down the field. Totally a weird and bad call.

 

[Voyageur]

If he had handed the ball off to Lynch...game over. He had been running up and down the field. Totally a weird and bad call.

But, if it worked, he would have been called a genius. No matter what happens, coaches are the ones who end up on the losing ends of decisions that don't work.

 

[gopkrs]

But, if it worked, he would have been called a genius. No matter what happens, coaches are the ones who end up on the losing ends of decisions that don't work.

I wouldn't have called him a genius. Anything but handing off to Lynch at the time was absurd.

 

[Voyageur]

I wouldn't have called him a genius. Anything but handing off to Lynch at the time was absurd.

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I'm saying that if it works, he's called a genius by most people. Had he handed off to Lynch, and he fumbled, he would be roasted for that as well. In all honesty, I think he had to do what he felt was best, based on how the game was being played. I'm not going to second guess it. I wasn't in his shoes.

 

[mradtke66]

If he had handed the ball off to Lynch...game over. He had been running up and down the field. Totally a weird and bad call.

Ah, Lynch is, historically, a bad goal-to-go running back.

Similarly, other the great playcall and execution by NE, passing in that situation was absurdly safe.

 

[PackerDNA]

Ah, Lynch is, historically, a bad goal-to-go running back.

Similarly, other the great playcall and execution by NE, passing in that situation was absurdly safe.

I remember reading something at the time to the effects that that season, on 3rd or 4th down with a yard or less to go, the Seahawks were one for eight handing off to Lynch.

 

[OldSchool101]

If he had handed the ball off to Lynch...game over. He had been running up and down the field. Totally a weird and bad call.

Exactly. Thats why I referenced our Tampa NFC game. Similar situation. Dillon had recently run over 2 of their iLB’s up the middle for a nice gain and including Devin White got steamrolled on one for 9 yards up the gut. Then two more for 4 yards each. I’m not sure why you avoid your 235 or 245lb RB near goal line if they are having success. You're talking an extra try there IF we pick up 5+ yards on 3 tries you essentially get a bonus try. It’s highly likely lynch puts that game away also. Just my opinion
Listen I understand analytics. But sometimes you have to use human intercession based on game flow and clock and Timeouts and who’s having success or trouble in the ground or passing game. Dillon had just run for 4,9 and 3 yards and we ignored him from our 8 yard line in 4-down territory with 2:28 and 4 timeouts. Plus let’s say we score on 1st and goal from the 8. Then what? Give the ball back to Brady with 2 minutes in 4-down territory needing a FG to win? Not too smart.
Our last two consecutive 4th quarter drives?? Sack, Incomplete, Incomplete, punt, incomplete incomplete incomplete FG for the loss. I don’t think the passing game was red hot there.
As far as Lynch? 70% chance he scores from the 1. I’d take those odds

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The toughest yards in football are the last 5 or so for a TD. The 11 players on defense are much closer to the LOS, which makes it much harder to run. What I hate seeing our offense doing is trying to run the ball straight up the middle in that situation. Get creative, spread the formation out (spreads the defense out too), do a lot of pre-snap movement and make the defense totally have to rely on guessing where the ball might go.

In Jordan Love, MLF has a much more mobile QB than he ever had with Rodgers. I hope to see some offense this year that involves designed RPO, take advantage of Jordans legs while he still has them.

 

[mradtke66]

As far as Lynch? 70% chance he scores from the 1. I’d take those odds

Where are you getting the 70% number? I remember seeing the same (or similar) as above. Lynch 3rd/4th and short had a 1/8 success rate. 12.5% is a lot different than 70%.

And with the time remaining, it was effectively 3rd down.

To be clear—I think throwing was the right call on that down once they lined up. It gave them three chances at the end zone and the most flexibility on the second and third attempt. Carrol tried to force BB into taking a timeout and got stuck “having to” throw on 1st down to get his three cracks.

 

[OldSchool101]

Where are you getting the 70% number? I remember seeing the same (or similar) as above. Lynch 3rd/4th and short had a 1/8 success rate. 12.5% is a lot different than 70%.

And with the time remaining, it was effectively 3rd down.

To be clear—I think throwing was the right call on that down once they lined up. It gave them three chances at the end zone and the most flexibility on the second and third attempt. Carrol tried to force BB into taking a timeout and got stuck “having to” throw on 1st down to get his three cracks.

I’m not sure who’s guessing Seattle had a 12.5% chance to score? Marshawn’s weight to Power alone creates a momentum to Win against a LB or DB if he makes the 1.5-2 yardline. Its a game of 6 on 6 on from the Center (5 D players are eliminated from this play that are to the right of the Center. A very quick pitch left to Marshawn, which Russel is good at like Rodgers.. and let him find the left Pylon (gives him a chance to use the Sideline to get a free Timeout if he doesn’t find a cut lane) imo? Worst case he’s getting caught around the 2 and that’s probable if someone makes a huge play and trips Marshawn. If not I think he scores on the first try.

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Also Seattle had 3 tries with a 1/2 minute and a Timeout, plus the Sideline is a free Clock stop. They ain’t kicking a FG here. It’s 4-Down and it’s 2nd Down so that analyst expert you are following doesn’t even know the Down?

 

[mradtke66]

I’m not sure who’s guessing Seattle had a 12.5% chance to score? Marshawn’s weight to Power alone creates a momentum to Win against a LB or DB if he makes the 1.5-2 yardline. Its a game of 6 on 6 on from the Center (5 D players are eliminated from this play that are to the right of the Center. A very quick pitch left to Marshawn, which Russel is good at like Rodgers.. and let him find the left Pylon (gives him a chance to use the Sideline to get a free Timeout if he doesn’t find a cut lane) imo? Worst case he’s getting caught around the 2 and that’s probable if someone makes a huge play and trips Marshawn. If not I think he scores on the first try.

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Also Seattle had 3 tries with a 1/2 minute and a Timeout, plus the Sideline is a free Clock stop. They ain’t kicking a FG here. It’s 4-Down and it’s 2nd Down so that analyst expert you are following doesn’t even know the Down?

Again, historically, Lynch hasn’t been a 1 yard successful back. For as big as he is/was, he made his hay getting to the second level and punishing LBs and safeties, not pushing piles. Think similarly to Jones vs Dillon. Dillon is bigger, it Jones was better at the tough single yard because (presumably ) he could get small and slip through cracks.

As far as the particular situation, throwing was the safest choice that gave Seattle the most options. I believe there was a stat that throwing from the 1 that year had something absurd 30 or 40 TDs and zero picks until that fateful play.

And by throwing here, they keep the TO for the last two downs, which lets them at least threaten run or pass. If they run and don’t make it, they burn the TO and they “have” to throw the last 2 downs.

Where Seattle goofed was this particular play call. The Pats obviously knew the play and had practiced against, recognized it and adjust on the fly to shut down the rub. And BB had the perfect personnel package to stop this play 3CB AND and the run undesirable with a goal line front. Carol got cute by not taking an early timeout and presumed BB would panic and take the TO. When that didn’t happen, he played himself.

And then lost snap. Wilson threw a terrible ball and was too locked in to his read. Had he realized the rub got shutdown with excellent defense, he throws it out of the end zone and they love to play the next down.

 

[gopkrs]

Lynch had been breaking tackles on every play in that drive. I could not believe they didn't give it to him.